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That is a very good analogy you gave, but I don't think you're quite understanding my point. I completely agree with how you're presenting their actions, like some sort of "neutral" scientific activity. I used to think the same thing. However, after a lot more research, their deception and secrecy becomes bothersome. Do we try to hide our experiments or studies from the bears? If we thought the bears were self-aware emotive beings with thoughts, would we still carry out such experiments? Derrel Sims, the hypnotist who I mentioned in an earlier post, believes the aliens are better understood when you think of them like an intelligence agency (he used to work with he CIA). This statement has proven correct in my research, as everything they do is layered in secrecy. Their actions are highly suspicious and I don't trust them at all like I used to.
Knowing what you know as a human, are field biologists doing a wildlife survey evil? Are evil plans part of their intent?
Yeah, I'm now looking for some other decent books on abduction so that I can compare them with what I know so far. I let you know if I find anything decent. I'm glad you took the time to read it.
That was a great read! Thanks for the thread, I really enjoyed it but too bad it ended. I got interested
I think they just show scenes of mass devastation to people, and some of those scenes involve nuclear warfare. "Mass devastation" is the major theme. But they do make it clear there will be a period after "The Change" where the Earth will rebuild and regrow, and that hybrids will play an important role along side humans (which appears to be only the abductees). So I guess maybe when they say "it'll all be worth it in the end" to the abductees, that might actually have a grain of truth to it.
They say they want us to get rid of our nuclear weapons or whatever. What if its their secret plan to actually destroy us but preserve the planet for themselves, and the only weapon we have to do damage to them is nuclear weapons, and knowing us, we wouldn't care if we blew up half our forests to protect ourselves.
Originally posted by WhizPhizThe False Memory
Thanks for the recommendation, I also just stumbled across Karla Turners website: www.karlaturner.org. You can get all her books for free, but it seems she died from cancer some while ago, what a shame. Anyway, since you say you've read a lot, do you know if her books are decent, especially the one called "taken"? It says this on her website:
Another book I recommend is -The Silent Invasion- by Ellen Crystall. She documents an aspect of this situation no else has covered yet.
Dr. Turner's books are all out of print; in addition,"Taken" and "Masquerade" are both very expensive to obtain on the used market. They also happen to be two of the most important books ever written on the UFO abduction phenomenon.
"Into the Fringe," Dr. Turner's first book, also provides much valuable background information on the experiences of this pioneering researcher.
If you read no other book on the subject of UFOs and alien abduction read "Taken." It is easily one of the most informative and relevant books on the overall implications of this phenomenon yet written.
I'll check it out in a moment, thanks.
I created a video on this subject you might find interesting:
No, I didn't suddenly flip my opinion, it has been a slow and gradual change, this book simply sealed the deal, I can no longer trick myself into thinking the alien presence is positive.
i don't get it.. you read one book and suddenly flip your opinion pertaining to the alien agenda.
It's based on the way they conduct their abduction operations, how they treat the abductees, what they say to them, and the suspiciousness of their ultimate agenda. If it were all that great, don't you think they might want to let us know? Also see my first post near the top of this page (6) to understand my feelings better.
and all of this is based on the mere theory that if there were aliens who were positive in nature, the abduction phenomena would cease?
They might be true, but the "good guys" must be doing a pretty crap job IMO.
how do you know the aliens of positive light aren't waging a war behind the scenes against these particular aliens?
So the "nice guys" feel it's perfectly nice of them to go around abducting people and their children throughout their entire lives? And they must feel it's super nice of them to not tell us a single word of this, and apparently be involved in some sort of breeding program, and it's perfectly nice of them to keep all that from us?
aliens are nice.
Have you even read anything that I've said in this thread, or did you simply read the title and decide to come in flaming like everyone else?
Now comes this bunch of misinformed nonsense and it's six pages and counting.
