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The Threat - Aliens are Evil

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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Good points. Whiz - - still reading.
Yes, I'll get back to you.

Like I said, it pays to keep an open mind and I am eager to hear
differing opinions

I HOPE there is something positive in it - else, as I said, we're toast.
Maybe I'll see you in the next cell of the alien zoo, ha, ha!




posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:45 PM
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And what IF there are no evil aliens,but evil humans that abduct their fellow humans to conduct experiments and then plant a fake memory?
If we accept as true the ancient aliens theory,i cannot recall in any myth or legend with an abduction of humans.(ok maybe a couple do exist but they are far from unpleasant experiences)
You make a moderately good point there, except I doubt humans a few thousand years ago had many chances to undergo hypnosis in order to break through the screen memories and reveal what really happened. They would have been completely clueless for the most part, and those who had conscious memories of the event, still most likely had fantastical screen memories involving religious and spiritual things providing another layer of protection. They think they experienced contact with heaven/god/angels or whatever when it was actually aliens.


I would like to remind that the whole abduction thing started in the early 50's and there were some events back then that are rather suspicious.
1)1947-the cold war started
2)Nazi German scientists,that already conducted experiments on humans,were in USA.
3)There were all types of scientific research from both sides(USA-Russia),they were both looking for advanced technology and weapons.
While there are case of abductees describing people in military uniform, I question the truth of these less common accounts. Other abduction accounts just don't fit that picture. Everything they do seems to revolve around the hybrid program. The gynecological operations common with female abductees, sperm extraction from males. Then we have all the odd cases where abductees are forced to interact with young hybrids. There is no way to explain this within the framework of your Government abduction theory. Not to mention nearly all abductees describe super-advanced technology enabling such feats as floating through walls. Furthermore, the abductors posses the ability to totally and utterly control a persons mind, their skill level and technical knowledge is far beyond anything humans could hope to have attained at this stage, even in the most secretive programs.


So they started abducting random citizens to experiment on them.
Most people are abducted from childhood, they get "chosen" to be part of the hybrid program and unconsciously, slowly become more accustomed to the whole thing over the years. They don't just make random abductions to conduct one time experiments and tests on a person, there is a very ordered system by where they choose subjects and abduct them throughout their life time. This is ultimately because they have a larger agenda, and that is the hybrid program.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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The book's available to download. Beyond all the current dispute, there's an interview from 07 that sets alarm bells clanging...with hindsight.

It's a a Strange Days...Indeed podcast...right click save as. . During the course of the interview, Jacobs dismisses qualified therapists and conscious memory. He effectively discounts all alternative explanations. In his view (2007), detractors were overqualified, under-qualified, biased or in denial.

On his website, he still holds the view that if regression therapists don't share his interpretation...they're wrong.


At present there are quite a few therapists who work with abductees, but many of them are heavily influenced by New Age and aliens-as-Space-Brother ideas. They tend toward religious, transformational, spiritual, and mystical interpretations of UFOs and abductions. These interpretations are reflective of the therapist’s “mind-set,” and have no relation whatsoever to the actual phenomenon. Unfortunately, they can transfer their particular agenda to abductees during hypnotic sessions and join together with them in mutually confirmational fantasies. These individuals are sometimes helpful to a few like-minded abductees, but more often they are detrimental to abductees' well-being and lead them into fantasies rather than dealing objectively with the abduction phenomenon and its effects on the abductees’ lives.

www.ufoabduction.com...

He's just about ruled out anyone with the 'mind-set' that differs to his. The 'actual phenomenon' is just his definition.


If you would like to contribute to the investigation of abductions using agenda-free investigative and therapeutic strategies, I will send you an e-mail packet of information about techniques of hypnosis, protocols of investigation, proper questioning procedures, and problems in therapy.

www.ufoabduction.com...

Basically, he's set his stall out like a researcher at McDonalds asking the queue which fast food venue is their favourite.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:20 PM
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Don't get me wrong i do believe in aliens visiting our planet,i just doubt the whole evil alien theory.
It is one thing to have an encounter with them and misinterpret them for gods/angels/whatever and another thing the abduction for experimental purposes,sex or anything else.

In the ancient world they did have encounters with such beings but they did remember it.Usually such meeting with them were joyfull and they shared with the rest of the humans.When those encounters involved sex,people considered themselves blessed and if a pregnancy occured the child was considered a half-god or a hero.

