Obama declares national state of emergency over Libya

reply to post by PrimePorkchop


Three things.

1) With an approval rating as low as it is, has it occured to you that it's not just the republicans taking obama to task?

2) Doing something isn't really the issue, it's doing the right thing that people look for, this isn't it.

3) People are allowed to disagree with the president. Learn to understand this fact and accept that it happens. Just because they disagree with someone you agree with doesn't make it whining. This could have just as easily been. (Note: I am jumping to a conclusion by assuming you agree with him, but since you started by jumping to conclusions I feel I'm justified)

Bush does nothing = Democrates complain
Bush does something = Democrates Complain.

Examine the source of your irritation.

Pfffth.. More like the u.s wants to be the first to grab the spoils when libya collapses.. National emergency what a fooking joke...

reply to post by ugie1028


Sure i understand, its just that way too much focuss was placed on Egypt that had nothing to offer or could impact the global economy and yet the media was all over it. Yet, we come to Libya that obviously impacts the global economy and so you can obviously see what is at hand.

My best and wisheses to your nationals on a safe return.

Just for your info......I started a thread last year on the Elite/government actions we should watch out for if there was any substance in the threat of a real SHTF scenario.

Apart from the usual high profile/rich people going missing there was also government shutdown and "Military/National states of emergency being initiated for weird or strange reasons.

So, just before Obamas government closes down he calls a state of emergency and all before the 4th/5th March.

Kinda makes you wonder? eh?

respects

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by tristar
Sadly noone is viewing international feedback. way way before Obama said anything. The fact that thousands of Chinese citizens were evacuated has obviously no impact within ats or the media outlests. The fact that French, German, Spanish, U.K, Italian, Russian citizens has obviously not been thrown into the idtio box. People, you really should research into several things.

And we were trying to get our citizens out of Egypt too, and our journalists were being attacked more than once by the frenzied mob. Please tell me what's different about Libya?

He has served his leadership but refuses to uphold his agreemant.

My best wishes to your nationals.

Originally posted by captiva

So, just before Obamas government closes down he calls a state of emergency and all before the 4th/5th March.

respects

In the off chance you may say i am who ever, there will be no change in leadership as you have stated. It is well accepted on a global scale as to what the administration is doing.

* Hint, why is russia so quiet *

and with that statement,
1 US Navy SEAL Team have
disembarked from the USS Dallas
Submarine and another SEAL
team from the USS Ronald Reagen.

Their orders?

To take out Gaddhafi by any means
necessary or at their disposal.

Oh and that would not include the 3
CIA hitmen from Jordan, Syria and Sudan
already enroute to Libya who have been
activated.

Just a couple possible scenarios
that Clancy might have thrown in

Originally posted by PrimePorkchop
reply to post by kdial1

 

Obama does nothing = Republicans moan and cry
Obama does something = Republicans moan and cry

Do you people listen to yourselves?

Not even a week ago - some of you in this very thread were off complaining that Obama was not "doing enough" to help Libya.

I hope you don't think highly of yourselves...

and p.s. - why do you "Minimods" jump at ANY opportunity that you can to post completely worthless non sense like "This thread is already posted!!!"

let the mods handle it. my god its pathetic.

edit on 26-2-2011 by PrimePorkchop because: (no reason given)

Obama just crowned himself Emperor - you have no problem with the total destruction of the American republic, so long as Obama does it?

You don't deserve liberty - in fact you don't deserve breath.

Very disturbing move,

Just in time for a possible government shutdown too.

Does this not mean that the US is now about to be under 2 state-of-emergency decrees? I don't remember hearing about the Swine Flu decree being revoked, but I may have missed that.

reply to post by kdial1


The executive order itself condemns the "wanton violence against unarmed associates" perpetrated by Qaddafi, his sons, his government, and his close associates. Effective immediately, all U.S.-based assets of Qaddafi and his four sons are to be frozen and transactions intended to move those assets are prohibited. The order allows the measures to be expanded to include any member of the Libyan government who are determined to be complicit in Qaddafi's brutality

This applies to how we deal with THEM...not with our own nation....but with their funds,within our nation....Geeze get a remedial english course....

Was there a state of national emergency invoked before we invaded Iraq(either time)?
I am fairly certain that the new directive has never been put into effect before. What sort of danger does the current situation in Libya pose to us that Iraq did not? Oil? The situation was much more grave when the Strait of Homuz was involved, IMO.

reports are coming in now,...... m moore and sean penn says its peaceful over there no need for a regime change, oh sorry obama is in, uh uh sean penn now says get the sucker

eqypt nothing to offer? it controls the suez canal, neighbors Israel. local pasttime is persecuting chritians, yea who cares right. the last guy was bad, but now that obama is in charge, i mean army they are getting worse treatment. you get what you ask for i guess sometimes.

