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Can humans alter probability through thought alone

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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:32 AM
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One of the most interesting clips I have seen i a while. It may be some sort of bias error that we cant measure yet or is unmeasurable.

What I find it interesting is related to this 2012 thing. If enough people want to make it happen (the media pushing for us to believe it will happen), that this will reach some sort of critical subconscious mass and enable it to happen.

Thoughts?




posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:34 AM
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I try to make the lotto balls drop in my favour. Just quit smoking so give me a few weeks & il be rich. Now concentrate



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:36 AM
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While I enjoy your enthusiasm, I do have a degree in physics that's why I look at some things with skepticism, but if something is measurable and quantifiable, I may have a second look at it.

The most interesting thing to me in physics is quantum entanglement.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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have you seen that game where your brainwaves let you control a ball
through a obstetical course insane if we can do that with our thoughts
then i wander what else we can do

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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Excellent, I just had a protein shake & some shredded wheat. Oh & I like girls



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:44 AM
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that's not hard, your brainwaves can be picked up via EEG and transferred to a computerized system. I have seen videos of research into new generation of fighter planes where brain waves were used to control a plane without using a joystick.

BTW, did anyone watch the video?
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:53 AM
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The probability that a basketball will zip up off the floor and drop through the hoop is nearly 0%.

But with only the power of my thoughts, I can will parts of my body to pick up that ball and throw it towards the hoop, increasing the likely hood that it will go through to about 30% on a good day.

edit: I am reminded of a study where participants were shown pictures, while their brains were being measured in some way. When the pictures were pornographic, many people had a physical response to them milliseconds before the picture was shown.

This could be working on a similar mechanism as the random number generator in the video you posted.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Maybe your mind moved it half an atoms width, too small for our technology to measure. Maybe there is a collective limit to how much is capable.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:28 AM
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it is a statistical fact.

don't mention it.

third line.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:31 AM
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Do not try and bend the spoon. That's impossible. Instead... only try to realize the truth. Then you'll see, that it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:20 AM
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Really Great Thread.


The Beauty of Going With the Flow


The Divine Net of Miraculous Possibilities


Frequency Class - THE BASICS - pt 1

Linda West has been putting forth both videos to take action and say no to NWO and to raise our frequency and practice manifesting, to envision, a wonderful eden here on earth, with wide awake people, not a catastrophic 2012.

She also shows us how to raise our frequency, to replace low frequency things in our lives wih high ones, to put our lives in order, to week out the negativity and anger, lack of forgiveness, and forgive everyone and ourselves.

I had some success with her methods.

Law of Affinity and Affecting outcome are not necessarily the same thing, but I think there is a link.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:51 AM
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The following document has influenced my thinking a lot: www.fourmilab.ch...

What it basically says is that we might be able to somehow chose which part of the reality (of the ever branching quantum multiverse) we want to observe. If A and B are equally likely to happen they will both happen (in different parallel universes, many worlds interpretation, Everett, Tegmark) and if we somehow chose to observe outcome A then we will end up in the reality branch where A happens, somebody else might end up where B happens. We do not influence the reality - all possible realities exist in parallel - instead we (sub-)consciously navigate through this multiverse! Multiverse-Navigation!

This means we all have our very personal reality, of all possible universes we live in the one we chose to live. Subconsciously we navigated the branches of the branching universe towards where we are now. This would explain a lot of things. It would also explain why the law of attraction would work for *anybody* at the same time, even if they try to "attract" mutually exclusive things: They don't attract these things into our reality, instead they attract themselves towards those parts of reality where the desired things will happen.

This would also mean each of us is alone in his own part of the universe. All other people around us are only mirrors of our subconsciousness, they behave like we expected them to behave.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:09 AM
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I find that a verrry interesting "report." My personal view (therefore from my personal experiences) is that it is one of those very clever informational but disinformation pieces. It's goal is to appear unbiased but yet casts what appears to be a genuine doubt over the whole subject matter of psi powers. Its technique is to skim so quickly over the positive aspects of its subject that the viewer has scant time to respond to it with their own thinking. And my view of the ending is that it telling us that stuff really isn't real. Frankly, I found the commanding voice and rapid delivery still of the images eerie.

If we were to take ony the history of Remote Viewing (RV) in the US from start to where it seemed to have dribbled away, we would have all of the evidence you need for a phenomenal "something" that even at the onset was rigorously proven by CIA money in the early 1970s. And of course, it went on to be an US Army program for several years. And those who follow such work have no doubt but what such programs are still in operation but under deep cover for excellent reasons.

Then, there is the other way the subject can be approached. Having some knowledge of the process of Transendental Meditation, It also can give a reasonable argument for mass consciousness to affect physical matter and interestingly, the actions of others. Of course, while those concepts predate scientific work by thousands of years, few people take seriously those possibilities. We should all be wondering, however, if such powers do not exist and never have, why do their concepts linger?

(Now to alienate many of you even more: A decent knowledge and acceptance--admittedly that last word is hard to accept--of UFO abduction case where telepathy is employed by the ETs and used to communicate with the abdductees, leaves no doubt that such abilities exist in those creatures and can be activated within the human brain.)



