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Originally posted by masqua
What happens to us after getting attacked like this is a normal human reaction to trollery and the only recourse seemingly available would be to react with outrage in the thread it happened in.
That's a problem, though, because experienced trolls just LOVE to see bruised egos.
Originally posted by Jinglelord
While I understand and agree it is inappropriate to simply call another member a shill if this is a thought that is important to the further discussion might there be an acceptable way to convey the same message that is more conducive to logical intelligent debate?
1. a person who poses as a customer in order to decoy others into participating, as at a gambling house, auction, confidence game, etc.
2. a person who publicizes or praises something or someone for reasons of self-interest, personal profit, or friendship or loyalty.
–verb (used without object)
3. to work as a shill: He shills for a large casino.
–verb (used with object)
4. to advertise or promote (a product) as or in the manner of a huckster; hustle: He was hired to shill a new TV show.
For example if I felt a person was a shill I know it would be libelous to just go out and say "You're a shill!"
but would it violate T&Cs to say something to the effect of "XYZ is the exact opinion of entity X for which I can find no logical proof.
This leads me to believe you are a shill or at the very least behaving like one.
Can you please provide supporting evidence for opinion XYZ or try to refute my opinion ABC for which I have already laid out backing evidence?"
See what I have said is exactly the same thing except it is clear to me that it is not trolling or libelous. Would ATS TPTB agree?
I can only speak for myself, but whenever I'm first to see a complaint, I check it out to see if it's a viable because some are completely unfounded when the Terms and Conditions are taken into account. If it's an obvious transgression of our rules, I make the needed change right away, whether that's a simple edit or more.
Other times, it's not so simple. Much of what we see in complaints are borderline T&C infractions which means that other staffers are called in for their opinion and the consensus then rules for what we do.
It's not a perfect system but, over the years that I've moderated here on ATS, I see us getting much better at responding to alerts.
Originally posted by backinblack
reply to post by inkyminds
Finally you add some truth to this thread..
Originally posted by mishigas
Well, speaking for myself, I'd much rather work under a system with zero tolerance than the way it is now. Right now, it is much too arbitrary a system; there is absolutely no consistency in the way posts are moderated. And there are certainly "favorites" played here.
But the biggest flaw in the current alert system is the lack of feedback to the members. Allegedly you can request a response to your complaint, but good luck! The best you will get is a rubberstamp reply "We're very busy" or "Even though you may not see it, it's being worked on in the background". Then you'll get a reputation as a whiner, which automatically slaps a "Go back to the end of the line. And be quiet!" tag on you.( j/k).
I don't mean to stir things up, but that's the way I see them.