**clears throat"""

WTF???? Can the Pres of th U.S. declare national emergency over another country?

Wow ....Im an independent and this is just scary

Obama is doing the equivalent of, "yeah, what he said!" Coming from the now, 3rd ranked country in the world (economically) it's about as potent as a condemnation from Haiti.

He's making noise but for the past 2 years has reduced the potency of American threats to a pillow fight. It is a weak and empty gesture.

Just a humble opinion, of course.

Consider that Obama just signed a 3 month extension of the Patriot Act O inks Patriot on Friday.

And consider the fact that the FCC is making moves to allow the President direct ability to make special emergency announcements via our nations Emergency Alert System and also via broadband interruptions.

FCC: Presidential emergency alerts to be tested,www.abovetopsecret.com...

Makes me think that Libya has been deliberately left in the pressure cooker for a little too long. Libya seems to be the catalyst to enhance further reactions in the Middle East.

This really isnt anything new US has declared states of emergency to other countries several times, most recent being done by both Clinton and Bush in response to terroism which is a more broad stroking brush than a state of emergency over one country.

As for having a low approaval rating at around 48 percent. Republican Demi-God Ronald Regan held the same approval rating after the same amount of time as President of the United States.

In my opinion, Obama is trying not to be viewed as weak on foriegn policy. During the elections this was one of his critisizms in response to foreign policy and national defense. I dont feel anything will come of this. Its just political posturing.

Originally posted by kdial1

Obama declares national state of emergency over Libya

thecable.foreignpolicy.com

"I have determined that the actions of Colonel Muammar Qaddafi, his government, and close associates, including extreme measures against the people of Libya, constitute an unusual and extraordinary threat to the national security and foreign policy of the United States. The order declares a national emergency to deal with this threat," Obama wrote in the letter to House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH).

(visit the link for the full news article)

African leaders oppose NATO over Gadaffi
Friday, 17th June, 2011


AT a meeting between the UN Security Council and the African Union High Level Ad hoc Committee on Libya on June 15, Dr Ruhakana Rugunda, Uganda’s Permanent Representative to the United Nations gave the African Union’s stand on NATO’s invasion of Libya. Below is the full statement

Mr. President,

1 . Thank you for organising this interactive dialogue. It is good that the United Nations Security Council has met the African Union (AU) Mediation Committee (High-Level Ad hoc Committee on Libya) so that we can exchange views on the situation in Libya in a candid manner. This should have happened much earlier because Libya is a founding member of the AU.

An attack on Libya or any other member of the African Union without express agreement by the AU is a dangerous provocation that should be avoided given the relaxed international situation in the last 20 years since the release of Nelson Mandela from jail and the eventual freedom of South Africa.

2. The UN is on safer ground if it confines itself on maintaining international peace and deterring war among member states.

3 . Intervening in internal affairs of States should be avoided except where there is proof of genocide or imminent genocide as happened in Rwanda or against the Jews in Germany and the European countries that were occupied by the Third Reich.

4. There are differences on the issue of Libya as to whether there was proof of genocide or intended genocide. Fighting between Government troops and armed insurrectionists is not genocide. It is civil war.

It is the attack on unarmed civilians with the aim of exterminating a particular group that is genocide – to exterminate the genes of targeted groups such as the Jews, Tutsis, etc. It is wrong to characterise every violence as genocide or imminent genocide so as to use it as a pretext for the undermining of the sovereignty of States.

Certainly, sovereignty has been a tool of emancipation of the peoples of Africa who are beginning to chart transformational paths for most of the African countries after centuries of predation by the slave trade, colonialism and neo-colonialism.

Careless assaults on the sovereignty of African Countries are, therefore, tantamount to inflicting fresh wounds on the destiny of the African peoples. If foreign invasions, meddlings, interventions, etc, were a source of prosperity, then, Africa should be the richest continent in the world because we have had all versions of all that: slave trade, colonialism and neo-colonialism. Yet, Africa has been the most wretched on account of that foreign meddling.

5 . Whatever the genesis of the intervention by NATO in Libya, the AU called for dialogue before the UN resolutions 1970 and 1973 and after those Resolutions.

Ignoring the AU for three months and going on with the bombings of the sacred land of Africa has been high-handed, arrogant and provocative. This is something that should not be sustained.

To a discerning mind, such a course is dangerous. It is unwise for certain players to be intoxicated with technological superiority and begin to think they alone can alter the course of human history towards freedom for the whole of mankind. Certainly, no constellation of states should think that they can recreate hegemony over Africa.

