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Is the Internet Being Used (right now) to Start World War III?

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:18 AM
reply to post by kosmicjack

I agree with a good number of your comments and thinking in general.

I think people are generally unhappy the world over, and no matter where you live, you are bound to think the grass is greener somewhere else, and some neighbor has a prettier wife and nicer car too.

I think one of the mistakes many people make in regards to Governments is that they are businesses, often incorporated enterprises that function with a business plan and often goals.

So I like to think of it this way, I would like to start a business, should I just pick one at random, tap out my savings account and give it a go, even though I have never run one, taken any business courses, never managed anything of any signifigance?

Or should I do some real research, choose a good product, look for a good location, and study up on how to run a business and what's all involved.

My concern here is that people are acting prematurely, without a new system in mind, without the ability to set up a logistical support system to make that new system work.

I hate to break it to people but food doesn't magically appear on store shelves, your toilet does not flush by an act of God, and gasoline does not spurt out of the pumps because you ran over a rubber hose.

The logistics of running a state are enormous and what we see in Egypt is basically the military gauranteeing stability not to the citizens, but those magical grocers, bankers, and oil men, who make your urban life possible.

Who is going to end up in charge, the same people who are always really in charge, the people who control the resources who make urban life possible.

In short the people are revolting against MANAGEMENT, not OWNERSHIP.

For the record, yes I consider myself a Guerilla in the Information War.

Yes I fight against the Powers that Be and would like to see the system change away from the scarcity paradigm they control through controlling all the resources.

Oh I get the snide comments too, "Oh proto you are fighting some secret shadow government, is your tin foil hat to tight today" but I know deep down, nothing will change through rebelling against governments, because eventually who ever gets to the helm of government is going to have to deal with the people who control all the resources, otherwise well, don't look for much food on those shelves or gas in the pumps.

Revolutions are like the sugar pill your doctor gave you, the root word is revolve, so it's just cycling through the same bad process to the same bad outcome.

To me the key to the information war is exposing the shadow government, those very private, very influential individuals who operate across borders controlling over 90% of the world's resources in their totality.

That's who I am fighting against, and any business owner can tell you they can replace any manager.

That's all people are doing here, is replacing management, so when, if ever, do we go after the owners?

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:20 AM
Ben Kingsley in "Sneakers"

Need i say more !

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:25 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Great post, as always, Pro Trav...S&F

Your insights are truly amazing. I would like to comment on the subset Divide and Conquer

My thoughts are that this old concept "Divide and Conquer" is invaluable to TPTB and they use it over and over again to control the thought processes of people and groups. It is so easy to portray to people a problem with two options for solution. The people are so willing to accept the implication that they MUST choose only one or the other solutions that are prescribed by TPTB.

This is how we (as a person or group) are corralled into two groups. This is key to creating a "divide and conquer" situation. It is invaluable to TPTB in defining the TWO perimeters (and only those two perimeters) they wish you to consider. Usually, no matter which you choose the result will be what they desire to advance their agenda.

Very seldom do we find someone who will "think outside the box" and offer another solution. Contrarians are few and far between, but essential in today's world in order to seek and find truth. One need not be born a contrarian. It is very important for us all to "think outside the box". We should all strive to practice and develop this skill.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:33 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Yes it is they are trying to break up opec.

It is all being done with the help of facebook and google.

This is fact.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:34 AM
reply to post by romanmel

You raise a very interesting point regarding what is largely what Western thinking and philosophy is based on the Two Sided Coin of absolute polar opposites, you are either with us, or you are with them.

Seldom if ever is a third let alone fourth option or any kind of middle ground allowed.

As a result Hegelian principles are used by the Powers that Be to use the synergy of the conflict between the two polar opposites, to create a third outcome that they wanted to happen all along, without ever even declaring it or making it known.


"Rome offers you war or peace, it matters not to Rome which you decide"

It simply matters to Rome that you decide!

Life is a lot easier when you are the one running the game!

Thanks for posting my wise friend.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:35 AM

Originally posted by Rocky Black
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Yes it is they are trying to break up opec.

