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Why hasn't the US made a formal apology to the Native Americans?

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:46 AM
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Some things are still going on today
A good many do not know of the thousands of children ripped from their families and forced to attend boarding schools 25 run by the government and 450 run by the churches...
Link to Amnesty magazine

why to this very day when a red kids acts up his parents don't threaten him or her with the boogeyman...oh no they will say, "If you don't behave we'll send you off to a BIA school!




posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes
I just can't convince people these atrocities happened a mere 30 years ago, moving people onto toxic dumps, involuntary sterilizations, these things didn't happen 100's of years ago, our government has been in on it, there are people from the 70's and 80's still in power today


You are absolutely right!! These res schools that were here are the reason you started this discussion and people (myself included) let it stray into other social issues regading Indians. I think there should be a public accounting for the people involved...and if people can prove that they were a victim of this injustice..they should sue. Not for the past 400 years, but, for what just happened. After that is all sorted out...then maybe they can move on. Gov'ts always take advantage of people that don't/can't take care of themselves. Don't put yourselves in that position in the first place and you won't have to worry.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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Originally posted by superman2012

Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by Secularist
 


Careful what you say and who you piss off...
Did you know that in the western US the majority of oil leases (47%) lay on Native grounds... Yup there in Navajo Lands too... So what would happen if we told you white folks to pack your trash and split.... we Red folk do pay taxes... Hell I'm a retired US Marine... did ya know we have a Native American Consolata in Washington DC.... our first official visit was from China...

We are a power a force that needs to be reckoned with... treat us as equals and we got no problems, treat as as pests and we can show you what a sting we have...
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You wouldn't tell your white wallet to leave because you need us too much. If you TRIED to get the corporations to leave...not only would your people be starving again, but, they would need to rely on the gov't AGAIN. Then this cycle would keep continuing.

As a side note...when Indians talk about being one with nature and respecting mother earth...are oil derricks an exemption to that rule!??!?? Give me a break. Every culture wants more than what they have...your just has PAST history to complain about. Unfortunatly my gov't falls for it. You won, now be quiet and let us finish raping the earth.


I AM excited to hear about my side note though.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:55 AM
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Originally posted by DaddyBare
reply to post by TheForgottenOnes
 


Some things are still going on today
A good many do not know of the thousands of children ripped from their families and forced to attend boarding schools 25 run by the government and 450 run by the churches...
Link to Amnesty magazine

why to this very day when a red kids acts up his parents don't threaten him or her with the boogeyman...oh no they will say, "If you don't behave we'll send you off to a BIA school!

Yeah, my huband talks about "The Old Mission" apparently some old school where hundreds, maybe even thousands of Native kids were killed untill it was shut down in the 50's, legend had it that it was haunted, but thank god it burned down about 5 years ago, different story, and off topic but worth noting



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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Why? Because to do so would be political suicide.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 11:59 AM
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To answer your title.....I think we already have, and continue to do so on a daily basis, even though it is all long in the past.

You don't feel that having separate sovereign nations INSIDE the greatest country in the world is enough of an apology? You don't feel that being able to reap the benefits of being a United States citizen while at the same time being exempt from many of its laws is enough of an apology? You don't feel that favoritism toward a certain race of people and millions of dollars in monthly payments from the government based solely on who their ancestors were is enough of an apology? You don't feel that being one of the only groups of people who is allowed to run casinos in many states and profit largely on other people's bad habits, on top of the millions they are already paid, is enough of an apology?

You don't feel that being the only race of people who has ever been invaded, conquered, slaughtered, and THEN paid millions, if not billions, of dollars, for decades, hundreds of years after the fact, being exempt from state laws, having countless government grants that only apply to them, having scholarships that only apply to their children, that is all not enough of an apology?

