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Why do Liberals Hate freedom of speech?

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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:14 AM
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Originally posted by 88solarman88
Liberals censor or try to anything they dont like,


We do? I think this is a severe case of projection. WHat we're actually doing is making sure to broadcast everything that YOU dislike.


its the same in UK with other far left partys. I agree some words may offend people but now its getting beyond a joke.


The UK has "far left" parties? I admit, I'm not a Brit, so I'm not up-to-the-minute, but it seems that there's not really a very strong Left over there; much like the US, it appears to be more centrist. Are you perhaps just counting everyone who's not part of the BNP to be "FAR LEFT"?


Recently a comedian called Frankie Boyle was pulled off air in the UK for some jokes about muslims and suicide bombers which was deemed offensive by the Equalties comminision.


Actually it seems to be due to extensive use of racial slurs, suggesting that a mentally handicapped boy wanted to rape his own mother, and lots of jokes about dead soldiers, rape, and other such cheerful things. This is on top of an already spotty record he has on such things. It seems to be an instance of Channel 4 finally getting fed up and cutting him loose from their roster, after three years of supporting him.


Racism against white people also goes un-noticed by liberals who allow the use of of words such as whitey and cracker, hey I have no problem with that! Im not a glass gut who cant take a joke but liberals are.


No, we notice. However, we think words like "whitey" and "cracker" are pretty funny. it's funnier still when Stupid White People try to claim that these terms are even close to say, "ni**er." I could give you a big ol' sociology lesson on why one word is bad and the other is not, but I suspect I'd be wasting my time. Suffice it to say, "whitey" does not have five hundred years of enslavement, murder, and oppression behind it. The words might convey similar dictionary entries, but the actual meanings go much further.


Now go ahead and report me for being a neo nazi who wants to kill million of jews because thats what all anti liberals are right
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No, but they do seem to be uniformly hyperbolic and deeply mired in their own ignorance.


Get a grip America and UK! Soon we wont be allowed to look at people the wrong way!


Sure you will; I doubt you even know how to look at people in any other way, frankly.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:18 AM
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Any student of History and Politics will see that liberals keep doing the same things when they feel inconvenienced.



In a move that has drawn criticism as an attack on judicial independence in Venezuela, President Hugo Chavez has jailed a criminal court judge. Her transgression, critics of Chavez say, was straying too far from what the government wants.


Full Article

Their whole philosophy started out with feeling inconvenienced by some vague "powers" and they dont quit feeling inconvenienced later when they are in power.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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Originally posted by lucid eyes

Those items not being appropriate for a job-interview is one thing. Outlawing them another thing. Liberals make a mockery out of decency and mutual respect by trying to violently enforce good behavior.Thats the whole problem of liberalism - trying to force their views on others instead of going by "live and let live".


Enforcement of views and conformism has been branded on liberalism quite considerably due to the progressive nature of finding common ground between all men. The point it an attempt to reach a common decency where a man can walk down the street, regardless of race, creed, sexual orientation, etc and feel as free as the next man.

Supression of views and the expression of those are not solely limited to extreme left-wing parties. Do your research into both sides and you will see each extreme side of the spectrum is guilty of impossing oppressive agendas on the populace.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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I think you're mistaking pity for hate. We just sort of shake out heads and giggle behind your back.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:21 AM
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Just a quick question about Chavez? was he democratically elected?

I just checked, yes he was democratically elected and has used billions from oil to pull the impoverished out of the slums. Sounds a real bad guy to me.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr
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Just a quick question about Chavez? was he democratically elected?


Yes, certainly. People are always naively enthusiastic about liberals ideals in the beginning...until years later they realize that their utopia has not arrived.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:28 AM
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But Chavez has used billions in oil money to pull the impoverished out of their slums and creating a strong economy. Sounds like he's doing a good job to me. seem s pretty popular too. Now why cant we have something like that in the west, rather than giving our billions to greedy bankers



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:31 AM
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I'm what you might call a liberal and I don't give a flying freck what anybody says, if you ask me pc bs is a way of pretending to have liberal values without spending any money.

Take the "N" word I hardly heard it ever in the first 25 years of my life, in the last 20 I hear it all the time, if you wana say it to a black guy make sure you're tougher than him cause he aint getting a pig he's gona punch your mouth, so it's not a legal issue it's a toughness or bravery issue.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:33 AM
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Yeah, that's because it's called 'private life' and it has more to do with respecting an individuals privacy, than their inability to talk about it.

Liberals don't hate freedom of speech. They hate the fact that conservatives actions are based on emotion, and often hate. They show no sympathy, empathy etc, it's just about telling others publicly that this person is clearly an idiot. The irony is that often the conservative is wrong, but because he's yelling he's right.. just like bill o'reilly.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:54 AM
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Blanket statements, Blanket statements everywhere.

Grow up.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by woodwardjnr

But Chavez has used billions in oil money to pull the impoverished out of their slums and creating a strong economy. Sounds like he's doing a good job to me. seem s pretty popular too. Now why cant we have something like that in the west, rather than giving our billions to greedy bankers


Actually, without banking and oil, Chavez socialism would be extremely difficult to sustain.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 06:08 AM
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Yep, and without the sun, gardening would be very hard, too.

The oil is there. The banking is there. So the system works.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:55 AM
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Which sides hates protesters and which Governor was just caught wishing to plant insurgents in a protest to stifle and hinder free speech and the right to protest and who was it that called for "Free Speech Zones"?

Answers, Gov. Scott Walker (WI) and 43 W Bush. Both GOP slime.

Get real, go away and go get a hobby as you have been seriously misinformed.

Under whose watch was it that we almost lost The Constitution? The GOP that is correct and 100% factual!


