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Well you could do it, but it would be pretty stupid, you could spend $100 worth of electricity running the pump to spin the water wheel, but the amount of electricity you could generate from the water wheel spinning would be worth only perhaps $40-50 at best. I'm sure that's what you meant.
Originally posted by crimvelvet
reply to post by FoxfilesMulder
Also I should mention you need a running stream near your house, but this can be overcome I'm sure with a pump powered by the wheel or attaching a car battery or something.
Sorry you can not do that. It is a law of Physics - Conservation of Energy because the water wheel can not do a 100% power conversion.
Yes that would work.
Here is what would work. (I have been thinking about it)
If you do not have a stream with at least a 4 ft drop, you can create two ponds at two different levels with the 4 ft drop between, line the ponds with bentonite clay or cement. Place the water wheel between them. Use a windmill to move the water between the two ponds.
The ponds act as a giant storage battery and allow you to even out the energy generated by the wind.
Originally posted by FoxfilesMulder
reply to post by 46ACE
its like an electric motor spinning a generator to power an electric motor turning the generator. Plenty of people smarter than any of us have proven you never get out more than you put in."Period" end of discussion. Embrace the box. its a small but versatile space.
Ok, well put my other recent thread into your pipe and smoke it then, haha!
Free energy machine.
The results of the generator were verified by independent engineers from SGS Australia following a test earlier this year, which confirmed the energy output from the generator was indeed greater than its input. Mr Christie said he and Mr Brits were currently working on a production prototype to suit the domestic market, which they hoped to produce locally. "If we go with our plan now, there is no reason why it couldn’t be available in Australia in two years," he said.
edit on 25-2-2011 by FoxfilesMulder because: (no reason given)
If you do not have a stream with at least a 4 ft drop, you can create two ponds at two different levels with the 4 ft drop between, line the ponds with bentonite clay or cement. Place the water wheel between them. Use a windmill to move the water between the two ponds. The ponds act as a giant storage battery and allow you to even out the energy generated by the wind.
please see my diatribe on thermodynamics....
Yes that would work.
A windmill with a storage battery! I like it. This is the kind of thinking we need instead of all the crackpot theories that violate laws of physics.
I starred your post, I was surprised nobody else had yet. Best post in the thread!
...deep cycle lead acid battery will cost between $50 and $200 and, if properly maintained, will give you at least 150 deep discharge cycles.... marine-electronics.net...
.... On a hot sunny summer afternoon, take a drive out along a Frontage Road along an Interstate Highway or similar large highway. Make sure it is a day with moderate wind, and that you have chosen to be on the downwind side of the highway! Find a concrete or metal culvert where water is able to pass under the highway, and walk to the end of the culvert. You will feel air coming out of it, and that air will be IMPRESSIVELY COOL! You immediately realize that you could stay there for hours and hours, and cool air would continuously come out your end. You can look THROUGH the culvert and see where the 90ºF (32ºC) hot summer air was going INTO the culvert, and yet here at your end, it CONSTANTLY comes out wonderfully cooled! Continuously, all day, every hot day! This is a truly impressive experiment to do, and it is immensely convincing regarding the whole point of the system which is described in this presentation!.....
Note that there is nothing complicated or complex about this idea, it is actually really simple, and even obvious! All we did was, in 1979, to apply modern Engineering methods to calculate how to make an "artificial cave" that is most efficient. We also found a way to use really inexpensive materials that are already available in a store near you!
Actually, we even make an improvement over that idea involving a natural cave, because it turns out that a natural cave could foul up the humidity (IRH) in the house. So the system presented here (which is a sealed, RECIRCULATING system where the house air is actually never mixed or exchanged with any other air, essentially duplicating a modern heating or air conditioning system which has air return ducts) is even better than what was just described!...
The temperature a few feet down in the ground is remarkably constant throughout the day and year. In Chicago, for example, that deep soil remains approximately 52ºF (11ºC), day and night, summer and winter. In the summer, the hot house air is blown through some underground tubes and that hot house air is cooled by contact with the cool (52ºF) (11ºC) walls of the underground tubes. It turns out that it is also de-humidified, too! It turns out that IF the soil happens to be at or below 60ºF (16ºC), when the house air is cooled to that temperature, the relative humidity in the tubes rises to 100% and moisture in the air condenses out on the walls of the tubes. When that 60ºF (16ºC) air at 100% moisture is again raised to the desired 76ºF (24ºC) air temperature in the house, the humidity (called IRH) is at the desired 40%. If the soil is cooler than 60ºF (16ºC) then the air is pushed through faster so the humidity is not lowered too much. If the soil is above 60ºF (16ºC), a separate dehumidifier is likely to be necessary.... mb-soft.com...