Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

Originally posted by Danbones
as you can see from the member list: the third world doesn't have the internet to the extent that the west has
...and google says they can pridict what masses will do

That sounds contradicting in a way. If the Internet is used to start world war III and if most of the revolutions are erupting in the middle east and other countries around the world (not sure if they are considered third world) and if the member list on ATS is mostly westerners (and westerners on other websites and internet users in general) then how is the internet becoming a tool for them? I am assuming that most people read blogs and postings on a membership based website.

Google can only predict what the masses will 'CLICK' since there are only finite multiple choices to view as a internet user. Google cannot predict how the internet users will Behave or Think in real. There is a big difference in stereotyping and concluding a person's behaviour pattern based on what they 'CLICK'.

reply to post by Obinhi

But to say that dictators are being deposed is the first steps on world war three is a strech. One of my favorite saying is "Sometimes a banana is just a banana, there is no meaning or plot,

Or you can get off your donkey, do some research and connect the dots so you can SEE the plot.

Heck I have been EXPECTING this for a couple of years!

I outline it in this post back on page 12. and give more information in this post

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You wouldn't be an i-bot now would you?

Your posts are what I would expect from such a program.

Did Reagan like banking elites? He certainly handed them the keys to the kingdom.

reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

Nice find on the Rockefellers, who funded Margaret Sanger's depopulation clinic....

Thanks

I stumbled across it purely by mistake when looking for something else. I do not even know if I book marked it.


What is also real interesting is the various Rockefeller foundations fund Greenpeace, Sierra Club and the World Wild Life Fund. All are against Nuclear or were at one time

EDIT:

In more poking around I found the micro Nuclear reactors are about the size of a garden shed, maintenance free, last 30 - 40 years before refueling. The cost per household??? $2500 in investment!!!

I spend more than that in SIX MONTHS!!!! You want to make the US competitive, you want electric cars for commuting, you want CLEAN CHEAP power....

And the B@$**Ds have us using food on bio-fuel, killing birds with Windmills and covering the deserts with expensive CHINESE MADE solar cells. .

Originally posted by Obinhi
I read the OP, and agree with the spirt of the arguement. But to say that dictators are being deposed is the first steps on world war three is a strech. One of my favorite saying is "Sometimes a banana is just a banana, there is no meaning or plot, its just there, yellow, curved slightly, and delicious." Sometimes a revolution is just a revolution, we are able to look back and see them for as long as people have been tired of being oppressed by one jerk and then they move to another. On may argue that the internet is a wall against revolution. I have heard a few reports about the middle east wave of revolt that state the final straw so to speak was internet sites being blocked. Having lost the medium in which to vent the people took to the streets. So it could be argued that if you allow people to bitch and moan online they will be less likely to take real action and over throw the government. Welcome to the Brave New World folks.

I agree. That is what I am leaning towards as well that the Internet is used and blamed by the politicians around the world. But in reality it is the people who have become more knowledgible about the history and political system of their own country (no..google has nothing to do with who posts the article). There are countless websites originating from the troubled country where a person is only making the masses aware of the reality. Though at times the West takes the credit for it by indicating that it was Google or CIA or others used the website as a tool by instigating and resurrecting a website from within a country. I think the Internet if not anything has enlightened the people of the world to a much much greater extent be it so called third world or first world. If the internet was being used as a tool to brainwash the masses, then we wouldn't be here making comments and express opinions and view points about a particular issue. This is exactly where the West has been wrong about so many countries thinking that most of the people are Dumb on the other side. If not anything, they're just as good or bad anywhere in their intellectuality and capabilities. It is the political system that controls their abilities and possibilities.

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Oh yes Proto, I was getting an intense attack on some positions I made on another thread, and I couldn't help wondering. It seemed like an organized attack actually. I have heard that the gov wants to develop the software to create fake Internet IDs on social networking interfaces, and I do not doubt that this is an integral part of their agenda to isolate and discredit people who have strong positions and ideas.

What makes you think they cannot do it without a fake Internet ID now?

I"ll be reading but internet is certainly used for harmful motives and concerning wwIII I am not sure , you know they always mix a bit of truth in their lies to confuse you.