It is all being done with the help of facebook and google.

This is fact.

Well we can't have the nations who the oil belongs too controlling it now can we?

All I can say is I am glad I bought my bicycle a couple years ago and am not going to have to go looking for one when gas is 10.00 a gallon!

Thanks for posting.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:41 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Agreed. It's not thought out - it's spontaneous - and that's what makes it all so dangerous but complaceny and fence sitting don't accomplish much either. Change is born of necessity. However, you're absolutely right, if we're not careful and thoughtful, we'll just end up as slaves to new masters.

edit on 28/2/2011 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:43 AM
Having to watch Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee dress up for war is kind of a given isn't it? The crow that brings peace gets control. As you explained the media changes, but this same old play has been going on for over a millennium.

Maybe we should go hide in Tulgey Wood but how would we keep from stepping on the Mome Raths? You think doctors handwriting is bad, the standards they use for transparency these days are apparently unrecognizable.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:50 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Yes I believe it could lead to a form of global shift, for instance the United Nations stepping in as a 'humanitarian' organization to help people survive with rations, medical supplies, in the break down of local government.

The centralized world body would suddenly seem very credible and valid under such a scenario and could be what they are aiming for, everyone to become so disatisfied with localized and central authority that they look to global authority for the answers.

I think you have got it Proto!

That explains the "HOW" of the take over. As some one else pointed out HUNGRY PEOPLE RIOT!

By controlling the amount of food and the food prices as well as the economy (jobs) in each nation, the Powers That Be can cause a controlled collapse nation by nation.

The first step was to use World bank/IMF Structural Adjustment Policies and later the no tariff agreements of NAFTA and WTO to destroy each nations food soverignty. EU and USA grain subsidies along with the removal of US farmland from the "land bank" in 1996 completed the demise of national food production and diverted land use to export production under the multinational food cartels. (The land bank took productive US farmland out of production so over production was avoided.)

The second step of course was "de-industrializing the US" and Europe. The leveraged buyout feeding frenzy in the 1980's destroyed most of the US manufacturing companies. I am sure similar tactics were used in Europe. To finish up the job WTO and NAFTA were used to export the rest of the first world manufacturing to China and India and selected third world nations like Brazil and Mexico.

The third step was to cause a world economic collapse by creating and then collapsing the US housing bubble.

So what about the fourth step?

I have also posted about how starting in 2012, the USA is going to see much worse economic problems. Again TPTB can control this collapse by determining how heavily they use government bureaucrats.

There are 2.2 million farms listed by the USDA. If the USDA/FDA aggressively hunts down and harasses farmers with their combined total 11857 inspectors, it would only take 186 visits per inspector. At three to four inspection per day, all farms could be “visited” within three months. This allows plenty of time to "Disrupt" spring planting.

The IRS can do the same to business by aggressively nitpicking the 1099 forms in 2013.

We know a World Government is planned and the UN is the mechanism. The United Nations Commission on global governance makes that pretty darn clear.
"The present lack of any effective mechanism of global economic governance is a structural deficit in the world economy."

We Know (or at least I do) that the World Trade Organization and the United Nations, OIE and FAO have been plotting a take over of the food supply for decades.

Here are a few examples:
1991 - Previously unlimited right of farmers to save seed for the following year's planting has been changed into an optional exception. Only if national government allows, can farm-saved seed still be used, and a royalty has to be paid to the seed company even for seeds grown on-farm.

January 2005: Guide to good farming practices:

This draft guide to good farming practices for animal production food safety was taken from the Report of the Meeting of the OIE Terrestrial Animal Health Standards Commission (Paris, 17-28 January 2005)

June 2006 Global Diversity Treaty:

Standard Material Transfer Agreement (SMTA) a standardized contract that will enable much easier access to crop diversity. [ germplasm for patenting] royalty payment (1.1% of sales) is paid only if product is unavailable for further breeding and research. funds will be devoted to conservation efforts.
Translation: Bio-techs Corporations steal seed from third world farmers, patents it and pay money to Bioversity International