So what your saying is, even if these events are real, and aliens are suppressing certain memories that require hypnosis to unlock, we should just ignore them all and pay no attention simply because it's possible for it to be fake or real information? I don't agree. It's the only line of research that allows some sort of real analysis to take place, we have nothing else. Photo's and videos can always be discredited. Therefore, we treat any information retrieved via hypnosis carefully, only after other abductees have corroborated the same information multiple times can we start to give it any weight. That is what Jacobs does, and how he reaches his conclusions. In fact, on the last page of this thread I've shown a comparison between Jacobs conclusions and external abduction accounts posted on ATS. I think you'll find the similarities quite surprising. Please see this post: www.abovetopsecret.com...
Do you even know that they exist?
Do you even know that they are aliens?
I'm an "experiencer." I've seen them face to face and I'll tell you the truth--No. You don't. And neither do I. None of us know what this stuff is. We don't know if it's a facade to something deeper. We don't know if it comes from different sources or one source.
We don't know anything about what this enigma is. What we do know is what it is not. What it is not is any scenario pasted together through hypnosis. We know this because in the last 2 decades hypnosis as a memory retrieval tool has been so completely discredited that it's not admissible in any court of law in any Western nation.
It's not that it can't retrieve memory; the problem is that hypnotized people can't tell the difference between a real memory, a dream, something they saw on TV, or something they read in a book. It is, as Dr. Scott Lilienfeld pointed out, no better or worse at memory retrieval than getting someone drunk. How do we know? Because study after study after study confirms this.
We can know, and if you don't even want to try and know, be my guest. I, however, do want to know, and there's more than enough information to make very educated guesses. Whether you want to accept that information or deny it with the safety net of false memory syndrome is your choice.
But was it real or not?
We don't know.
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
However, after a lot more research, their deception and secrecy becomes bothersome. Do we try to hide our experiments or studies from the bears?
Originally posted by LordBucket
reply to post by WhizPhiz
I offer enlightenment to the readers of this thread. Do with it as you please.
the idea that aliens are on Earth for our benefit
Fluffy: Hello. I am a cat.
Human: Oh, it's a kitty! How adorable!
Human: Here you go little kitty, have a treat. *pet* *pet* *love* *cuddle*
Fluffy: *Purr* *purr*
The Threat - Aliens are Evil
Spot: Hello. I am a cat.
Human: Ahh! A cat. How delicious. *Om* *nom* *nom*.
Spot: Gahhhh!!!! *runs away*
some New Age abductees have 'sought assistance from a competent hypnotist,
one who is well-versed in the abduction phenomenon. As a result, they remember events
that do not seem so positive.
Precious: Hello. I am a cat.
Human: Oh, look. Another stray. Come on, it's off to the vet with you. We can't have feral cats just wandering around.
Precious: I'm not sure I trust you.
Human: Hmm. Ok, well, here's a yummy treat. Now come with me please.
Precious: Oh, how delicious! *nom* *nom* Wait...why do I feel so sleepy?
Human: Ok, guys. The anesthetic will last about an hour. Let's neuter him so he doesn't breed more cats.
Human: Trust me cat, this is for your own good.
Later, at the cat hangout:
Spot: There are humans!
Muffins: What are you talking about? I've never seen a human. You must be delusional.
Fluffy: No, it's true! I see humans regularly. They come to pet me and give me yummy treats. They are kind and love us.
Spot: What?!!?!? Are you crazy? They want to eat us! They're evil!
Fluffy: No! They love us and adore us and just want the best for us.
Precious: I...don't know. I mean, yeah, they give us treats so they seem very nice, but I don't really trust them. I think they have ulterior motives. I've never been quite the same since encountering them. I feel different and I don't like it.
Muffins: Ok, you're all crazy. I'm leaving now. "Humans." Heh. What rubbish.
When seeking to understand what is outside, try looking inside first.edit on 26-2-2011 by LordBucket because: (no reason given)
If we thought the bears were self-aware emotive beings with thoughts, would we still carry out such experiments?
That's a typical response from he aliens actually, when asked what their ultimate goal is, they always say "it's too complex and huge for you to comprehend". Give me a break. More like "it's too controversial and wont easily be accepted by humans, therefore we need to keep it extremely secret and use questionable tactics to enforce our will."
Do you think it would do any good if we tried to explain to the bears our intentions? Do you really think they would understand?