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"Abortion is safer than having a baby" says UK's Royal College

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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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In an article from the Telegraph dated from yesterday, it tells of how the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists in the UK is now pressing for doctors, nurses and other medical professionals to discuss the possibility that an abortion may be safer than carrying the child full term.




Its first recommendation on "what women need to know" instructs health professionals: "Women should be advised that abortion is generally safer than continuing a pregnancy to term."


The article goes on to talk about the adverse effects abortion may or may not have on the psychological health of the women who seek an abortion. Overall, there is a mixed opinion on the mental health aspect, but my opinion is that no matter the circumstance it is bound to take a toll on the mother.

Realizing the "harsh" nature of such a recommendation, the Royal College has now decided to rewrite their recommendation.




After being alerted to the concerns by The Sunday Telegraph, the Royal College said it would now rewrite some of the recommendations, upon which consultation closed on Friday.


I cannot begin to guess what the intent of this article is, but I think this "mindset" goes to the heart of bigger social issues. The value of human life is gone! Many are more concerned with the safety of the mother, not the life she carries inside of her. Personal responsibility is being thrown to the wayside as we find ways to justify outright murder. Our medical professionals take oaths to protect the lives of their patients, and I think such a practice would fly in the face of what it means to be a doctor. If necessity dictates an abortion is a must...ok. We have to accept that possibility, but this is what the RC wants doctors to tell patients when they are in the process of considering such an action.

Let me express that I am not completely black and white on the issue, and I realize as a man that I cannot ponder such a situation as I have never had to deal with this issue personally. I think this article hits a bit deeper than just the normal abortion debate. It's more of a society-as-a-whole, and right and wrong issue.

Please take the time to read the article and comment accordingly. I hope to get some mixed debate surrounding such a controversial issue. Please remain civilized and remember...this has nothing to do with religion.

www.telegraph.co.uk... thnews/8349898/Abortion-is-safer-than-having-a-baby-doctors-say.html
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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A thread title worth a thousand words.

there is so much so wrong with our society.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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This isn't news. You can learn this in any 5th grade health class.

Everyone can't just pop those things out as much as we would like to imagine it is as natural as taking a pee. It is life threatening. Giving birth is life threatening, and threatens at least 2 lives.... every single time.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:32 AM
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Originally posted by monkofmimir
A thread title worth a thousand words.

there is so much so wrong with our society.



I think if we increase the number of unwanted children in the world... that will fix all our troubles.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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i agree, now all we have to do is abort the royals for their safety!
2nd line.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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I understand the dangers in child birth. I've gone through two of my own ( wife did all the work) , one being a very stressful birth.

Like I said in the OP, this is more of an issue of personal responsibility.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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That is right, just as not having a baby is safer than having one, it's not rocket science



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by monkofmimir
A thread title worth a thousand words.

there is so much so wrong with our society.



I think if we increase the number of unwanted children in the world... that will fix all our troubles.


Could you expand on that statement please?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:50 AM
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I believe that abortion should be given as one of several valid legal options for dealing with pregnancy. Also, there is nothing wrong with a Doctor explaining this fact to potential mothers. Abortion is a valid option that unfortunately WAY too many people do not take advantage of. It is a great step in the right direction to require DRs to inform their patients of this option, and in my opinion, it should be given a lot of time in the discussion.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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"ABORTION IS SAFER THAN HAVING A BABY".


hmmmmmm......... I wonder what the baby's thoughts on that would be. I am pretty sure he/she would disagree.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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Well if the foetus was aware of the dangers of child birth it'd probably agree with the statement



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:09 PM
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I respectfully disagree.

The choices made up to the point at which an abortion is an option are too many to count!

We make the choice to have sex.

We make the choice to be cautious enough (or not) to protect ourselves during sex.

We make the choice to have sex with someone who is able to deal with the chance that pregnancy may occur.

Now if we are unable to make the right choices up to that point, are we to then find it OK to give them one last chance to make a bad decision?