What else do you want? You want everyone in this country who is not a certain race to leave? Would you be better off without civilization as you now know it? Against the elements, wildlife, etc.?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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The resentment, the sense of entitlement and the anger that people feel.
No, I'm not talking about Native Americans, I'm talking about the posters here who get angry because of the residual guilt they feel. Those types always talk about others whining, but how they whine about this issue.
Good god, the Native Americans are native to the United States. Because they are tossed some bones, or some are given rights to a casino they are supposed to be delighted about their position in soceity, that everything is just dandy?
At the very least the US education system should teach the history of the United States, not just the history of the settlers of the US. That much should be compulsory, but it appears that is too much to ask for.
No, I don't expect an apology, but I do expect, no I require, basic respect for the native people of the US. Its not like there are many left, or they will make more demands.
Hell, I write this as somebody who used to watch cowboys and indians movies and used to think that the indians were the worst kind of savages known to mankind. Talk about propoganda and I didn't know better, there are some who still have these cultural references in their mind when thinking about native americans...



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 12:42 PM
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I would guess because no one is still alive that took part in the mistreatment of Native Americans. Would you get anything out of an apology from someone that had absolutley nothing to do with it? Example: Your best friend sleeps with your spouse. Instead of him apologizing for it, your next door neighbor does instead....? You want a real apology, break out a ouiji board and summon Teddy Roosevelt, otherwise it won't be genuine

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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 12:49 PM
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Originally posted by freethinker123
The resentment, the sense of entitlement and the anger that people feel.
No, I'm not talking about Native Americans, I'm talking about the posters here who get angry because of the residual guilt they feel. Those types always talk about others whining, but how they whine about this issue.
Good god, the Native Americans are native to the United States. Because they are tossed some bones, or some are given rights to a casino they are supposed to be delighted about their position in soceity, that everything is just dandy?
At the very least the US education system should teach the history of the United States, not just the history of the settlers of the US. That much should be compulsory, but it appears that is too much to ask for.
No, I don't expect an apology, but I do expect, no I require, basic respect for the native people of the US. Its not like there are many left, or they will make more demands.
Hell, I write this as somebody who used to watch cowboys and indians movies and used to think that the indians were the worst kind of savages known to mankind. Talk about propoganda and I didn't know better, there are some who still have these cultural references in their mind when thinking about native americans...


I can assure you I have no residual guilt. In fact I am quite surprised that the British/Spanish didn't actually slaughter all the Indians. I am also Native to North America. I was born here. I can assure you as well, that the Indian population isn't just "tossed some bones". If they want to keep their culture, than they should be teaching their children about their culture. As far as position in society goes. I am 2nd generation born, I never had anything handed to me, I worked hard. You would think that a culture that has been here for 1000's of years would be able to have things figured out by now. Indian studies is compulsory and I had to start taking it in Grade 4 all the way through the end of high school. Respect is also a two way street. How can you respect people that don't respect themselves...and I am not referring to EVERY Indian. How can you accept handouts and then be mad because you can't do anything for yourselves?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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Originally posted by ellieN
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THis is going to sound funny....My daughter married a man who's ancestor was Andrew Jackson!!! I think He really did not know any of the History of Andrew Jackson....Anyway... MY daughter told me of his heritage. She said she had told my son-in- law .."You had better not tell my Mom that, she will run you thru the brambles and the bushes like he did the Indians!!!!"
To keep peace in the family we do not speak of it....

Added to: My- son-law is one of the most likeable lovable people and is there to help anyone in the family when it is needed..He can't help what Andrew Jackson did.
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True he should learn from his ancestral relations of the past and learn from it as some have a dark ancestral past



Ironically

Im a descendant of a Famous Man in America a True Pioneer Explorer that went across the Land to the Pacific and Mapped most of it ... He had a big relationship of the Natives Americans ! and even Adopted some and raised some of his Own as he also Help Raised another famous Person Children that went with along him to his Journey as a Translator and Guide tho later on it hurt the Natives as the Government they took over the Land and put them in reservations by Force etc... tho he was just exploring and Mapping the land that was not explored by a white man(except for a few Traders) for the government tho you can say he was used more like a Scout !