6. The safer way is to use the ability to talk, to resolve all problems.

7 . The UN or anybody acting on behalf of the UN must be neutral in relation to the internal affairs of states. Certainly, that should be the case with respect to African countries. The UN should not take sides in a civil war. The UN should promote dialogue, peaceful resolution of conflicts, and help in enforcing agreements arrived at after negotiations such as the agreement on the Sudan.

8. Regardless of the genesis of the Libyan problem, the correct way forward now is dialogue without pre-conditions. The demand by some countries that Col. Muammar Gadaffi must go first before the dialogue is incorrect. Whether Gadaffi goes or stays is a matter for the Libyan people to decide. It is particularly wrong when the demand for Gadaffi’s departure is made by outsiders.

9 . In order for dialogue, without pre-conditions, to take place, we need a ceasefire in place that should be monitored by the AU troops among others. This will help the AU to confirm the veracity of the stories of Gadaffi killing civilians intentionally.

10 . That dialogue should agree on the way forward in the direction of introducing competitive politics. Gadaffi thinks he has the most democratic system in the world of people’s authority, elected local committees. Since so much chaos in Libya has emerged on the issue, Gadaffi should see the wisdom of accepting competitive democracy.

Gadaffi cannot ignore the fact that the rebels took over Benghazi and his authority melted away before NATO came in to confuse the picture. The pre-NATO uprising in Benghazi was, mainly, internal. Gadaffi may say that they were organised by Al Qaeda. Even if that is so, it is a fact that some Libyans in Benghazi threw out Gadaffi’s authority. Therefore, Gadaffi must think of and agree to reforms, resulting into competitive politics.

11 . A transitional mechanism could, then, be worked out and competitive elections would take place after an agreed timetable.

12 . What about security for the opposition members? We have plenty of experience on such issues. What did we do in Burundi? We provided a protection force (a brigade) for the Hutu leaders who were living outside Burundi or were in the bush. One of them is now the President of Burundi after winning democratic elections.

13. How about those who are alleged to have committed war crimes – including Gadaffi and the rebels? Again, our decision in Burundi is useful here. We used the concept of “immunité provisoire” (provisional immunity), for all the stakeholders so that they could participate in the dialogue. After peace is realised, then a Truth and Reconciliation body could be set up to look into these matters. After democratic elections, trials of guilty parties can take place.

14. Long-term safety of everybody can be ensured by security sector reform and especially reform of the army, so that it takes orders from any elected President.

15 . The intervention in Libya was premised on the basis of protecting civilians and preventing further civilian deaths. However, the humanitarian situation in Libya remains serious and continues to get worse with continued hostilities.

Looking at how resolutions 1970 and 1973 are being implemented, the international community and the United Nations in particular, are being severely put to the test, as what is happening in Libya will undermine future efforts of the UN in the protection of civilians. There is, therefore, no need for any war-like activities in Libya because there is a peaceful way forward.

There has been no need for these war activities, ever since Gadaffi accepted dialogue when the AU mediation Committee visited Tripoli on April 10, 2011. Any war activities after that have been provocation for Africa. It is an unnecessary war. It must stop.

16. The story that the rebels cannot engage in dialogue unless Gadaffi goes away does not convince us. If they do not want dialogue, then, let them fight their war with Gadaffi without NATO bombing. Then, eventually, a modus vivendus will emerge between the two parties or one of them will be defeated. The attitude of the rebels shows us the danger of external involvement in internal affairs of African countries.

The externally sponsored groups neglect dialogue and building internal consensus and, instead, concentrate on winning external patrons. This cannot be in the interest of that country. Mobutu’s Congo as well as performance of all the other neo-colonies of Africa in the 1960s, 1970s, 1980s and their eventual collapse in the 1990s prove that foreign sponsored groups are of no value to Africa.

17 . It is essential that the UN Security Council works with the African Union to ensure that a ceasefire is immediately established with an effective and verifiable monitoring mechanism and dialogue embarked upon, leading to a political process including transitional arrangements and the necessary reforms. The crisis in Libya requires a political solution and not a military one; and the AU Road Map is the most viable option.

Finally, what is needed on the issue of Libya is a genuine partnership between the United Nations Security Council and the African Union. By working together we can find a lasting solution to the crisis in Libya.

I thank you.

(Source: www.newvision.co.ug...)

This basically means the following...,
Obama had intel but simply refused to abide by it and instead decided to go at it alone based solely on his own judgement.

Maybe he was right, maybe he was wrong,
...but what if we were talking about WMD's here!