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Originally posted by Itisnowagain
reply to post by Shamatt
Have you ever heard the saying; The proof is in the pudding.
Only when tasted will it be known.
Originally posted by bettermakings
Yeah, um, pretty much everything this guy Frye says is wrong. I watched the videos. First he talks about purgatory, baptism, etc. . . Well, if you ask a knowledgeable Catholic, they'd explain where in the Bible it's all in. Some of the stuff Frye says is just outright lying. Unbaptized don't go to hell, for example. The Catholic Church can never say anyone is going to hell. When Frye quotes Ratzinger, it was from before he became the current pope, so does not represent the Catholic Church. Frye mostly uses the past abominations of the Catholic Church of course, then mentions child abuse, but the problem with child abuse/rape is that it is against Catholicism. Frye mentions Ratzinger (again before he became pope so doesn't represent Catholic teaching) against homosexuality, yet the Catholic Church is one of the most homosexual-friendly churches. Gays can go to heaven in Catholicism. Females can't become priests, because Jesus was a man, so if Catholicism is sexist, so is all Christianity. Finally he mentions condom use. The fact is, condom-use doesn't protect against HIV/AIDS (If AIDS is even actually caused by a virus called HIV). The virus is the smallest lifeform, if it is even considered a lifeform, and passes through condoms. Condoms are for birth control, plain & simple. Come on ATS, can't you see a conspiracy right in front of your eyes! The Catholic Church is the biggest helper of the poor in the world. In almost every country there is a Catholic Mission helping the poor with education, food, clean water, and other basic necessities of life. (Final note: I'm not Catholic; I'm just a Theist, but I do think the Catholic Church is a force for good in the world.)
Originally posted by bettermakings
Yeah, um, pretty much everything this guy Frye says is wrong. I watched the videos. First he talks about purgatory, baptism, etc. . . Well, if you ask a knowledgeable Catholic, they'd explain where in the Bible it's all in. Some of the stuff Frye says is just outright lying. Unbaptized don't go to hell, for example. The Catholic Church can never say anyone is going to hell. When Frye quotes Ratzinger, it was from before he became the current pope, so does not represent the Catholic Church. Frye mostly uses the past abominations of the Catholic Church of course, then mentions child abuse, but the problem with child abuse/rape is that it is against Catholicism. Frye mentions Ratzinger (again before he became pope so doesn't represent Catholic teaching) against homosexuality, yet the Catholic Church is one of the most homosexual-friendly churches. Gays can go to heaven in Catholicism. Females can't become priests, because Jesus was a man, so if Catholicism is sexist, so is all Christianity. Finally he mentions condom use. The fact is, condom-use doesn't protect against HIV/AIDS (If AIDS is even actually caused by a virus called HIV). The virus is the smallest lifeform, if it is even considered a lifeform, and passes through condoms. Condoms are for birth control, plain & simple. Come on ATS, can't you see a conspiracy right in front of your eyes! The Catholic Church is the biggest helper of the poor in the world. In almost every country there is a Catholic Mission helping the poor with education, food, clean water, and other basic necessities of life. (Final note: I'm not Catholic; I'm just a Theist, but I do think the Catholic Church is a force for good in the world.)
Originally posted by bettermakings
Yeah, um, pretty much everything this guy Frye says is wrong.
I watched the videos. First he talks about purgatory, baptism, etc. . . Well, if you ask a knowledgeable Catholic, they'd explain where in the Bible it's all in.
Some of the stuff Frye says is just outright lying.
Unbaptized don't go to hell, for example.
The Catholic Church can never say anyone is going to hell.
When Frye quotes Ratzinger, it was from before he became the current pope, so does not represent the Catholic Church.
Frye mostly uses the past abominations of the Catholic Church of course, then mentions child abuse, but the problem with child abuse/rape is that it is against Catholicism.
Frye mentions Ratzinger (again before he became pope so doesn't represent Catholic teaching)
against homosexuality, yet the Catholic Church is one of the most homosexual-friendly churches.
Gays can go to heaven in Catholicism.
Females can't become priests, because Jesus was a man, so if Catholicism is sexist, so is all Christianity.
Finally he mentions condom use. The fact is, condom-use doesn't protect against HIV/AIDS (If AIDS is even actually caused by a virus called HIV).