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 12:58 PM
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1st day and I don't want to ruffle feathers but here goes....

Yes, Native Americans are owed an apology. For a very long time OUR people were slaughtered, disgraced, and all around treated extremely inhumanly. Native Americans have never asked for reperations (which are totally illogical in my humble opinion), instead, they have dedicated lands where they are allowed to follow their own laws and decide their own punishments. They are granted gambling rights where profits are to be paid to each member of the tribe (at least in my area). I am 1/8 Cherokee and can not claim indian status. My mother can and has been offered discounts for college classes (which she refused special treatment since she has never experienced small pox covered blankets or had to walk the trail of tears).

While we are on the subject, the other side of my family is French Acadian. My people were collected, separated from their families, sent half way across the continent and dropped in the middle of no where to start over without their loved ones and without knowledge of how to hunt or farm in the extremely different environment. Many did not last long. Where is my apology!? Where is my dedicated land!? Where is my casino revenues!?

So yes, Native Americans deserve an apology but from who? From the American government which is meant to represent the country as a whole? So I owe you an apology? I am very sorry that neither you, nor anyone you know has had their land taken away, their women raped, and their children slaughtered. I'm afraid the people who really owe the apologies are long gone.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 01:19 PM
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Indian studies is compulsory in the US education system? I have to say that is news to me, but I'd be happy to have more information on this.
I don't think its very honest to claim that the settlers and their families were British and Spanish and to imply that wiping out the native US population was not done by settlers (what we would call Americans today). Many of the British and Spanish didn't return home, the benefits of this (not really another way to put it but theft) were enjoyed by the families of those settlers and it doesn't really make any difference whether they were born in the US or not.
How can you respect people who don't respect themselves? I never had anything handed to me on a plate.. Good grief, people bang on about the same things without thinking what they are saying.
Some of us respect others, regardless of whether we believe those people respect themselves or not. What business is it of yours to be judge, are you their master? Are you suggesting that most of 'them' had things handed to them on a silver plate, that they live charmed lives. that they experience less discrimination than you? Fed up with the fact its easier for you than them? Persuaded yourself that you are the one that is hard done by? Poor you!
You would think that a people that have been around for a thousand years would have figured things out by now? Give me strength. Like the gypsies of Europe you mean? They choose a certain way of life and the majority populations make value judgements about that. Let me explain - not everybody judges how many material items a person possesses, But how strange that looks to us! How is it they are not obsessed with making money and having brand names? They are not part of the consumer society! Surely we can accuse them of taking our taxes after all we disagree with their odd cultural values...
No, I'm not asking for much, just an end to the lazy generalisations and a deeper understanding of what its like to come from such groups. Is it really so hard to understand? Must people always feel self pity for themselves before considering others?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Larrelye
1st day and I don't want to ruffle feathers but here goes....

Yes, Native Americans are owed an apology. For a very long time OUR people were slaughtered, disgraced, and all around treated extremely inhumanly. Native Americans have never asked for reperations (which are totally illogical in my humble opinion), instead, they have dedicated lands where they are allowed to follow their own laws and decide their own punishments. They are granted gambling rights where profits are to be paid to each member of the tribe (at least in my area). I am 1/8 Cherokee and can not claim indian status. My mother can and has been offered discounts for college classes (which she refused special treatment since she has never experienced small pox covered blankets or had to walk the trail of tears).

While we are on the subject, the other side of my family is French Acadian. My people were collected, separated from their families, sent half way across the continent and dropped in the middle of no where to start over without their loved ones and without knowledge of how to hunt or farm in the extremely different environment. Many did not last long. Where is my apology!? Where is my dedicated land!? Where is my casino revenues!?

So yes, Native Americans deserve an apology but from who? From the American government which is meant to represent the country as a whole? So I owe you an apology? I am very sorry that neither you, nor anyone you know has had their land taken away, their women raped, and their children slaughtered. I'm afraid the people who really owe the apologies are long gone.


