Originally posted by MacSen191
Of course, with the democrats taking off... I don't know.

I saw a blogger say that the WI Dems are holed up
in the Heritage Inn in Harvard IL.
Don't know if that's true or not.

I have a family member that works for part the union apparatus, there will be many union workers and members driving to WI from IL to join the protests. Some left last night, to join today, others will be arriving for Monday. Just a heads up, if it has not yet been reported.

Kind of proves how selective the cops are.
If they can't follow orders, maybe they should be flipping burgers.
The hypocrasy in the whole thing isn't funny any more........they need to be unemployed, as do the teachers.

Originally posted by whaaa
This is just union busting to keep free men from gathering together and bargaining in their own best interest.
That's called Fascism and tyranny.

Disagree. It's called "Free market labor policy" and it states, essentially, you either take the job for the pay offered, or you choose not to take the job and work elsewhere. Fascism and tyranny would be telling them "You cannot unionize and you cannot look for a different job. You must remain in this job until we tell you you are free to leave." I understand that the English language has been modified over time and many words have taken on altered definitions, but please let's not insult the historical victims of true fascism and tyranny by attempting to apply those loaded terms in relation toa situation where the reality is far, far less severe than what those terms should apply to. If Scott Walker was holding a pistol to the worker's heads and ordering them back to work, OK... I'll stand there with you and join in your complaint.

There is a reason why a deunionized state is frequently referred to as a "right to work" state. When you have a state where the union holds the power, NOBODY has the right to work unless they genuflect to the union and become a PAID member of said union. To me, that is a much more appropriate example of tyranny. Those who desire to work in that field are being told "You must belong to our union to work here." All Walker is trying to do is open a path in which all qualified workers can work and can go back to what we should be at anyway... a system where your compensation depends on what you are doing in your job, what differences you are making, what benefit you actually are to your employers (the tax payers!) rather than being based on what strong armed tactics and threats of shutdowns your cronies and strike forces are demanding.

Originally posted by adifferentbreed
Kind of proves how selective the cops are.
If they can't follow orders, maybe they should be flipping burgers.
The hypocrasy in the whole thing isn't funny any more........they need to be unemployed, as do the teachers.

Well, I for one am glad that the police don't mindlessly follow orders. However you feel about this particular situation aside, there are numerous threads about police brutality, or what would they do in a situation were the shtf.

If they were robots "just following orders" we would be a in world of crap. Good for them for looking at the problem and making their decision. I sure would hate to see a friend or family member hurt or dead because some cop or soldier was "just following orders".

I do not have a problem with unions in the private sector. However, I have a huge problem with them in the public sector. If a strike or protest happens in the public sector unions, the infrastructure is compromised! Some kids in WI didn't go to class last week because the majority of the teachers were at the capitol protesting. That is ridiculous! I hope the bill is passed. I believe it is time to reform how unions can control public infrastructure. They need to disallow public sector unions and continue to allow private unions.

Has the public sector unions really helped the police, firefighters and teachers? I think not. Those are some of the most under paid jobs across the country! So, tell me, how have the unions made these people's lives better? The unions just take their dues and give them a nickle raise a year. I have never been in a union, but I can tell you that I have recieved a lot better than a nickle raise every sngle year for the past 10 years straight. Unions do nothing for their employees but take their dues and act as if they are helping them when in fact they do not care at all. I have also seen this first hand in the UAW Local 1155.

Originally posted by burdman30ott6

Originally posted by whaaa
This is just union busting to keep free men from gathering together and bargaining in their own best interest.
That's called Fascism and tyranny.

Disagree. It's called "Free market labor policy" and it states, essentially, you either take the job for the pay offered, or you choose not to take the job and work elsewhere.

Actually no, it's not that straight forward. Employer offered a job, the employer says he can only offer you competitive wages that is not enough for you to live on, you refuse to accept it, other applicants collectively agree, and there is assentially nobody in town that the business can look to who will accept their position, so, like a good capitalist business, the employer has no choice but to increase the wage income offered, The employer is not being forced to increase it, and the candidate employees are not being forced to accept the wages. The employer just has no choice but to increase what is offered and accept they cannot cut corners anymore.

Now, ofcourse it's not that simple now a days. Businesses are able to find far more cheaper employement overseas or through hiring illegals, and they get away with it everytime with tax cuts because we have a segment of the population continiously protecting their actions. Obviously with these recessionary times, despite the record profits of many businesses, people are still being cut out of a decent living. Unions are not as influencial as they once were, but as they stand, they are the only option of many individual employees or the unemployed desperate seeking a living.

Nobody is arguing here that businesses should be obligated to hire Union workers or abide by union rules, that is utter BS. What is at core here in argument is the necessary function of unions, but people like you would be so naive to insist the employer is looking out for our best interests all the time. That is nonsense.