The virus is the smallest lifeform, if it is even considered a lifeform, and passes through condoms.
Condoms are for birth control, plain & simple.
Come on ATS, can't you see a conspiracy right in front of your eyes!
The Catholic Church is the biggest helper of the poor in the world.
In almost every country there is a Catholic Mission helping the poor with education, food, clean water, and other basic necessities of life.
(Final note: I'm not Catholic; I'm just a Theist, but I do think the Catholic Church is a force for good in the world.)
Originally posted by Shamatt
The virus is not the smallest life form. You got that worng, by the way. Google "Archaea microbe" and see what that brings up.
Originally posted by ShamattYou also mention the abuse of children, and state quite correctly that this is against catholicism. Although I do wonder why that is all you have to say about it? Surely, if it is seen to be so wrong in the the eyes of the catolic church, the head of that church would not choose to cover it up, and instruct senior church members to cover it up? And what Ratzinger said before he became pope is still his opinion!
Originally posted by Vicky32
..... As for the belief, that many atheists seem to seriously get off on
Originally posted by Vicky32
that all priests molest little boys, a little bit of common sense will tell you two things - most, probably 99.9 % of priests have not and never will molest any child, and second, that other categories of people are far more statistically significant as molesters. Step-daddies and sports coaches head the list (hence my signature).
Vicky
Originally posted by Shamatt
A little harsh don't you think? We don't get off on bad news you know.
I agree with you completely, you are totally right in what you say. What you don't do though, is comment on my statement regarding the pontif doing his very best to cover up this behaviour in the church rather than throw the guilty parties on the mercy of the legal system. Why would he cover it up, and instruct others to do the same? I don't understand that. That is the point, I make no argument that this does not happen in other areas of life too. Of courtse it does. It is wrong wherever it may happen. So why protect the guilty inside the church?
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
reply to post by Vicky32
Ratzinger (as he was known at the time) most definitively covered things up in his previous position within the church. This comes up with just a simple Google search.
Here's another one.
And another
Wow, even more
I can keep going
This could take a while
I'm really suprised you've never heard anything about this...
Also, your appeal to emotion is frankly sickening. The guy can claim to feel as broken up as he wants about it, you can say you feel it, but honestly who give a flying fornication about what this guy feels? He has yet to enact any sort of reforms that would protect children, he's yet to turn many priests who the Church undoubtedly has evidence on to justice, and he's consistently deflected the problem publicly.
Originally posted by madnessinmysoul
You see, some people actually keep track of all the religious child abuse.
Originally posted by Shamatt
I was going to write a sensible reply, giving you the evidence you requested (Easily found if you know how to use google) but then I thought "Why the hell should I"
In all my exchanges with you on this thread I have been polite and stated my case calmly. On the other hand, you insist on being insulting and rude:
"...I am almost certain you'd sooner gouge your eyes than read it..." It is an insult that you accuse me of being so closed minded
"And of course you get off on bad news!" Insult number 2
"Allegations of abuse,....... are the best news you guys could ever get!" Insulting , and an attack on my characher too.
Did you even realise how rude you were being? So go google yor own answers. I have no respect for someone who is unable to debate without attacking and being rude.edit on 28-3-2011 by Shamatt because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Vicky32
Oh dear, I am sorry.. Sorry for thinking what a pleasant person you were! I was feeling bad about having been rude to you, especially after having come up against a #load of abuse from Madness... Then I saw this.
You made the claim, you provide the proof, that's how it's supposed to work, isn't it?
But on the other hand, you can provide links til the cows come home, I am not following them. I am not following this thread at all!
Sei veramente un coglione...
V.
Originally posted by Shamatt
I don't understand you hon. You say you were feeling bad for being rude, then after I point out that you were rude you decide that I am not a pleasant person, and you are rude again.
And to think i once thought you may have been capable of intelligent debate.
Originally posted by Shamatt
reply to post by Vicky32
Yeah, whatever. I have a new rule in life. I am not going to have a battle of whits with someone who is unarmed.
Too much rubish is talked on this forum.
If anylne has anything intelligent to say on this subject, that would really cheer me up. If you can only manage ill-educated, biggoted, ignorant non-scientific magical twaddle then please don't bother posting. I have enough problems with my own reality without having to be subjected to yours!