I have said it on here before, that these things happened less than 30 years ago, forced sterilizations, and forcing some Natives to live on toxic dumps, it happens,,,btw, welcome to ATS!!



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by freethinker123
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Indian studies is compulsory in the US education system? I have to say that is news to me, but I'd be happy to have more information on this.
I don't think its very honest to claim that the settlers and their families were British and Spanish and to imply that wiping out the native US population was not done by settlers (what we would call Americans today). Many of the British and Spanish didn't return home, the benefits of this (not really another way to put it but theft) were enjoyed by the families of those settlers and it doesn't really make any difference whether they were born in the US or not.
How can you respect people who don't respect themselves? I never had anything handed to me on a plate.. Good grief, people bang on about the same things without thinking what they are saying.
Some of us respect others, regardless of whether we believe those people respect themselves or not. What business is it of yours to be judge, are you their master? Are you suggesting that most of 'them' had things handed to them on a silver plate, that they live charmed lives. that they experience less discrimination than you? Fed up with the fact its easier for you than them? Persuaded yourself that you are the one that is hard done by? Poor you!
You would think that a people that have been around for a thousand years would have figured things out by now? Give me strength. Like the gypsies of Europe you mean? They choose a certain way of life and the majority populations make value judgements about that. Let me explain - not everybody judges how many material items a person possesses, But how strange that looks to us! How is it they are not obsessed with making money and having brand names? They are not part of the consumer society! Surely we can accuse them of taking our taxes after all we disagree with their odd cultural values...
No, I'm not asking for much, just an end to the lazy generalisations and a deeper understanding of what its like to come from such groups. Is it really so hard to understand? Must people always feel self pity for themselves before considering others?


I never once said that it was compulsory in the US...I am Canadian...and if you had been bothered in the least to read EVERYTHING on this thread, then you would have an ounce of understanding about what I have been talking about. Like I said on a previous thread...you can't claim to be respectful of yourself when you have bumper stickers claiming the opposite...also, being a witness to the foster child situation in Canada I can ASSURE you that out of every ten kids 7-8 are Indian. I have seen more than 50 go through a family close to me over the years. You can't claim to be a self-respectful culture when your own children are fair game.

I also stated on my previous threads that I don't think everything was handed to them on a silver platter...I just said the have more opportunities for becoming better people than any other race in this country.

I don't think I brought up the Gypsies once...and not knowing a thing about them I refuse to speculate on something that has nothing to do with this topic. I was referring again, to another one of my comments on this thread ( that you should really take the time to read everyone's opinion before responding to a comment) where I believe they should get back to their core values; family, friends, self, etc. I have all my core beliefs in line. The fact that my grandparents were displaced by Nazi's doesn't stop me from being a productive member of society. I don't sit at home and complain about this. I don't expect free crap because of this. It happened. My grandparents dealt with it as did my parents as do I. (again, another comment I had before)

If the Indians didn't care about consumer things...good! Let's put an end to free/subsidized schooling, welfare, etc, and focus on free healthcare for them. They do care about consumer goods...just go back and read Apacheman's comments (again, go read).

So before you accuse me of lazy generalizations take a minute, go back and read, and then go do some investigating yourself, and then come back here and educate me and show me how I am wrong. I have given you very specific examples (if you care to read earlier comments) when are you going to do the same instead of spouting nonsense about Gypsies and accusing me of self pity?



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 01:39 PM
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Apologizing to the Native Americans would go against EVERYTHING this country stands for. Be it, dominance, greed, power... etc. This isn't what your told in school, it's not the constitution, it's real.

There was a similar trend in ancient Atlantis. In fact, USA is the modern day Atlantis and is reliving those energetic patterns. Get ready for the fall, it's coming.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by Secularist

Originally posted by Wolfenz
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Just curious

s there any industrial plant in your area that if you live within or around a reservation ?