FAO is supporting harmonization of seed rules and regulations in Africa and Central Asia in order to stimulate the development of a vibrant seed industry

...An effective seed regulation harmonization process involves dialogue amongst all relevant stakeholders from both private and public sectors. Seed quality assurance, variety release, plant variety protection, biosafety, plant quarantine and phytosanitary issues are among the major technical areas of a regional harmonized seed system. The key to a successful seed regulation harmonization is a strong political will of the governments involved

Here are the results of the moves made so far:




World food prices at fresh high, says UN - 1/5/2011

China's Wheat Basket Faces Its Worst Drought In 200 Years

Corn Prices To Soar As Chinese Imports Increase Ninefold Compared To Official Projections 2/6/2011

Mexico loses 80-100% of crops to freeze, US prices to skyrocket 2/2011

Russia, one of the biggest producers of wheat bans exports from 15 August to 31 December 2010

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:52 AM

the PTB want to break the Arabs
and the Americans
if the revolution interferes with the price of oil which I hear is the plan
The US will get slammed by the higher costs, but the dollar will gain strength
the peeps will all get trashed and will be happy to go to war
starving, stupid and righteous...

And just like the water budda story and rand paul or the fox news substitution of film clips fiasco with Ron Paul...
truth of course is the first casualty
When they introduce and pass legislation that means all sorces of news must present all points of view in a fair and balanced manner...then you will know that the end of any thruth on the internet is nigh
and the war is imminent

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:54 AM
Proto, Excellent thread

Star n Flag!!!

The last few paragraphs really put things into perspective I must say
I like to think of myself as a skeptic, it seems I might need to turn it up a notch
This is truly becoming the matrix more and more

This is a thread you already posted in, but it's an excellent plug in into this thread

Very relevant!

There must be some type of checklist that can be used to idendify fake personas
It's not artificial intelligence... yet, it's just a software program
It's not perfect.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:57 AM

Originally posted by kosmicjack
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Agreed. It's not thought out - it's spontaneous - and that's what makes it all so dangerous but complaceny and fence sitting don't accomplish much either. Change is born of necessity. However, you're absolutely right, if we're not careful and thoughtful, we'll just end up as slaves to new masters.

edit on 28/2/2011 by kosmicjack because: (no reason given)

I like to think most of us who are here and posting, while we love talking, no doubt about that, are not really fence sitting.

Reaching critical mass and awareness is a process, the government has programmed us to the umpteenth degree with societal constructs and dogmas.

In many ways it's like taking cult victims and deprogramming them and opening up their eyes to the larger world that's been hidden from them.

I don't consider it just a process of giving people information, but teaching them where to look for information, outside of the box and the normal constrics that government, media, and religion use.

Through my own business I have learned a few key things that are critical to success and success in relationships.

1. If you want to upgrade the quality of your life you have to upgrade the quality of your questions.

Too many of us allow the government, media, and religion to ask our questions for us, and accept only those answers they give us to the questions that they themselves asked!

People need to learn to keep digging and rephrasing questions until they actually hear an answer that makes real sense instead of just an answer they have to make sense out of.

2. You don't need to know everything, you just need to learn where to look to find out what ever it is you need to know.

We all like to be experts on any given subject we are talking about and that usually involves a lot of guessing and posturing. Sure we might be able to get people to agree with us, but what good is that going to do if we still don't know what we are talking about.

Learning how to look for answers on your own is critical, and teaching people how to do that is key to breaking their dependency and slavery to media, government, and religion.

3. You are either part of the solution or part of the problem.

Yeah it's the same old two sided coin, but how many of us take the helpless route? I am just one person what can I do. I pushed a button and didn't get any instant gratification it's hopeless.

Masterpieces take time, but those who aren't willing to even try painting one, generally end up with the store photogaphs that came in their picture frames.

It's a process helping people change, and I work towards helping people do that, even while challenging myself to do the same, not exactly a Rambo action movie, or Mr. Smith Goes to Washington, but it's not fence sitting either.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 09:57 AM

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:00 AM
I think what we are witnessing in the ME are controlled government collapses. It takes very little effort to upset the people when you can influence the cost of basic items such as food and fuel.