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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I believe that your original question was whether or not all of humans expectations fr something to happen on 2012 may in fact cause something to happen.

As the whole climate around this sits at the moment, I say yes. But I'm not so sure if it comes down to a thoughts influencing reality scale like at the quantum scale or on the subject of all these fascinating discoveries i the field of physics (Which, despite not having a degree, I love reading about to no end.)

Here's the deal. Enough people expect something to happen that SOMETHING will happen even if what is expected doesn't. December 21 2012 will be a date that will be remember for some time, if not for the arrival of some grand awakening, or the arrival of a civilization destroying planetoid, then it will be for a sudden rash of outright stupid.

Remember the panic in y2k? You'd think we'd have learned our lesson. Facts are proving otherwise. y2k was rather small potatoes in comparison to what we are expecting here. I mean really, poor foresight in coding of computer systems, versus a change of all life. Small potatoes.

Now take that panic of that relatively small event, and keep in mind how many people mindlessly drone on without thinking. Throw in the creeping penetration of the phenomenon into media and the internet. Mix in a little hysteria. Throw in a pinch of 'it's the end of the world so let’s do all the things we couldn't before'. Mix it all together until it comes to its boiling point at 12 21 2012.

What do you get? Drunken parties. Suicidal deaths of people who don't want to face it. Riots and criminal behavior of those who don't believe in any form morals other than the rule of law, and since everything is coming apart then why not go nuts.

On the off chance something positive does happen, maybe it'll stop some of it, but too many people I know, even seemingly normal people, are letting their futures fall apart because 'it might not be here in few years'.

We've back ourselves into a corner. If you can keep a peaceful out look through this whole thing, by all means do, maybe someone is going to follow your example.

So once again, not really dealing with the main topic at hand. That's more dealing with human nature rather than the science of possibilities and expectations.



posted on Mar, 4 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL


What I find it interesting is related to this 2012 thing. If enough people want to make it happen (the media pushing for us to believe it will happen), that this will reach some sort of critical subconscious mass and enable it to happen.

Thoughts?


A self-fulfilling prophecy perhaps?

I just discovered these 2 videos last night [on these forums no doubt (= ] but they relate well with all this.

The secret life of plants. Plants reacted to stimuli such as smoke, thought, etc, when hooked up to measuring instruments.


Water has memory. Water molecules are influenced by our thoughts to form certain patterns or chaotic manifestations. This has all been measured and tested in the lab. Mind over matter never rang truer.



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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I looked up the water memory thing, there was a controversy in nature. Its probably in my magazines somewhere. I have every Nature magazine published since 1996 as well as everySciencee journal published since the 1800s on my computer. I mean I could try to find it but it was published in 1988...my digital library doesn't go back that far..



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 02:54 AM
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Ok I believe 100% that humans can affect their environment via thought. Now the reason you will never know for certain that such humans exist... These individuals just accept that they always get what they want without questioning it. Since this is the norm for them... A routine part of their life.

Why I feel the way I do about this? I once knew a woman just like I described. She had a rude awakening when someone that realized that she was a bit different asked her this question. "Have you ever not gotten what you wanted." And she answered "no".... When discussed in more detail, we all got to talking even about her foes. Not one of them are either alive (young death via natural causes) , or anywhere near her. Every single person she disliked was removed from her life in entirety.

Now this is where it gets a little bit scary. Lightning.... Now this lightning business was never even realized by her. It was from those around her. Folks that do her wrong are often affected by lightning. For example. It was a clear day, and her little sister didn't listen to her and ran across the street for the ice-cream truck. Great anger set in, and she hollered at her sister to get back home. At the exact moment, lightning struck the bush next to her sister. And sent her sister at record speed back home. I saw this.

Now this next example almost sounds like a Carrie episode. She was publicly humiliated at a party in a very major way. A very horrible night that she will never forget. Not long afterwards, the pool at the party sponsors home was struck in two by lightning. And if this wasn't enough, nights later, the very girl who sponsored the party, had lightning blow out her bedroom window. She actually started lining rubber shoes down her window. BTW, I actually saw the pool and the window. Even the shoes...
Those things actually did happen. Now if the woman was certainly to blame, I don't know....

Now what strikes me as odd... For some reason lightning is also attracted to this woman if she is pissed. One time she lived in a rental house, and the outside of this house on one night alone was struck 10-15 times. She said that the house was lit up like daylight. And she coward in the windowless hallway with her baby. The woman also recalled that her father also had an unusual episode with lightning when he was a young child and angry. Lightning struck inside his bedroom and bounced around in the room for some time. She never could ask him about any further instances since they don't associate.

The list of her life's oddities is very long. And most of them are good things. But she lives her life just like anyone else. Except for one dark hidden secret. That she is only vaguely aware of. But refuses to admit to anyone. Even herself. Nah that’s crazy stuff.....



posted on Mar, 5 2011 @ 03:01 AM
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Humans could do amazing things by thought alone - if we could get humans together.

Because we can't, we can't.

A sick joke from the universe.



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