Seriously, I used to think African Americans complained way too much about the past. Im gay, and I dont even complain this much about how were treated in this country TODAY. He is acting like its still the 1700s. Here in 2011 we treat homosexuals as second class citizens and thankfully thats slowly starting to change. Lets talk more about how unfair it is what the mass populace of this country does to homosexuals. Because of their stupid religious beliefs I cant visit my partner of 6 years on his death bed should he ever go to it because im not immediate family. My lifestyle offends their ideology of hatred and as a result im the victim because they can vote to eliminate the rights of minorities - my rights.

Day to day life, Indians arent committing suicide at 15 years old because they go to school and every kid they see is calling them a fa.ggot or pillow biter and they cant deal with the persecution. Black people are still being called a very bad word. What the hell do Indians have to complain about? Their massive casinos all over this country?


for one
being Gay is not a Race its a Choice Culture ! lets get that strait ahh i mean right
a Homosexual is in just about every culture and Race ! on the planet .. as the majority of those cultures have the same levels of prejudice of Gays and those cultures have hard time to accept someone that is Openly Gay .. to be within a routine cultured Family status

1700s ? way before then and still going just not a higher degree as it once was
go to a few AIM web Sites go learn about the recent OKA Crisis for starters !
The Native American Resistance is still going on in 2011 where im from

Its Obvious you haven't seen the post i put on this thread go watch those videos as i put from 1969 to present ! I can not say much about the rest of reservations but the one im around is caught between 2 Nations Canada and the North country of Upstate New York ! right around the St Lawrence River! Go Study! and your from New York ! and you dont know about this ? you must live in the New York city ..

For descendants of Blacks that were in slavery They share an Equal pain as Native Americans

around the world there alot of resistance against government and land they try to control
especially now! in the middle eastern country's if you noticed

as there is many resistance movements of other Countries invading their land ...

and I should say The Government Owes the Apology Not the descendants of Slave Owners or Descendants of Government Military Men that government sent that attempted to wipe out rubout the Native Americans
Its the Government that should Apologize that allowed it to happen It the Government that is doing it now in the States and Canada
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posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by Larrelye
1st day and I don't want to ruffle feathers but here goes....

Yes, Native Americans are owed an apology. For a very long time OUR people were slaughtered, disgraced, and all around treated extremely inhumanly. Native Americans have never asked for reperations (which are totally illogical in my humble opinion), instead, they have dedicated lands where they are allowed to follow their own laws and decide their own punishments. They are granted gambling rights where profits are to be paid to each member of the tribe (at least in my area). I am 1/8 Cherokee and can not claim indian status. My mother can and has been offered discounts for college classes (which she refused special treatment since she has never experienced small pox covered blankets or had to walk the trail of tears).

While we are on the subject, the other side of my family is French Acadian. My people were collected, separated from their families, sent half way across the continent and dropped in the middle of no where to start over without their loved ones and without knowledge of how to hunt or farm in the extremely different environment. Many did not last long. Where is my apology!? Where is my dedicated land!? Where is my casino revenues!?

So yes, Native Americans deserve an apology but from who? From the American government which is meant to represent the country as a whole? So I owe you an apology? I am very sorry that neither you, nor anyone you know has had their land taken away, their women raped, and their children slaughtered. I'm afraid the people who really owe the apologies are long gone.


I have said it on here before, that these things happened less than 30 years ago, forced sterilizations, and forcing some Natives to live on toxic dumps, it happens,,,btw, welcome to ATS!!


Thank you for the welcome! Please excuse me. I tend to ramble. Regardless, the point of my post is that we are all owed an apology from someone somewhere along the lines. We are living in a time of "no one's feelings should be hurt" and "everything should be fair" and "gimme". This is not a healthy attitude for our youth and the progress of our country.