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Yes, Dan, Enoch was left out, but now appears in the apocrypha in some versions. I have argued with Catholics and others about the importance of Enoch, and of Origen, who was anathematized for his work. Origen believed in the transmigration of the soul, which most modern Christians seem to eschew. I sometimes wonder if I was a student of Origen...or studied his material in past life.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by truthseeker1984

 

What would it take for the same things to happen in the U.S. or any other Western Nation? I can tell you that after a few missed meals due to the price of food, people would start getting angry and begin looking for ways to feed themselves and their families.

As far as I can tell those missed meals are planned for 2012 - 2013 here in the USA. Please read the short articles I linked to and you will see what I mean.

Since WTO was ratified in 1995, all new jobs come from small business. More than 50% of US work force is now employed by small business and a bad economy is much tougher on a small business tha a large one. Ugly Side Effect of New 1099 Law:

FOOD and American Farmers:
Why the Tesser Amendment does not help small farmers

A Lawyer explains How Commerce Clause can be used to regulate home gardens

General analysis of Food Safety Modernization Act

Thanks for the links CV! I'll make sure to check them out. I've been loosely following this law for a bit now, and it concerns me, mostly because I do keep a small garden in my back yard for tomatoes and green beans.


Peace be with you.

-truthseeker

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Originally posted by romanmel

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by CIGGSofWAR

 

I am a little skeptical about Off World Alien involvement, in part because I have yet to meet (for sure) a person from another world.

I have resolved to attempt to make contact though and to see what I can see, and if they do exist to engage them in a substantial discussion on the future of the planet....

Careful Pro Trav. One should be sure aliens do not view us as a yummy lunch.

Steven Hawking has said as much.

Aliens of higher intellect may view us as pesky ants and I remember as a child frying ants with a well aimed sunbeam through a magnifying glass.

You know, I think the aliens have a lot more to fear from me, than I do from them.

I am telling you right now, if they have any lunch money on them it's mine!

I was actually debating to post so much, so I said screw it see what happens, Contolling information WW3 has out break Were going to be feed information from one point of view, thats the main problem today nobody is allow to express themselves. Total control of information soon the internet will be so simular to mass media, nobody will really listen to it, People will back to the basics of word of mouth, People are saying there will be no aliens involved in WW3 how do you know that? I have never seen seen any aliens either I might have I seen UFO's that was another weather ballon

But what I am seeing is a whole lot information that makes no sense, and this 2011? this not 1975 here or 1945
We have information from government sourses that says hell yes there is UFO's, yet at the time, there all weather ballons. look at the weather ballons being chased by jet fighters. If this been happening all along what's going to happen in WW3 If they do decide to attack how are going to know the real truth.

Weather there my enemy or your enemy, If there is an up rising in the states Canada is sent down there to assist who do I shoot civilians or the government, People say ooohh that never happen then why is there agreements for something that never happens, thats like UFO collision insurance on your house thats never going happen. Or is it going to happen?

What I am saying had the truth surfaced years ago the problem may have nerver occured and our lives would be allot richer. Your being supressed of intellectual information, in all aspects of your life. including your family

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I do not doubt that this is an integral part of their agenda to isolate and discredit people who have strong positions and ideas.

Very much so.

A group led by Linn Cohen-Cole tried to derail the Ag Cartels Food Modernization Act that will kill independent farming.

This was the response:

Food & Water Watch also has a great list of what HR 875 DOES and DOES ... is obviously much unfounded hype & hysteria surrounding HR 875.

The list by Food & Water Watch is HERE

....MYTH: H.R. 875 was written by Monsanto and other large agribusiness companies because Stan Greenberg, Rep. DeLauro’s husband, is a consultant for Monsanto.

FACT: Monsanto and other large agribusiness companies did not write or express support for H.R. 875. Mr. Greenberg had no involvement in the drafting of the bill. Greenberg, Quinlan Rosner does no lobbying on any issue and its work is wholly independent. Mr. Greenberg never worked for Monsanto, and has not conducted surveys for Monsanto in the past decade. The bill is supported by several Members of Congress who have strong progressive records on issues involving farmers markets, organic farming, and locally-grown foods. Also, H.R. 875 is the only food safety legislation that has been supported by all the major consumer and food safety groups:
– Center for Foodborne Illness Research & Prevention
– Center for Science in the Public Interest
– Consumer Federation of America
– Consumers Union
– Food & Water Watch
– The Pew Charitable Trusts
– Safe Tables Our Priority
– Trust for America’s Health
.
.
.