This goes much deeper than a "stupid people shouldn't breed" type of argument. Once again, this is about personal responsibility and the value of life. Unfortunately, where do we draw the line at which an individual has the right to take a life?



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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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This goes much deeper than a "stupid people shouldn't breed" type of argument. Once again, this is about personal responsibility


No it's about safety



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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Here is an odd idea: If safety during a pregnancy is an issue....don't get pregnant!

As I said in the OP, I realize there are situations in which a decision like this must be made for the safety of the mother. In those cases I understand and think the mother and father have a right to make a choice based on there own criteria.

This article does not separate high-risk pregnancies from unwanted pregnancies. Big difference in my opinion.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:27 PM
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Originally posted by Quadrivium
"ABORTION IS SAFER THAN HAVING A BABY".


hmmmmmm......... I wonder what the baby's thoughts on that would be. I am pretty sure he/she would disagree.



You can wonder all you want and you may even attach your own set of impressions and ideas about the "thoughts" this incomplete embryo has but that doesn't mean it actually has those thoughts or has even developed the part of itself that might one day lead to having any thoughts at all.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:35 PM
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Originally posted by Pockets
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Well if the foetus was aware of the dangers of child birth it'd probably agree with the statement

First:
So, it is your humble opinion that the baby would choose death over life?

Second:
How do we know that they are not aware to a certain degree?

Third:
My mother and father should have aborted me, there were many complications and the doctors said they should abort because I would be born brain dead and be a finacial burden on the entire family. I thank God that my mom and dad made the right choice for me. They gave me a voice when I did not have one.
I was born normal and was the biggest baby she had.

Fourth:
All because they do not have a voice while in the womb does not mean they won't always have one. Given the choice later in life I am sure they would choose to have their voices heard and to live. It's not all about what is in the womb, it's about what it will become.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Yes, abortion is merely ONE more choice in that miriad of choices you enumerated. A valid legal choice like the others.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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Originally posted by rusethorcain

Originally posted by Quadrivium
"ABORTION IS SAFER THAN HAVING A BABY".


hmmmmmm......... I wonder what the baby's thoughts on that would be. I am pretty sure he/she would disagree.



You can wonder all you want and you may even attach your own set of impressions and ideas about the "thoughts" this incomplete embryo has but that doesn't mean it actually has those thoughts or has even developed the part of itself that might one day lead to having any thoughts at all.


Ah, I see, so you think all abortions should be stopped until this is proven?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 01:59 PM
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Fortunately, this madness will probably be corrected in the future by a simple process that is the ''Roe effect''.

In this hypothesis, it is argued that those weak ''women'' who would rather kill their own unborn child than face up to the responsibilities and consequences of their own actions or mistakes, will have either no children or smaller families, while the real women who have self-responsibility and strength of character, and who wouldn't consider killing their own child for personal ''convenience'', will consequently have more children.

It follows that children are more likely to adopt the views of their parents, especially on a highly contentious and divisive issue such as this, and therefore anti-abortionists will not only be multiplying at a higher rate than pro-abortionists, but raising more people who share their anti-abortion views.

In effect, pro-abortionists are gradually volunteering themselves out of the gene pool, which shows that every cloud has a silver lining.

The hypothesis is, of course, a little simplistic, not least because people's views on abortion are largely not based on genetic factors, and also because we obviously can't predict any future social changes that may alter one side's general view on the matter. However, it's hard to foresee a time when the issue of abortion, when given critical thought, will not engender strong feelings from those who think the issue through.

The basis of the premise is simple mathematics, and is pretty sound, and in this case, the chaff are whittling themselves away while the wheat are reproducing more numerously.

I love natural selection.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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Is legality now the litmus test for what is right or wrong? There are many things that we could make "legal", such as child porn or theft, but that does not make it right.

Once again, I have to stress this is not about religion or politics. I do not have an agenda either way. I am more concerned about the social aspects of this sort of thinking.



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