Although in Greek folk tales there are stories about dark fairies that abduct young men to make them slaves or have sex with them,they always remember what happened when they return to our realm.

The whole idea of abductions in the modern world is very different from those encounters.I cannot recall any case of abduction before that era,where abductees couldn't remember how they lost a few hours,they had dreams or flashbacks about the experience and all the other symptoms.That's why i'm suspicious about it.




except I doubt humans a few thousand years ago had many chances to undergo hypnotic regression in order to break through the screen memories and reveal what really happened.

Hypnosis was known in ancient Greece and Egypt.It was used mainly for healing purposes.There were places in ancient Greece called the sleep temples where after a cleansing process the "patient" was put in a dark place and reached a hyptnotic trance state.If i remember correct they left him there for two or three days and then they asked him what he had seen.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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On his website, he still holds the view that if regression therapists don't share his interpretation...they're wrong.
He doesn't just make completely baseless statement, he always has a deep line of thought behind everything he says and the conclusions he has reached. After reading a few hundred abduction reports, I would have to agree that anyone who disagree the alien agenda involves some sort of hybrid program is in denial. And that's basically all Jacobs is saying, and he's saying their secretive methodologies are cause for concern. They shouldn't be so easily trusted. I've noticed nearly everything an alien says to an abductee is coated in some form of deception.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Don't get me wrong i do believe in aliens visiting our planet,i just doubt the whole evil alien theory.
It is one thing to have an encounter with them and misinterpret them for gods/angels/whatever and another thing the abduction for experimental purposes,sex or anything else.
They aren't necessarily evil, it's just that they are using us look tools with little empathy. And UFO's were probably misinterpreted as divine phenomena, but a conscious memory of an abduction is likely to be a screen memory (a memory the aliens planted there). Thus, those who do manage to retain some conscious memory of the abduction, almost always recall confabulated memories (fraudulent and faulty memories). It takes hypnosis to get through these layers of protection the alien hypnotists place on the abductees memories of the event.


In the ancient world they did have encounters with such beings but they did remember it.Usually such meeting with them were joyfull and they shared with the rest of the humans.When those encounters involved sex,people considered themselves blessed and if a pregnancy occured the child was considered a half-god or a hero.
Yes, those joyful and blissful encounters with heavenly beings were probably screen memories as I've been saying, and as the excerpt in the OP explains in great detail. It's very unlikely an abductee will consciously remember large portions of any abduction, not enough to recount the story in detail anyway. It takes a specialist to uncover these carefully suppressed memories, and uncover in full detail what really happened.


Hypnosis was known in ancient Greece and Egypt.It was used mainly for healing purposes.There were places in ancient Greece called the sleep temples where after a cleansing process the "patient" was put in a dark place and reached a hyptnotic trance state.If i remember correct they left him there for two or three days and then they asked him what he had seen.
That's completely different, a perfect recipe for hallucinatory experiences.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 05:43 PM
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keep in mind there is more than one alien race. and they actually wouldn't interfere for that might cause interstellar warfare...and a war between alien races could destroy stars and planets. they are not about destroying anything. they are all about creation and evolution. thats how they became to be what they are now. why did they teach the Mayans and Sumerians and Egyptians and every other ancient civilization that has existed about life and the way things work and astronomy and math and everything we know today? just to come down here and hurt us? i believe your mistaken but that is a good fictional story you have there. im not disagreeing saying that some races don't do experiments during abductions, im just saying that there not going to interfere with each other...only causes problems. they are all peace makers and in ways perfect. there just going to let us be until they feel the need to come out and help us. which is going to be soon...



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:10 PM
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keep in mind there is more than one alien race. and they actually wouldn't interfere for that might cause interstellar warfare...and a war between alien races could destroy stars and planets. they are not about destroying anything. they are all about creation and evolution. thats how they became to be what they are now.
I agree with you on that, they probably don't want to start any wars. But that is why, IMO, the "good aliens" don't often come around these parts, it's "grey territory", if you will. And I think their operations aren't really evil, I agree in that sense. In fact, I used to argue that it was "simply an experiment", like we do on mice. I argued they had positive intentions, and "had to be nice" because they "were so advanced they were beyond negativity". That's all so silly now that I look back at it. They probably don't give two damns, but I don't trust them one bit. Everything about their activities and motives is suspicious. The way they operate isn't the way a positive alien species would operate.



