Why hasn't the US made a formal apology to the Native Americans?

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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 10:14 AM
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I appreciate the place where this thread came from, but go back to smoking the peace pipe - literally (I'll revisit that in a second). We all need to get on the same page when it comes to waking up. People randomly pick a conspiracy (or injustice) topic, take chemtrails for an instance and then run with it. Or Fluoride and then run with it - or market manipulation and run with it. However, what they are failing to address is the real issue at hand, which is that there really is a group of elite that are running the show. Until we understand that, much of our grievances and efforts are perhaps poorly aligned and devoid a meaningful outcome. As David Henry Thoreau said,


There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root.


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Realistically, when is our or any government going to apologize for poisoning us with chemicals? When are they going to apologize for banker corruption? They aren't. On and on it goes. So, all these varying atrocities and neglects are just the branches. In my opinion, we need to be attacking the root more directly.

The United States of America is just a corporation, created and driven by the elite that have setup other corporations around the world. The real shareholders of these corporations are the problem. They are the root and they are the ones that owe the apology. Having the US Government apologize would be the equivalent of the counter person at McDonald's apologizing for a grand mishap in your food order - it carries little weight and is coming from the person who really isn't responsible for the problem. The politicians and the government employees are just vapid pawns, facilitating the exploit system.

Until people collectively elevate the reality-consciousness of this world and its corrupt paradigm, all we can do is "smoke the peace pipe." And what I mean by that is to personally develop and foster a level of awareness that transmutes the negative to the positive. So, again, I appreciate the place where this is coming from, but having anybody other than the ones responsible for this and other crimes against specific groups or humanity en masse, is hollow and false.

Nonetheless, great thread.




posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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I am 1/8 Algonquin myself, the rest is Scottish and German. I really don't see the point of an apology at this point, unless it is a first step to demanding reparations or something.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 10:57 AM
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Hmm funny I don't remember the US Gov mistreating Indians in living memory..

I find it pathetic when "minorities" demand apologies for events that happened in the PAST. Let's assume Obama gets up and makes some "formal apology" in a prepared statement to a half interested press court and drones on about how bad he feels our government some 100 years ago were mean to Indians.

Would that make you feel better?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:02 AM
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well where im from in canada the indians dont pay tax ... and in the reserve here canadian laws dont apply ... they sell alcohol cigarettes they have casinos and now there starting there own lottery and the goverment are really not happy about it ! but i agree with the indians and it should be like that everywhere (freedom)

they should apoligize to the native cause here in the 70s the goverment used the reserve to dump chemicals and they f**t there land.....

if u wonder where im from ... KANAWAKE Quebec Canada !



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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I know this is harsh, but, in a normal war back in the time America settled here, their opponent would be exterminated, or forced to leave and disperse into neighboring countries/land.

You should probably be content with the fact that Natives were allowed to stay in America, and not all killed. And hey, now they get tax cuts, free education, their own land to govern, and the ability to cry over giving away their land however long ago.

Stop complaining and be happy with what you have, because it could - AND SHOULD - have been alot worse.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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The descendants of Natives Americans should definitely receive a formal apology from the U.S. government. The natives in my town receive many benefits though. One of my native friends gets 30,000 a year, free school, housing.. etc.. That is sort of like an apology right? As to the state of the reservations isn't it what the Natives want? A land that the U.S. government and white citizens can't mess with and have no part of? The police can't even go onto a reservation chasing a criminal that crosses into that land. That is freedom!



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:08 AM
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Cry me a river. That is what yous get for aligning first with the French, then the British(twice) and later the Confederates(because yous didn't want to lose your slaves). Be grateful you don't live in Mexico, China, or other countries with large "indigenous"(P.S yous weren't even the first humans to live in North America! Your ancestors butchered them to become the "indigenous" peoples) populations.

If you want to bring up the past be my guest, because say what you will about us but we didn't wipe your ancestors out(because your here). Better off focusing on the present and future.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:10 AM
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I would like to say I am sorry on behalf of my ancestors.(I am pretty sure they never did wrong to the native americans but they were part of the society that did.) I can't speak for the government but it is terrible how native americans were treated. People talk about the Jewish Holocoust but people rarely talk about the Native Indian holocoust. Many were slain in order for invaders to take over. IT is sad that america was built off the killing of innocent people.
They tried to make the Native Americans look like ruthless savages. It is not fair from what I have heard about Native Americans they are a peaceful people.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Because American Indians are not black, illegal, a gay group or pro feminist. Simple, it's all about special interest and lobbying power.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Originally posted by sonofliberty1776
I am 1/8 Algonquin myself, the rest is Scottish and German. I really don't see the point of an apology at this point, unless it is a first step to demanding reparations or something.


Yeah...you clearly deserve reperations. Along with the other 43287698265469 1/8th natives that will claim it solely out of greed and free money. Lets face it, thats all this boils down to.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:11 AM
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Has to due with war crimes, and history in falsifying events. A long history in conspiracy so people could get what they deemed or wanted, ethenic cleasing the payments are the applogy done out of ignorance rather tham admiting themselves or a group responsible for war crimes, crimes against humanity. As former leaders Bush and Chrétien are both wanted for war crimes, Crimes against humanity punishable by death, hanging. same goes for the NWO has now become acceptable for this white collar crime, the bean counter says there is money to be made -human deductions or hush money for the families involved. They see as in lue of which makes it acceptable. put a noose around there necks and they will have regret! It allows for responsible power in governance rather than control, nor different than for corps take there bosses and board of directors and start putting ropes around there necks and they will speak about regrets.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


There is a bill that was introduced in 2009 by Senator Sam Brownback (R-Kansas), that for whatever reason, has never passed.