You can watch the little black ants in the spring time swarm above their nests and fight one another. They attack their own colony to thin out the weaker ants when there is not enough resources or their numbers have grown too large. The queen remains unharmed and the colony becomes stronger.

With the emerging markets demands and shortages in food production, I'd say we are in for some difficult times. The resource wars will continue but the media will keep telling us democracy is what the people want. The zoo keepers need only direct our thoughts towards their goals.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:04 AM
reply to post by CIGGSofWAR

I am a little skeptical about Off World Alien involvement, in part because I have yet to meet (for sure) a person from another world.

I have resolved to attempt to make contact though and to see what I can see, and if they do exist to engage them in a substantial discussion on the future of the planet.

This will sound bizarre, but those of you who believe that they exist, I suggest doing what ever you can to make real contact, and begin a real dialouge with them.

If they are here, they need brought out in the open, and dealt with honestly and openly.

I don't care what kind of tech they have, there are a lot more of us than there is likely to be them.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:06 AM
You make some very good points, and it is true that these revolutions are no garentee of a better outcome. In fact history tells us things will likely get worse before they get better, the French revolution for example. The problem with the theory is that it is a Chinese finger trap, where does the lie end and reality begin? Also, if this has been started by a "false flag", the creater must know that they will not be able to keep control of the situation, it could so easily back fire.

Also, the herd mentality argument will only go so far. Thousands of people have been willing to loose their lives for these upheavals. I am skeptical that so many people would risk their lives and their families well being just to be "part of something". I do believe this has been bubbling for a long time and the pressure has hit it's threshold.

Regardless, there is no doubt we are living in interesting times, and there is no garentee what this world will look like on the other end of this new movement, whether is be real or fake.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:19 AM

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler
reply to post by CIGGSofWAR

I am a little skeptical about Off World Alien involvement, in part because I have yet to meet (for sure) a person from another world.

I have resolved to attempt to make contact though and to see what I can see, and if they do exist to engage them in a substantial discussion on the future of the planet....

Careful Pro Trav. One should be sure aliens do not view us as a yummy lunch.

Steven Hawking has said as much.

Aliens of higher intellect may view us as pesky ants and I remember as a child frying ants with a well aimed sunbeam through a magnifying glass.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:21 AM
reply to post by galadofwarthethird

War is the precursor of peace, and peace is the precursor of war. There will be a WW III, just like there was a WW II and a peace in between those wars, and all wars alike, it's been like that since the beginning of history, and even before humankind even learned to write or conceive of things such as words or languages, there was some sort of war going on....

my point in that you cant stop war from happening, it's a process embedded into life, the only thing you can do really is direct it, and temper it to your will, and to control it, or it will control you.

I am afraid you are wrong about war.

When you had tribes fighting over territory there was a "Winning side" and the cost of war was offset by the acquisition of new land and resources. This was true up to and including the expansion of the British Empire.

This is not true today. Look at the Debt the USA is in from fighting WWI, WWII, Vietnam and all the rest of the wars in the last century.

The question to ask is WHO WINS THE "WAR"

The answer is the bankers! In a nutshell the bankers lend governments worthless fiat currency and collect wealth, that is your labor. in the form of taxes and inflation.

Wars are instigated by the bankers for their advantage and not for the advantage of nations or people.

Once people around the world see this truth, perhaps they will be a lot more reluctant to spill the blood of themselves, their sons, friends and relatives just to fatten the pockets of the bankers.

If you have any doubts that the US government would allow its own people to be killed, to get into wars advantageous for bankers, here are the historical facts showing that they have done so before. Days of Infamy

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:25 AM
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

Bicycles....I've been looking at those lately and I want one of those trailors too.

posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 10:40 AM
Of course the answer is yes. I didnt even read the thread. The internet is the new TV. Its going to be used for propaganda. The internet is being used to project religion, new age beliefs, product advertising, etc ETC. Why is this thread on the home page?

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