A Monsanto VP admitted to me that Stan Greenburg DID work for Monsanto as a Consultant in the UK.

Rebuttal by a lawyer: www.examiner.com...

Rebuttal by Linn Cohen-Cole: www.opednews.com...


I could not understand WHY Organic Consumers Assoc and Food and Water Watch were in favor of this bill. Until I did some digging: Maude Barlow a “no dog in this fight” Canadian, is a director of both. She has been handsomely rewarded for selling the US consumer out with an appointment as New Senior Advisor to the UN president on October 21, 2008.

Organic Consumers Association received $57,176.00 2000 – 2005 Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors

EXAMPLES OF DIS-INFO CAMPAIGN

Linn Cohen-Cole a Disinfo specialist

Linn Cohen-Cole, who's been pushing HR 875 hysteria all over The Internets,

Hinchey (D-NY): Stopping the Internet Hysteria Over H.R. 875

H.R. 875: Hold the hysteria!

FactCheck.org: Would a new bill in Congress make my backyard garden illegal?

HR 875: Stop the Hysteria: Before you lose any more sleep over the fear ...

reply to post by truthseeker1984

Thanks for the links CV! I'll make sure to check them out. I've been loosely following this law for a bit now, and it concerns me, mostly because I do keep a small garden in my back yard for tomatoes and green beans.

I have been trying to wake people up about this law but I am afraid they will continue to be willfully blind until a nosy neighbor turns them in and the government Gestapo comes knocking on the door.

I have been subjected to the nosy neighbor/ jealous competitor call the cops syndrome on several occasions. It is the main reason I moved from MA to NC.

This is a real life example of what has already occurred and the reason I am so concerned about gardens:

Today a state Ag inspector and two county officials show up and scare the bee-jesus out of me.

First they accuse me of selling products and milk, then explain that even "giving milk products away" is illegal in California. Now everything is pasteurized, but it is illegal to share milk products in any form! They explained it was even ILLEGAL to give it to my own children if they did not live under my roof!

I can't even take a lasagna dish to my grown sons home without risk of being fined, arrested and or jailed! This is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!" Donna, Aug 12, 2008. finance.groups.yahoo.com...

Donna is on one of the Yahoo groups I belong to.

Originally posted by allourep
Of course the answer is yes. I didnt even read the thread. The internet is the new TV. Its going to be used for propaganda. The internet is being used to project religion, new age beliefs, product advertising, etc ETC. Why is this thread on the home page?

I actually starred your post for understanding the basic concept, and I am responding to it, to address your question.

The thread is on the front page because I wanted it there.

Now I will give your next post a star if you can answer correctly how I got it there!

You might want to read the thread before you take a guess at that though!

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Well, I have to agree and disagree on many levels, which is something that always happens between us.

I do not think that the Internet is being used to start WWIII.

I do however see it as one of many battlefields where it was being fought.

Now, this is where and why I do not agree with certain celebrity "conspiracy theorists".

Say for instance, Alex Jones, or even David Icke, Julian Assange, and John Titor comes to mind.

Why do I say that and about those individuals in particular?

They try monopolizing upon the ignorance of mankind.

There has been and always has been an Information War ongoing for thousands of years.

Between every nation in the world.

This trumps any claim to WWIII.

Not to mention the Cold War would technically be called WWIII for sequential order after WWII.

Next the War on Terror, whether you believe in it, or not, it is happening in some regards.

That would technically be called WWIV.

But the daddy long legs of wars would be the Information War which has been going on for thousands of years.

This is or could be termed a Propaganda War between nations, religions, and educational institutions.

The World-Wide Web of Surveillance of Your Online/Offline Activities

...and...

