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Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by hmdphantom
That's something that is very lacking in all of these rebellions and protests, is real popular leaders supported by the people.
Even in Iran where there are some parties who would like to be in power, I don't think any one of the three main ones enjoys a true majority.
They are all united when it comes to who they would not like in power, but far from united over who they do want in power.
Our own much longer revolution had a lot of clear cut and identifiable leaders.
Without some kind of plan its hard to imagine not ending up with chaos or the people with the most guns and willingness to use them in power.
Thanks for sharing.
One of the things that has kind of got me perplexed about a number of posters to the thread, is that they miss a couple of key elements in the thread, 1. the Guerilla Information War, (the very nature of it) and 2. the HB Gary Software that creates personas and sock puppet armies. It's not really that they are missing it but it's almost like they are taking a rather jaded some what psuedo intellectual position of "So what, this is nothing new". The HB Gary software in particular is something I would think would cause most people who really understood it's ramifications extreme outrage.
Software agent - In computer science, a software agent is a piece of software that acts for a user or other program in a relationship of agency, which derives from the Latin agere (to do): an agreement to act on one's behalf. Such "action on behalf of" implies the authority to decide which (and if) action is appropriate. The idea is that agents are not strictly invoked for a task, but activate themselves. Related and derived concepts include Intelligent agents (in particular exhibiting some aspect of Artificial Intelligence, such as learning and reasoning), autonomous agents (capable of modifying the way in which they achieve their objectives), distributed agents (being executed on physically distinct computers), multi-agent systems (distributed agents that do not have the capabilities to achieve an objective alone and thus must communicate), and mobile agents (agents that can relocate their execution onto different processors).
Daemon (computer software) - The word daemon is an alternative spelling of demon, and is pronounced /ˈdiːmən/ DEE-mən. In the context of computer software, the original pronunciation /ˈdiːmən/ has drifted to /ˈdeɪmən/ DAY-mən for some speakers. Many people equate the word "daemon" with the word "demon", implying some kind of satanic connection between computers and the underworld. This is an egregious misunderstanding. "Daemon" is actually a much older form of "demon"; daemons have no particular bias towards good or evil, but rather serve to help define a person's character or personality. The ancient Greeks' concept of a "personal daemon" was similar to the modern concept of a "guardian angel" — eudaemonia is the state of being helped or protected by a kindly spirit.
Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler
I think that next invasion is going to happen very by US G. as you all Americans are sitting there and watching just more human beings will be screaming and dying in Libya .
then I write this threat ' why are you Americans so silent ' again . and some people will come and answer me ' it is winter . what do you want us to do ? ' . then there will be more threads about ' war in Libya ' and every body comes and says ' this should not continue - this is wrong '.
the history is just repeating it self.
remember that god judges by justice not by policy.edit on 27/2/11 by hmdphantom because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by FlyInTheOintment
After reading a couple of pages, my question is this:
How will the ATS staff/ site ownership respond to this very real threat? Do they not think the software is sophisticated enough to spawn some incredibly talented sock puppets on ATS? I've seen a massive increase in the 'stars and support' for the 'mainstream opinion' in recent months.
What of the static IP mimicking? Could some of the mods/ long-term members be sock puppets? What protocol is in place to ensure that the moderators are in fact real people? PLEASE NOTE - I am not actually accusing anyone of anything, I am simply trying to lend support to the somewhat guarded suggestion in the OP (understandingly guarded, considering Proto's position on ATS as a respected 'multi-layered appeal' contributer), raising awareness that these are now (if not before) very real possibilities that ATS and its membership must guard against.
Whenever a group of 'skeptics' gang up against other members (being subtle and careful so as to abide by the t'c and c's, though still managing to be obnoxious and debasing) - anyone who calls out the behaviour as 'disinfo' or gang harassment tends to get their post removed and a points penalty imposed. Reporting the post more often than not results in nothing happening, especially as some of the 'people' most guilty of such behaviour are 'long-time members and respected skeptics'...
I worry for the alternative voices when there is obviously so much favour doled out upon those who advocate the government's praise or the mainstream scientific consensus - is it really a consensus?
That 'consensus' often flies in the face of overwhelming evidence for an alternative... We must use the tools at our disposal to make sure that as often as possible, the real opinions are being propagated through cyberspace... STAR people that you agree with, or that have made a very good and valid point! Too often, someone will respond favourably to a post - but don't star the post which they've taken the trouble to respond to!
Use the tools at your disposal. Don't just star the OP, make sure that valid opinions and posts you wholeheartedly agree with receive stars too. Particularly if there is a gang of pseudoskeptics trolling the thread and throwing stars around amongst themselves!!!
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Dear Galadofwar, you sort of made an implication that war is simply embedded in society. Well, in a way perhaps, as it seems there have been wars in all of known history.
The book of Enoch tells us that the angels who fell to earth and cohabitated with the daughters of men actually taught mankind the art of war. I find that quite interesting. I realize that many here do not take the bible seriously, but whether one sees it as a literal thing, or as an allegory, will there be an end to all the wars finally and a return to the original intent and purity of the Garden of Eden? Or further descent into more wars and more brutal inhumanity? Do we have a choice? I think individually we all make our own choice.
He who knows others is wise; He who know himself is enlightened. Lao-Tzu
Man stands in his own shadow and wonders why it's dark. Zen Proverb
The result is as usual no one knows for sure, and because no consensus is reached critical mass doesn’t happen and nothing changes.
When you had tribes fighting over territory there was a "Winning side" and the cost of war was offset by the acquisition of new land and resources. This was true up to and including the expansion of the British Empire
This is not true today. Look at the Debt the USA is in from fighting WWI, WWII, Vietnam and all the rest of the wars in the last century.
The question to ask is WHO WINS THE "WAR"
The answer is the bankers! In a nutshell the bankers lend governments worthless fiat currency and collect wealth, that is your labor. in the form of taxes and inflation.
Wars are instigated by the bankers for their advantage and not for the advantage of nations or people.
Once people around the world see this truth, perhaps they will be a lot more reluctant to spill the blood of themselves, their sons, friends and relatives just to fatten the pockets of the bankers.
If you have any doubts that the US government would allow its own people to be killed, to get into wars advantageous for bankers, here are the historical facts showing that they have done so before.
USS Enterprise on its way to Libya as America and Britain ramp up threats to enforce no-fly zone above Gaddafi By Daily Mail Reporter Last updated at 2:22 AM on 1st March 2011