why did they teach the Mayans and Sumerians and Egyptians and every other ancient civilization that has existed about life and the way things work and astronomy and math and everything we know today? just to come down here and hurt us? i believe your mistaken but that is a good fictional story you have there. im not disagreeing saying that some races don't do experiments during abductions, im just saying that there not going to interfere with each other...only causes problems. they are all peace makers and in ways perfect.
Perfect you say? Pfft, they are far from it my friend. They may appear as though they are Gods at first, and they are quite outstanding in some aspects, but they are also a lot less mysterious than they would have us believe. IMO, if Ancient Alien Theory is correct, than those were most likely different aliens at the time. Since then, they Greys and their overlords seem to have moved in. But that's just a hypothesis, it may have been the Greys all along. In such a scenario I would presume they've been studying us and conducting some sort of genetic experiment that's taken thousands of years. But without much too go on conjecture is difficult.



there just going to let us be until they feel the need to come out and help us. which is going to be soon...
Let us be? Sure...what ever you say, you obviously have no idea about the extent of damage their uninvited INTRUSIONS into peoples lives can cause. I bet they think it's just one big experiment and the end result is worth all the trouble. They always try to tell the abductee it's all going to be worth it in the end, that their plan is so brilliant and thought out we humans couldn't even begin to comprehend it. They always skip around the question of what the ultimate goal is, but they constantly reinforce the fact the abductees are doing the right thing, their help and compliance is for the greater good. When you look beyond their emotional word play, the deception and need to be wary is blatantly obvious.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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I'm going to say this here! I am here to let all of you know "THEY" do not exist! This is all stuff made up by people to feel important and to add some meaning to their boring lives. It's ok, it's called fatasy...it's a skill most of us learn as children however, with the advent of the NET and people having access to media and the ability to create such good fake pics and videos they can seem believable.

I know this is hard for a lot of you folks to digest and understand...but we are ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE!!! I say this definitively, without doubt...I prove this by the inability of anyone to provide irrefutable proof of ETs. There are no ETs out there, there may be UFOs, but we always figure out that it was some kind of fake or other weather related phenomenon...

This is all just bunk! Until it's PROVEN!



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:23 PM
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I know this is hard for a lot of you folks to digest and understand...but we are ALONE IN THE UNIVERSE!!! I say this definitively, without doubt...
Well, what can I say, other than you are completely correct and there's no point to even begin a debate with your all-knowing highness. Forgive my ignorance sir.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:25 PM
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Now this is extremely interesting...


Preventing Destruction

Images of mass destruction are extremely common during abductions—much more so
than environmental images. Virtually every abductee has had to watch scenes of
destruction. Tidal waves, floods, earthquakes, atomic bombs, and wars and their
aftermaths abound. Devastated cities lie in rubble. Dead people are everywhere. Injured
and dying men, women, and children cry out for help to the surviving abductee.
Abductees are led to believe that this is going to happen, that it need not happen, and that
humans have caused it.

The aliens sometimes suggest a way to avoid destruction—themselves. They are working
to avert this unhappy scenario. Their Breeding Program is the hope of the future and will
lead to peace and contentment. They can bring about a happy ending to the horror. Patti
Layne had this experience:


And they said, that they needed some parts, some things from me and that it
would help everyone on the planet. They said that there are going to be some bad
things that are going to happen.... They gave me some pretty vivid images.... And
I sat on the chair and they put this scope on my head.... They said that there are
going to be some bad things that are going to happen. They told me terrible things
would happen to the earth and that it would just blow up, and cities would
crumble and mountains would fall and the sun would be black. And they said that
it's bad because people can't stop being greedy and that they were doing
something to help us, and I don't know how. I couldn't make the connection how
putting something into my stomach would help us.4


For Terry Matthews, the catastrophic scene ended with happy hybrids strolling in a
peaceful setting. First the aliens directed her attention to a screen on which she saw a
large explosion:


It looks like a mushroom cloud from the top. That's what it looked like.

Is it earth, or some other planet?

I don't know, I could just see the bomb. Just the explosion.... It was real brilliant
and puffs of white cloud and I know it wasn't in my head. It was up on the screen.

What else do you see up there as you sit there?

For a minute I thought I saw armies and crashed planes. Armies, like foot soldiers
marching forward and I saw a crashed plane and then I saw a field with nothing
growing in it, not even weeds, just bare. Just saw a little girl with puffy cheeks ...
standing next to a wall. She looks very poor. Looking very angry and lonely. It
was just a flash image though, it was very fast. These images aren't very long.

