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Originally posted by IsaacKoi
I think you are seeing a conspiracy when mere cock-up suffices as a simpler explanation. I think you are familiar with Occam's Razor...
Sure, there are quite a few hoax videos where the hoaxer has the motive that you suggest. However, there are also many videos on youtube of real (albeit explainable) lights/objects in the sky and generally I don't think the people posting them are seeking to obstruct independent checks.
How many of the people that posted the relevant videos do you think KNEW the specific time/date and context of the videos?
How many of the people that did know those details simply could not be BOTHERED to set them out?
By the way, skeptics can be as bad as believers when it comes to failing to post the source of a video or quote. Are they also trying to obstruct independent verification?
I think you are being a tad unfair with your recent allegations of deliberate attempts by believers to make it difficult to verify a video/quote.
All the best, Isaac
Originally posted by Erno86
I don't just believe, I KNOW, that extraterrestial starcraft are visiting our planet Earth. By just the luck of having seen such a craft; I instantly fathomed, that it was not of this Earth!!!
Originally posted by JimOberg
Originally posted by ls1cameric
..... There are videos out there that are undeniable evidence to anyone with a logical mind of something unearthly visiting us. one of my favorites is the ISS (I think) clip of a "UFO" that gets shot at over the earth. you see this orb cruising over earth and then a big flash on the ground and immediately, the "UFO" slingshots out of the way of what appears to be a beam of energy or missile that was clearly shot towards whatever that moving object way. I've NEVER seen anyone give a plausible explanation for that one...
Ric, you're right, the prosaic explanations for the STS-48 (not ISS) zig-zag particle beam video have not been widely seen, largely because promoters of one side of the debate want to hide contrary views from their target audience -- honest folks like you. Then you can carelessly assert that if YOU haven't been shown a particular argument, such arguments do not exist.
This is my argument for the 'ordinary' (if coincidental) origin of that video:
The problem with Hellyer's opinions is that they appear based entirely on Corso's book, not on anything he learned while in the defense ministry. The most silly of those claims -- which he loyally parrots -- is the current existence of a deployed and manned 'space shield' to combat UFOs. Since I've worked in the space program, I've been able to establish to my satisfaction that everything Corso claimed (and Hellyer believed) about space activities is utter nonsense, and that any serious amateur investigator could verify the nonsensicality of.it.
Try it yourself at home.
Originally posted by caladonea
The Daily Mirror is a British tabloid......although I do believe in the existence of UFO's and Aliens from other planets....I personally don't think tabloids are known for telling the truth....I'm just saying.