Going To Your Public Library, Gathering Open Source Intelligence, and Surviving

Between all of the various different countries, religions, and educational institutions throughout the world, a fight has been ongoing, for that of the minds of a populace so large, indoctrination as well as recruiting into each fold of societal difference throughout the fabric of mankind, with every intention of controlling those same said people through many avenues of control mechanisms. This is something I first understood back as a teenager when reading the Bible, and see not only the aspect of religious propaganda through dogma but the aspect of the Art of War included within those book-ends I call blinders where people are converted into narrow-minded fools if they only seek out intelligence from Genesis to Revelations, and never bother to learn any other religious doctrines.

This is one of the only areas where I can say I respect Roman Catholicism.

They teach on many countries and religions.

Even if only as a means to lockdown their religion as the ruler over all.

But with each country, each religions, and the various educational institutions within each, there is an infinite amount of warfare going on through an information campaign, again which has been going for thousands of years.

And the battlefield is not only including the Internet now in this day of electronic information.

But that same battlefield is not only being fought for your minds but within them as well.

Each and every time you hear of some new information, whether from the newest best selling book, to the Mainstream Media, to Presidential or State Department speeches, or school campaigns in Texas to eradicate some aspect of history, it is a literal war campaign towards sucking you or someone close to you, or someone you may never meet into an indoctrination of some sort, to fight for, to fight against, or to blindly follow those leaders both self-appointed and or sought out by society in unison as a whole or through one of many dogmatic branches of societal brotherhoods.

There is so much more I can say as well.

From the invention of the Internet as a means to sidestep the 4th Amendment to the precursor called the ARPANET.

But I will leave some of that for another reply later.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas


I agree that the Information War has been going on well, pretty much since grunt, grunt, became Give me!

What's different today is the 'guerilla' part of the information war.

100 years ago you and I could not have so easily had our voices heard around the world. We would have needed publishers associated with the Powers that Be, and more or less been stifled, quashed or worse if the information we were sharing was detrimental to the Powers that Be.

Just like a Guerilla War is typically average ordinary people picking up a gun and hiding out in the mountains and trees waiting to set an ambush on some Goverment's troops, the Guerilla Information War is pretty much the same, average ordinary people taking to the Internet to broadcast their messages around the world.

To my knowledge this is knew and the closest thing the average person has ever had to this is graffiti on the walls of public buildings.

Yes the information war has gone on a long time, the people being able to counter against it with broadcast information of their own is very new.

Thanks for joining in my friend.

reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas

Well, I have to agree and disagree on many levels, which is something that always happens between us.

I do not think that the Internet is being used to start WWIII.

I do however see it as one of many battlefields where it was being fought....

As usual thank you for shedding light on the subject.

What you say about information is true.

From The Burning of the Library of Alexandria, the loss of the ancient world's single greatest archive of knowledge, to the night of May 10, 1933, when German University students burned books with "unGerman" ideas, to Pol Pot, who was know to kill people who wore glasses and/or had clean fingernails, there has been a war of ideas.

The last thing dictators want is a population who can actually think.

Why the heck else would William Schmidt, a statistics professor at Michigan State University, rank the USA at the bottom of the heap, outperforming only two countries, Cyprus and South Africa."

The last thing the "Shadow Government" wants are a people who can think and they have been Dumbing Down America for a century all the while feeding us a line of Bull such as No Child Left Behind

The true goal of US education is to turn out dumb little worker bees who do as they are told and can read just enough to follow easy instructions.

The internet as I have shown in several of my posts is just one more weapon in TPTB's arsenal.

The other point I think you were trying to make, is TPTB has not just sprung into being. Instead they are family dynasties. Some are added, others die out, but they think and plan in terms of decades and generations not days and years.

If you read Congressman McFadden's Speeches from the 1930's you can see how long lived and tenacious TPTB is. No wonder he was murdered!

Excellent thread S&F to you, The middle east has been a melting pot for years and with so many dictators all this unrest was bound to happen sooner or later, the worry is when will the spread of it stop, I do believe its possible the internet could have played some part in all this, I certainly hope it doesnt become worldwide. The scary thing about all this is the innocent kids could be playing shoot em up games live on the net, this could be used for live warfare in another country, just think of that !!! linked up to a satellite system beaming the signal straight to the weapons, wow it is now becoming a very scary world.

Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Alright guys, lets look at recent history and see if this is all a set-up as Proto is implying:

[color=cyan]Lets face it you do not get protests if the sheeple are fat and happy. It is only when jobs, food and money is scare that people go looking for a reason.

Here is the evidence of a carefully orchestrated set-up
Reagan - facilitated the Leveraged buyouts/Hostile takeovers of the 1980's that wiped out our successful industry by transferring the firms equity to Corporate Raiders and banks. Crippled the firms had to make major cut backs in wages and benefits . Most were dismantled and shipped over seas.

Clinton finished the job by ratifying the World Trade Organization and NAFTA, and smoothing China's entry into the WTO. This exported 20% of our manufacturing jobs in 14 years.

As if that was not enough Clinton also set up the housing bubble/burst.
After the Great Depression, several laws were put in place to prevent another depression. The 1933 and 1934 Security and Exchange laws, The McFadden Act of 1927, The Glass-Steagall Act or Banking Act of 1933. Also Bank Holding Company Act of 1956.

Clinton's laws Negating above: Riegle-Neal Interstate Banking and Branching Efficiency Act of 1994 and Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999

More pro-banking Clinton laws:
Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation Improvement Act of 1991:Allowed big banks to gobble up smaller banks more easily.

Housing and Community Development Act of 1992 and RTC Completion Act - Housing and business loans to minorities.

Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 200 - left CDSs unregulated and set up AIG bailout and Foreclosuregate.

Bush of course was responsible for the AIG bailout as well as the Patriot act and other pro- "Martial Law" stuff

Then there is Obama.
Obama's "loan modification program" enticed marginal mortgage holders into a trap. They were put on a "trial" modification, strung along for months with "lost paperwork" and then handed a whopping big bill and thirty days to pay or the banks would foreclose. Mortgages with one or more CDSs paid for by tax payers AIG bailout money rewarded the banks with payment in full AND the property guaranteeing the banks did not WANT TO REFINANCE!

I have already pointed out several times the change to the tax code for 1099's and the new food law are not going to help the economy in 2012. My post


Sure looks like there is a set-up with two Democratic and two Republican presidents helping it along.

You also have all the UN/ Elite Foundation funded/controlled NGOs that suck up and train naive young activists.

Again in the Farm Wars we were defeated by the propaganda put out by these "Well Respected" organizations like Organic Consumers Assoc. Food & Water Watch and the Consumers Union. I even called and talked to various smaller groups and was told point blank that I was an "Unknown" and therefore they would have to go with the opinion of Organic Consumers Assoc. since they trusted them. Actually doing the research for themselves was too much effort. No wonder bills are now hundreds if not thousands of pages long!

So again I have to agree with Proto. We are being SUCKERED!

All true and accurate from Reagan onwards .... Carter setup the hyper inflation in the late 70's that caused super high interest rates on 30-year bonds .. thus "creating" and "allowing" a guaranteed inflated income for whoever wanted the coupons! Foreign govts (and other big investors) that held those high interest coupons also had a good market for shorting the bonds themselves as rates went down! By the way, most of those bonds matured in the late 2000's! what a coincidence!


[color=Cyan]I think TPTB are using every trick in the book this time more than ever!

Here in the U.S. --- the "protesters" are not in dire straights this time!

very unusual -- as the "fat and happy" rarely do "get involved".

The internet is definitely pushing the U.S. issues !!!

they don't call it the "World Wide Web" for noth'in!

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As I understand it google has modeled people to an extent that they can predict what the masses will do
this is tied to the fact that they claimed to have a hand in starting the revolutions.

They are a government connected company using CIA satalite systems and software and of course they provide the input and filtering the Gov asks them to to the masses.
as they did/do in china.

the internet will serve the same uses as the papers and the movie halls did in the past.
it is just one tool in the arsenal

How can you trust anything on the internet now then? If they can create thousands or tens of thousands of false users then they can do much more. Plant disinformation anywhere. Is it even possible to sort the gold from the slag? I could even be one of those people that's spreading the disinformation. Its damn disheartening i tell you.