Do you hear any sound with them?

I don't think so. Although with the explosion at the beginning, I almost felt the
vibration of it even though it was just an image. It startled me though so it might
have been just my adrenaline. I don't know, but I don't hear any sound. I feel like I
hear a gray talking in his ... you know, not talking. Thinking. Kind of like
voiceover.

What is the gray sort of thinking, or can you get a sense of that?

Yeah, but it sounds hokey. Like, "This is going to happen." That's not the words.
"Inevitable," that's the word I hear. That's the way it translates. And I feel like I'm
watching propaganda.... I feel like it's, like when you're a kid and they threaten,
"You better be good or Santa Claus won't bring you anything," you know? That's
the feel of it. But I don't know what they want from me. I don't know why they
want me to see this.

What's the next image you see up there?

It was real fast. The first one was like as far as the eye could see, it was barren
and dead, you know? Not dead people, just dead earth, I guess. Dead soil. No
trees, no buildings and then all of a sudden I started to see pretty fields, flowers
and ... hybrids.

What are the hybrids doing?

[The scene] looks happy.

The hybrids are happy?

Well, contented or ... I feel a nice day.

... What are they doing?

Walking, everybody's moving kind of slowly and peacefully, even the children.
Looks like an [laughs] alien greeting card. That's what it looks like. It's
propaganda, I know it is.... Just like it's a garden of some kind.... It reminds me
of... the way they're walking in pairs very slowly ... like they're having a leisurely
Sunday afternoon, you know? Like it's perfect or something. ... It's like a very
huge garden that goes on and on and on.5


During Allison Reed's five-day abduction, she witnessed many scenes of
devastation. The aliens told her that during a future period of human strife, they
will intercede and save us from ourselves.6

Roxanne's Zeigler's experience ended with optimism. She saw army people in
uniforms and then there was an explosion.


And then [I see] a bomb going off. It's like a mushroom. It's kind of, like
everything's like turning black and white. And the color is > all gone. It's like
sheer desolation. And a raging fire—trees burned, and . .. animals running. People
with like black, blistered skin . . . kind of nothingness, just smoldering. And
everything's all quiet and still black and white. The sun is coming out, and a
vague whiteness is like covering the land. There's like . .. something I've heard
before.

What's that?

It's like, "All's well that ends well." It's like there's this voice coming out of the
sky, and this brightness envelops the earth. And the darkness is going away, and
the desolation is going away. And the grass is growing. And there's some
butterflies that are coming out. And the flowers are growing. And, it's like
luminous beings. It's almost like angelic figures around and all in light. And the
people are moving around and doing all kinds of things. And people are smiling
again. Everybody looks healthy and strong. And children are playing games
outside. The animals look content. And the forest is green. There are ships, lots of
ships. And all these people are coming out of the ships. It's like people are
greeting each other, and they're kind of like, okay, back to business, so to speak,
you know. There are a lot of ships arriving, and people are coming out from the
ships, almost as if some of them had been here before. It's like they've been away
a while, but it's like they're coming home.

When they come out of the ships, how do they look? Do they look just like
normal people?

They're not wearing the same clothes that we wear. They're coming out with like
this luminous cloth.... But, they're all different colors, like all different races.
They're taking these beings to, and it's like they're showing them around.... It's
like there's no fear of them or anything. I get the feeling, though, that these—the
ones that are still, still look alien—they still can't live here. I guess they can stay
for short periods of time, then they have to at least go to their ships or something.
But, there are parts of them that are with us because they have all these other
people that are a mixture. Things won't go back the way they were—things will
be better. There will be a lot different technology, and people can utilize their
gifts. People will learn to get along better, at least these people have. There is
more respect for the earth and all that's living. And, there is more love and
acceptance ... more opportunity to realize good potential. The screen is fading....
This person who [is] standing beside me seems to be saying that, you know,
"Don't worry, it won't be so bad as it looks. We just had to test your emotions."
There will be changes, and it won't be so bad. They are not causing the changes to
take place on the earth, but something's coming. He says that we need them. They
have to make people like them that can survive in our society. We need what they
have to offer. In other words, we might have an awful time trying to recover, and
their being here will make things easier for us—not to be afraid.

Now, he says something is coming. Does he say what's coming, or not?