I was recently passed over for a high paying position where i was more qualified and had a higher score on testing than my male counterpart who did get the job. Why? Because he does not have family that might interfere with overtime. I have an exemplary work history with 1 week of call off over 10 years when my sister died unexpectly. My Austrian ancestors came to this country as indentured servants. Apparently, they owed so much, that even their children spent their adult lives as indentured servants as well. And of course I've already mentioned other parts of my lineage.

This is in no way meant to be offensive to ANY culture. Simply a way of expressing that we all, at some point in history, (some more recent than others) have been treated worse than a steaming pile of doggie poo and are owed an apology. BTW, I appreciate your stance on this and your willingness to discuss it logically.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 02:14 PM
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There really isn't anything to apologise for............don't get me wrong it was totally wrong what happened to the natives but it wasn't the current generation of Americans that killed many people so i see no reason why the Americans should have to apologise.
The best thing the Americans could do is leave and hand the land back.



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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Originally posted by Larrelye

Originally posted by TheForgottenOnes

Originally posted by Larrelye
1st day and I don't want to ruffle feathers but here goes....

Yes, Native Americans are owed an apology. For a very long time OUR people were slaughtered, disgraced, and all around treated extremely inhumanly. Native Americans have never asked for reperations (which are totally illogical in my humble opinion), instead, they have dedicated lands where they are allowed to follow their own laws and decide their own punishments. They are granted gambling rights where profits are to be paid to each member of the tribe (at least in my area). I am 1/8 Cherokee and can not claim indian status. My mother can and has been offered discounts for college classes (which she refused special treatment since she has never experienced small pox covered blankets or had to walk the trail of tears).

While we are on the subject, the other side of my family is French Acadian. My people were collected, separated from their families, sent half way across the continent and dropped in the middle of no where to start over without their loved ones and without knowledge of how to hunt or farm in the extremely different environment. Many did not last long. Where is my apology!? Where is my dedicated land!? Where is my casino revenues!?

So yes, Native Americans deserve an apology but from who? From the American government which is meant to represent the country as a whole? So I owe you an apology? I am very sorry that neither you, nor anyone you know has had their land taken away, their women raped, and their children slaughtered. I'm afraid the people who really owe the apologies are long gone.


I have said it on here before, that these things happened less than 30 years ago, forced sterilizations, and forcing some Natives to live on toxic dumps, it happens,,,btw, welcome to ATS!!


Thank you for the welcome! Please excuse me. I tend to ramble. Regardless, the point of my post is that we are all owed an apology from someone somewhere along the lines. We are living in a time of "no one's feelings should be hurt" and "everything should be fair" and "gimme". This is not a healthy attitude for our youth and the progress of our country.

I was recently passed over for a high paying position where i was more qualified and had a higher score on testing than my male counterpart who did get the job. Why? Because he does not have family that might interfere with overtime. I have an exemplary work history with 1 week of call off over 10 years when my sister died unexpectly. My Austrian ancestors came to this country as indentured servants. Apparently, they owed so much, that even their children spent their adult lives as indentured servants as well. And of course I've already mentioned other parts of my lineage.

This is in no way meant to be offensive to ANY culture. Simply a way of expressing that we all, at some point in history, (some more recent than others) have been treated worse than a steaming pile of doggie poo and are owed an apology. BTW, I appreciate your stance on this and your willingness to discuss it logically.
No problem, I appreciate your POV I just responded to your reply of the people owed apologies, are long gone, I just tried to express the point that these things have happened less than 30 years ago, and in my belief, things like this are happening today, it's just a matter of time before we find out, but no one will care



posted on Feb, 28 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Viking9019
There really isn't anything to apologise for............don't get me wrong it was totally wrong what happened to the natives but it wasn't the current generation of Americans that killed many people so i see no reason why the Americans should have to apologise.
The best thing the Americans could do is leave and hand the land back.
Viking, I appreciate your post, but this is what I'm trying to say, these are the common misconceptions of it all, it wasn't this "Current generation" that did these things, yeah it was, these things have happened as less than 30 years ago



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