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You may not have directly said that, but summed up, that's exactly what you are saying. You are claiming hypnosis is completely invalid.
No. I didn't say that.
Ok genius, please enlighten us all with how you suggest we retrieve these hidden memories, what is your plan? Or, do you not have any plan, and you just suggest we leave hypnosis out of it until we have a better plan?
But for the sake of argument let's say there are aliens and these aliens are suppressing memory. Hypnosis is not a valid memory retrieval tool. So, that's not the way to get at the memory. Hypnosis is not an option.
That one statements just hows how little you actually know about hypnosis, you think of it as some scary tool used to brainwash people and make them do what ever you want. You are so completely wrong. It most definitely CAN retrieve valid information from a person, and if you think intelligence agencies haven't also used it for that purpose you're sadly mistaken. They've probably experimented with every possible use for hypnosis, with memory extraction most likely playing a major role.
Hypnosis is a behavior-modification tool.
Baseless statements made by you with any evidence of any type yet to be presented as requested.
1. Aliens are performing very poor surgery on humans, using technology which would make a voodoo doctor blush.
2. Aliens haven't heard of in-vitro fertilization, which puts our advanced race of alien saviours many decades behind us poor humans.
Uhhh, you do realize how completely unsafe such drugs are, and their inability to accurately target specific memories. Do you have any grasp on how difficult it would be to fashion a drug made to target a highly complex and detailed memory? Further, did you even bother to read the reason they leave the memories hidden in their minds? It's for the abductees future reference, so they aren't as scared and get used to it over time, and to remember other specifics of an abductions instead of relearning it each time.
3. Aliens haven't heard of our modern drugs which can erase memory's in their entirety.
Jacobs clearly states the function of an implant is highly debated and he provides only guess work based on available information, he makes it more than clear he can't magically understand the technology, though likely reasons are to monitor abductee location and possibly thoughts.
4. Aliens "bug" the abductee's, to keep tabs on them, so that they can read our minds remotely.
You must be on crack sir, because that's not being said.
5. Aliens want to keep themselves secret, for the time being, as we might not be ready for all their dazzling technology.
Originally posted by Jeremy_Vaeni
Unidentified means unidentified. The second it means "spaceship" we have a belief system. The second "highly strange experience with seemingly other intelligence" becomes "definite aliens with a comprehensible agenda," we have a belief system. In this case, a belief system based on false information created through hypnosis.
edit on 27-2-2011 by Jeremy_Vaeni because: clarity
"That one statements just hows how little you actually know about hypnosis, you think of it as some scary tool used to brainwash people and make them do what ever you ever. You are so completely wrong. It most definitely CAN retrieve valid information from a person, and if you think intelligence agencies haven't also used it for that purpose you're sadly mistaken. They've probably experimented with every possible use for hypnosis, with memory extraction most likely playing a major role."
Hypnosis is a behavior-modification tool.
A fight? What, because I called you a genius in a sarcastic fashion? I was serious, I want to know what you suggest. And you clearly don't have any other solution.
This will be my last post because to argue ridiculousness is... well... ridiculous. I've been nothing but direct with you and you want to turn this into a fight. Again, time to rise above defending our positions and being hostile, isn't it?
Actually, I don't think I will ignore the one and only way we have of peering into the alien agenda.
Yes, leave hypnosis out of it. I don't think we need a plan but if we do it doesn't include that.
Oh no, I must hear your response. And I'm not enjoying this debate either. I usually do enjoy debates, but all you're doing is saying it's all so unreliable and mockery is your basic underlying tactic, saying the whole debate in it's self is ridiculous.
This is so screwed up I was going to respond to it, too, but... never mind. Just... enjoy yourself.
If you've been paying attention even a little bit, you should realize an abductee is abducted from early stages in their life. They are part of a program, and their kids will also probably be abducted throughout their life. Their abductions aren't random at all.
1. Aliens leave memory's intact, so that we're better able to cope at a future date, for when our beloved Aliens decide to return.
Or perhaps did you ever care to think the aliens don't give two damns about the effects on the abductees life?
2. Aliens are very poor psychologists, given that they are completely unaware of the disastrous lives their patients endure due to their "missing time" awareness. These patients are so traumatised, lead such shattered lives, that their only hope is to get the truth from hypnotists such as Jacobs.
Do you understand why that is? It's because hypnotists aren't magical witch doctors that control a persons mind. All they do is put the person into a state of mind where memory access and suggestibility is heightened (if the subject is willing). Meaning you can "suggest" an apple will taste like chocolate, but it's almost impossible to make someone do or believe something they really don't want to do. Of course hypnotism is open to false information and fantasies, but the real information available for harvesting and comparing with other reports can't just be ignored like you claim.
In summary, it appears extremely doubtful that trance can be induced in resistant subjects. It may be possible to hypnotize a person without his being aware of it, but this would require a positive relationship between hypnotist and subject not likely to be found in the interrogation setting.
Oh yeah, they surely were some good recaps mate. Best I've ever seen. Well thought and and completely factual, based on the concepts presented in the book, and clearly show you read it thoroughly.
Those recaps are factual assessments of Jacobs book, which I have read most thoroughly.
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
reply to post by A51Watcher
Thanks for the recommendation, I also just stumbled across Karla Turners website: www.karlaturner.org. ...since you say you've read a lot, do you know if her books are decent, especially the one called "taken"? It says this on her website:
.... They also happen to be two of the most important books ever written on the UFO abduction phenomenon.
"To audiences around the country she listed what she considered to be the only "facts" that might be construed about the alien invaders:
* We do not know with any certainty what they are.
* At least some of the aliens lie.
* During encounters, they control our perceptions.
* They can implant false memories.
* What we report about them is what they want us to report.
* The alien agenda has physical aims and procedures that have nothing to do with reproduction.
* From childhood, they manipulate us physically, spiritually, and sexually.
* They create virtual reality scenarios that are absolutely real to the abductees.
* They show an extraordinary interest in human souls and in our thoughts.
* There is some element of human involvement in UFO phenomenon"
I agree with most of her points, but can you expand on that? What are the other significant "physical aims and procedures" she believes are related to the alien agenda?
* The alien agenda has physical aims and procedures that have nothing to do with reproduction.
Wow, nice. I would love to do that, except I live in a very rural area so I doubt I'll find too many people willing to talk. Not to mention everyone knows everyone and I wouldn't want to seem any more crazy than I probably seem already.
After becoming aware of the subject and reading several books, I took it to the next level and began doing local field investigations of abductees (besides my other investigations).
Although the aliens routinely collect sperm by attaching a collection device to the man's penis, apparently this technique is not foolproof. The evidence suggests that there are times when this procedure and even some masturbatory techniques either fail or cannot be performed.
Women abductees have reported that they became pregnant under impossible conditions; they'd not engaged in sexual intercourse with anyone and yet they were pregnant.
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At least some of these "immaculate conceptions" are probably a result of bad timing, and because the aliens are living, sentient beings, they make mistakes. If, during an abduction, the male begins to ejaculate a few seconds before the aliens pull him off the woman, she could easily become pregnant.
Oh no, I must hear your response. And I'm not enjoying this debate either. I usually do enjoy debates, but all you're doing is saying it's all so unreliable and mockery is your basic underlying tactic, saying the whole debate in it's self is ridiculous.