... He says it'll be made clear as times goes by. He says what they are doing is
necessary. It has to be done, and they're not trying to hurt us in any way. But,
some of the things may hurt—they try to take away the pain. They try to make the
memories go ... because the memories give us trouble here with the people, and
it's not time yet. But eventually all will be all right. It'll all become clear.7

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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I didn't catch all the "hybrid" stuff before and I don't know who David Jacobs is. How many "abductees" are suffering from a mental illness? None? Half? All of them?

Whether the abduction phenomena stems from the mind only or is indeed a 'visitation' my only point is this: The evidence is fairly compelling that either our "subconscious mind" or some entities have a serious disregard for our own mental and physical status.

As far as hypnotism goes, I don't care who is doing it, it muddies the water. A "suggestive state" is just that...a mind open to suggestion.

If it turns out that these aliens, or more likely entities, exist, then you can bet that as far as I'm concerned they will have to earn my trust. I won't shoot first and ask questions later, but I will have the strap unbuttoned and the safety off.

Space Brother my patooty.

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:49 PM
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I didn't catch all the "hybrid" stuff before and I don't know who David Jacobs is.
The "hybrid program" theory comes from the simple observation that a vast number of the reported medical procedures/examinations revolve around reproduction. A common theme is the harvesting of eggs and sperm from people, they also often implant a fetus into female abductees (it seems hybrid females have trouble with reproduction) and remove it a short time later (or sooner if its safety compromised), it then continues development in some sort of artificial womb (they appear to have massive rooms dedicated to these fetus containers). However, such synthetic methods of raising a child apparently aren't enough to sustain life, and abductees often report coming into contact with hybrid babies and children (reminds me of this: The Primacy of Human Touch - PDF). These hybrids can look remarkably human after several generations, enough to blend in with a crowd. These are often referred to as "Nordics" by many people.

EDIT: It's unclear to me whether hybrids have reached a point where they can breed amongst themselves, but it would seem they can't. Later generation hybrids however, can easily have normal sexual intercourse with a human and generate healthy hybrid children (using a female human as the host).

EDIT: An explanation (of late gen hybrids) from the book:



Hybridization reaches a critical point in a later-stage generation— possibly the fourth or
fifth. Once again, the aliens use the standard hybridization process, splicing a human egg
and sperm with genetic material from a hybrid.3. The resulting late-stage hybrids are so
close to human that they could easily "pass" without notice.

Most of the late-stage hybrids have normal-looking eyes (perhaps only a slightly enlarged
pupil). Their skin color is humanlike but sometimes a bit too even. They often have shortcropped
hair, but some have curly or long hair. Some do not have eyebrows or eyelashes,
and most do not have body hair or pubic hair. Their frames are sometimes thin,
sometimes muscular, but never overweight. They are often blond and have blue eyes,
although abductees have noted a range of hair and eye coloration. The females have
human secondary sexual characteristics and have longer hair than the men. Most males
have normal genitals but some penises might be too narrow. The males are not
circumcised. It is these late-stage hybrids whom abductees often call the "Nordics."

Late-stage hybrids possess the aliens' extraordinary mental abilities. They can engage in
staring procedures, Mindscan, visualizations, envisioning, and so on. They have nearly
complete command over the abductees, who report having a little more physical and
mental control during hybrid abduction activity—not enough, however, to effectively
resist abductions.

Late-stage hybrids have a singularly important attribute: They can reproduce with
humans. They have intercourse with humans in the "normal" manner, bypassing the
standard egg and sperm harvesting phase of abductions. These resulting hybrids are
barely distinguishable from "normal" human beings.

Although it is unknown precisely how many stages of hybrid development exist, the
evidence points inexorably to the development of an increasingly human-looking and
human-behaving hybrid armed with the aliens' ability to manipulate humans. Whether
male late-stage hybrids can reproduce with female late-stage hybrids is unknown.
Abductees have reported that female late-stage hybrids have had difficulty bringing
babies to term.

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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To anyone interested in the abduction phenomenon I highly recommend this recent article by Carol Rainey. Rainey was married to David Jacobs fellow "researcher" and best friend Budd Hopkins for 10 years and was an active participant in much of his work.


These investigators believe so completely in the reality of their own interpretation of these experiences that they have lost touch with both consensus reality and the everyday ethics of human behavior that go along with it. They genuinely feel that the fate of humanity is at risk and any tactic taken is justified by the need to warn the world of the coming takeover. That’s a powerful belief system and in these two men, it is rigid. There’s nothing ambiguous or shifting in their ideas. In a most disturbing way, such a fundamentalist type of belief structure leaves them highly vulnerable to credulousness, loss of critical judgment, and outright hoaxes.