A similar resolution, concerning natives of the Hawaiian Islands was passed in 1993.

Go figure.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by Drezden
The descendants of Natives Americans should definitely receive a formal apology from the U.S. government. The natives in my town receive many benefits though. One of my native friends gets 30,000 a year, free school, housing.. etc.. That is sort of like an apology right? As to the state of the reservations isn't it what the Natives want? A land that the U.S. government and white citizens can't mess with and have no part of? The police can't even go onto a reservation chasing a criminal that crosses into that land. That is freedom!


30k a year...and how much does he spend on booze and partying? Somehow I doubt its all going to his community, or bettering himself as a person. I also bet he still complains about what the government did to "him" and his ancestors.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Another thing to take note of, the vast majority of white U.S. citizens ancestors came to the U.S. long after the original British genocide of Natives.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Ryanssuperman

30k a year...and how much does he spend on booze and partying? Somehow I doubt its all going to his community, or bettering himself as a person. I also bet he still complains about what the government did to "him" and his ancestors.


Unfortunately most of the natives in my town when they are old enough to receive this money drop out of school, and smoke meth, and become alcoholics. My friend DOESN'T though. I don't think it has to do with them being Natives though, if you start giving any 18 year old that much money per year it causes problems. Just like the people who win the lottery who.
edit on 2/27/2011 by Drezden because: After thoughts



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by Drezden

Originally posted by Ryanssuperman

30k a year...and how much does he spend on booze and partying? Somehow I doubt its all going to his community, or bettering himself as a person. I also bet he still complains about what the government did to "him" and his ancestors.


Unfortunately most of the natives in my town when they receive this money drop out of school, and smoke meth, and are alcoholics. My friend doesn't though.


Well good for him!



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:23 AM
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My great grandmother was Creek Indian. I am Indian and Irish on my Mother's side. Pretty much international on my Dad's!!!! Probably not many full bloodied Indians anymore.
But those prejudices are still around.
At a work place I worked at a few years ago, a new Administrator was hired. One of his statements in his introductory speech included one against the Indians. There were four people who had Indian heritage including myself.
The Administrator was ranting on about this great country of ours and how we had to get rid of the Indians to possess it and the military did a great job "eradicating" the Indians. People in the room starting looking at me and another girl who was there that day with Indian blood. Strange feeling....
I have heard the terms .... Stinking Indians, dirty Indians, lying Indians, murdering savages..drunk Indians and etc. all my life. Even My own Stepfather would not let my Mom tell anyone she was part Indian when I was growing up. ((We Moved to another state when I was 4 and Mom met my stepfather.))
He also saw Indian heritage as a disgrace.
Well...The Indian is on the nickel. But no Holiday set aside for them.
edit on 27-2-2011 by ellieN because: needed to clarify



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
I feel sorry for the Indians but I think the pain goes both ways. There were indians that killed white men unfairly and there were white men that killed indians unfairly. For every case you point to where white men slaughtered indians i can point to a case where indians slaughtered white men. And you skip over something big. Disease and viral infections spread by white men (mostly ignorant of) killled off a lot of indians, not guns. It's dishonest to act like they were all killed by white people.

All in all, I think our debts are mostly payed. Indians have reservations and what else? Don't complain. This all happened in the past, keep in mind. So complaining about it now is doing little good. Nothing we do now can change what happened and will only breed further contempt on both sides. We don't need more animosity. We need indians in universities on a path to success, not in reservations.

The idea here is to grow and prosper and love, not to wallow in past bitterness and hate. And besides, focusing on what white men did ignores what the indians did. Don't cherry pick history.
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okay if the Africans came to America, called the whie people inferior, after you treated them good then unintentionally giving you disease, and then murdering and mutilating your family, wouldn't you, as a citizen of the US, or any country under seige



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:39 AM
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Originally posted by prexparte
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You are correct in your reasoning to that which occured during in time gone/ the distant past. Yet when people like you ask this question, Why hasnt "america" formally apologized to native americans. Well I find that kinda odd to even ask. Which race of americans should apologize? after-all we have nearly every race living here. What age should this person be who is apologizing? after-all not one living american was around when all those hideous things happen to the native americans. But if people keep insisting on having apolgies from "america" for their cultural or racial reason well I must consider it shoudl come from a spaniard. It is the spaniards who so-called, found america, it is the spaniards who brought slaves to america and lastly it was the spaniards who started the downfall of the native american nation...so again I ask, which nationality do you have in mind of this person who will apologize to the natives in representing all americans?
when I said "America" I simply meant the Governments mindset at the time, and even well into the 1970's that they were sub-humans and lesser than Americans



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by TheForgottenOnes
 


Hmm funny I don't remember the US Gov mistreating Indians in living memory..

I find it pathetic when "minorities" demand apologies for events that happened in the PAST. Let's assume Obama gets up and makes some "formal apology" in a prepared statement to a half interested press court and drones on about how bad he feels our government some 100 years ago were mean to Indians.

Would that make you feel better?

no, it wouldn't like I have said before, my husband, only wants aknowledgment he doesn't care about money, he just wants America to say "yeah we ****** up....we are very sorry"





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