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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:11 AM
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Actually Liberals are all for freedom of speech, and Conservatives are traditionally against the 1st Amendment to the United States Constitution. As this is in the US Political Madness forum, I will address Liberals and Conservatives in their US demographics.

Let's look at history shall we?

In 2008 during this last election the RNC had dictated "free speech zones" to pen in people who went against their agenda.

Election 2008: Republican National Convention CEO


Republican National Convention president and CEO Maria Cino was online Wednesday, July 23 at 1 p.m. ET to discuss preparations and plans for the Sept. 1-4 convention, and questions you might have about Minneapolis-St. Paul, Minn.

The transcript follows.

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Harrisburg, Pa.: Will Bob Dole be in attendance? If so, will he speak to the convention?

Maria Cino: We are looking forward to welcoming several all-star guests and speakers. We are currently developing our program and will announce the lineup in the near future.

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New Orleans: How far away are protestors being kept away, and are you concerned that critics are going to claim Republicans are stifling free expression by not letting protestors nearer to the media?

Maria Cino: The Saint Paul Police Department along with Secret Service considers safety, security and mobility its top priorities for all convention participants. Local law enforcement will designate the free speech zones.


Fascist free speech zones for people who disagreed with their policies.

In this next article, we have Conservatives using their 1st Amendment rights to try and stifle the 1st Amendment rights of others.

Protesters rally against, for planned Islamic center in New York


With chants and banners, opponents of the planned construction of an Islamic community center and mosque near ground zero faced off Sunday with demonstrators in favor of the facility.

Hundreds of critics and supporters of the proposed center in New York showed up despite an overcast and drizzly sky to express their views amid the national debate over the facility.

Police estimated that supporters of the center numbered up to 250, and critics numbered about 450 during the demonstration.


This happened all over the country and not just in New York. Anywhere someone wanted to build a place of worship for their constitutionally protected 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion, it was protested against like these people were rejects from the Westboro Baptist Church.

Even closer to home, here on ATS, we have people that want to restrict the 1st Amendment rights of people:

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How about seeing him sitting down with the congressional leadership trying to hammer out a budget agreement rather than sticking his nose into a state issue (Wisconsin)?


Here we have someone on ATS who wants to remove the president's 1st Amendment right to Freedom of Speech. According to this poster the POTUS shouldn't have the right to an Opinion but instead should ignore things that are going on in this country.

Liberals do accept Freedom of Speech, it's Conservatives who want to limit it, it's Conservatives who want to stifle this freedom.



Listen to this and you will see how the Conservative movement wants to stifle Freedom of Speech in this country.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:28 AM
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Political correctness is a cancer and it is slowly destroying our society. What is so awful about the truth that we must hide behind false ideas and never speak of things which offend people? It's all total hor#. People need thicker skin.

I cannot even find XMas cookies anymore!
Somehow, celebrating X-Mas in the United States has become offensive to Jewish people. Can someone please explain this to me? Why does the idea of "Merry Christmas" offend anyone? Christmas isn't exactly a celebration of Birkenau. What has happened to people?
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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Originally posted by spinalremain


I cannot even find XMas cookies anymore!
Somehow, celebrating X-Mas in the United States has become offensive to Jewish people. Can someone please explain this to me? Why does the idea of "Merry Christmas" offend anyone? Christmas isn't exactly a celebration of Birkenau. What has happened to people?
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Someone could feel left out or inconvenienced if I celebrate Christmas. Even only saying "Christ-mas" and not the politically correct x-mas is a severe violation of a liberals feelings.

The funny thing is that liberals are more offended by the word "Christ-mas" than muslims and jews who fully understand the idea of cultural rituals and customs.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:40 AM
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They only want freedom of speech to apply to them and no one else. Let us no also forget that it is this group who allows racists to hide behind the 1st to spew racist and hateful rhetoric. Star for you!

Let me school everyone else on one simple fact :

The reality is that the 1st only applies to talking yip yap on the leadership in our nation and is forbidden from using the freedom to infringe, derail, hinder another's right to free speech.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Originally posted by 88solarman88
Why do Liberals Hate freedom of speech?


For the same reason conservatives hate equal protection under the law (for gays) and freedom (for women's choices) I guess.


Stupid, political bait thread.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Let me end one myth right here right now before it's being touted all over Fox News, Liberals are for religious freedoms and will not ever deny someone their Constitutionally guaranteed rights and it wasn't a liberal who got this policy adopted but a bunch of Atheists who hate everyone and everything.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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liberals and freedom of speech...in the US there used to be something called the Fairness Doctrine, which stated a news/opinion program was required to present 'both sides' of issues. politicians from Joe McCarthy to Jim Garrison utilized this right to present 'equal time' rebuttals to what they considered unfair news segments.

Ronald Reagan ('conservative') pulled the plug on this based on...first amendment Freedom of Speech rights.

there is a move today among ('liberal') democrats in the US congress to bring back the FD in order to neutralize talk radio, which is dominated by conservative voices (Limbaugh, Hannity).

www.ubspectrum.com...

interestingly, liberals rant about Fox News' 'unfairness', but Fox constantly has liberal voices (Alan Colmes, Juan Williams) present the liberal viewpoints on their shows. one can watch CNN or PBS for hours without hearing any conservatives, let alone the hatemongers on MSNBC.
there is no talk of forcing PBS to be 'fair', even though it is paid for partly by tax dollars.

my theory is that leftists substitute politics for religion, and view dissenting speech as the equivalence of blasphemy. the left is values-based; thus, while a conservative views something like low taxes as a policy issue, leftists see this as a moral issue (high taxes on rich = moral good = justice, so anyone opposed is evil).
this results in a hatred and contempt for dissenters. evil stupid people don't deserve a forum.



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