The priests of high strangeness, co-creation of the "alien abduction phenomenon"



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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Hmmmm, well it seems to me she couldn't handle being married to a "crazy man". Where is her critical analysis of the subject at hand, her interpretation of all their work? She obviously doesn't like the guys, how can she ever seriously write anything of objective criticism? More half-baked attempts to degrade the value of legitimate research IMO.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:11 PM
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Ohh! The Galactic Brotherhood just doesn't like that kind of talk!

If you should wake up one morning drooling with two red marks on the
back of your neck - - well, let us know.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:17 PM
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Originally posted by WhizPhiz
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Hmmmm, well it seems to me she couldn't handle being married to a "crazy man". Where is here critical analysis of the subject at hand, her interpretation of all their work? She obviously doesn't like the guys, how can she ever seriously write anything of objective criticism? More half-baked attempts to degrade the value of legitimate research IMO.


I'll give you the same advice you give people in this thread - please read the entire article before you comment on it.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:20 PM
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Ok, ok, I'll read it. That is, when I can get it to work. Adobe Reader is telling me the PDF is corrupt.

PS - How do ya like my new avatar?



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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 10:27 PM
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Originally posted by cripmeister
To anyone interested in the abduction phenomenon I highly recommend this recent article by Carol Rainey. Rainey was married to David Jacobs fellow "researcher" and best friend Budd Hopkins for 10 years and was an active participant in much of his work.


These investigators believe so completely in the reality of their own interpretation of these experiences that they have lost touch with both consensus reality and the everyday ethics of human behavior that go along with it. They genuinely feel that the fate of humanity is at risk and any tactic taken is justified by the need to warn the world of the coming takeover. That’s a powerful belief system and in these two men, it is rigid. There’s nothing ambiguous or shifting in their ideas. In a most disturbing way, such a fundamentalist type of belief structure leaves them highly vulnerable to credulousness, loss of critical judgment, and outright hoaxes.


The priests of high strangeness, co-creation of the "alien abduction phenomenon"


Thanks, cripmeister. Very revealing and hard to argue with I would say. Especially since I looked into Jacobs too after reading that. This stuff isn't so much about an attempt to discredit their research: They pretty much discredit themselves as the facts come to light.

Helping someone who has had frightening experiences is one thing...this is another thing.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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Ok, I got through most of her "pamphlet" and it's basically just low brow attacks on her ex-husband and Jacobs. She states they lead people with "pre-hypno-sis conversation". Can I be skeptical and for proof? Or does she simply claim they do this off the record, whilst the tape recorder is off? She later states UFO researchers often find it impossible to receive funding, having to use their own money to pay for the research, and that all the ridicule and mockery makes it almost impossible to for them to harvest any serious results. Yet here she is taking shots at these man, using every underhanded tactic in the book, and providing little evidence for her claims. In fact, the whole thing is quite laughable, the quality of this report is terrible.




A firsthand wit-ness to alien abduction investigations, she has also worked extensively with mainstream biomedical researchers. An exceptional combination of experiences gives her the specific knowledge as to what constitutes an investigation based on good and ethical research practices and the perspective to recognize when such standards are absent.
So she's a biomedical scientist? Oooh, that explains it. All the pieces are now coming together. She clearly has very little knowledge related to psychology and not once does she examine the so called faults Jacobs or Hopkins methods in detail. Now she may be completely right about Hopkins, but she makes bold statements about Jacobs that simply aren't true, and honestly, she does little to discredit his research. Further, the amount of corroborating abduction testimony not acquired by Jacobs or Hopkins is beyond what I consider random chance. People will obviously believe what they want, but I've done the research and I've reached my own conclusions based on the evidence from not only Jacobs. And I didn't really make this thread to argue whether abduction accounts or real or not, that's all we seem to do anymore. "Aliens are real"..."No they're not"...and on and on and on. I'm simply sick of it. I want to move past that and have constructive conversation with people who are on the same page as me.



Here is how it works at my institution
She's so predictable. "Oh, look, it works this way where I work, now listen up morons, I know more about something you've dedicated you're entire life to, I know exactly how it can be done more effectively because my super awesome job does it just like this." Pfft, get out of town.


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