Thousands of soldiers to be trained to run prisons as the Government prepares for strikes

Thousands of soldiers to be trained to run prisons as the Government prepares for strikes

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Soldiers will run prisons if guards go on strike as part of protests against public sector cuts, it was revealed today.
Thousands of troops will receive training in restraint techniques and fire safety as the Government prepares contingencies against a wave of industrial action.
Ministers expect staff to walk out over Justice Secretary Ken Clarke's plans to privatise two prisons and have drawn up plans with the Ministry of Defence, The Times reported.


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Not sure whether this story can be substantiated or not, as it is coming from The Daily Mail, and has to do with potential strikes and uprisings in the UK.

But if so, to me this is fairly creepy.

SOLDIERS running prisons, domestically? Sounds almost straight out of the FEMA conspiracy angle we hear over here in the states? A military ran prison complex for UK citizens?

What do ATSers think about this one?

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Good Glad they have a contingency plan to keep critical things running as we strike

If this is an intimidation tactic on the government's part, they might have a surprise or two coming. I think people are past the point of worrying about their fearmongering tactics, don't you?

Good and then Ultimately Bad.

Good for a few weeks, because these guys don't have the prison guard mentality of domination. They haven't yet found reasonings in their mind to hate everyone, to belittle them, to HURT THEM illegally....

But give it a few months, and they will eventually come across these reasonings. They will find themselves becoming a prison guard. Slowly but surely, they will turn into heartless violent tyrants.

But on day one? They will actually be cool as hell. Way cooler than the old guys who are totally ingrained into the system of corruption and abuse of liberty. But that cool dude attitude will wear off quick...

Gitmo Bay reprised?

They had better start buiding more dog cages and feed criminals and strikers labelled as 'terrorist' in this day and age of Security. If that's how the gov prefers to spend taxpayers monies and use troops to imprison their own families, relatives and friends for speaking out.

Or they can do what USA is doing, getting foreigners such as Canada to do the dirty jobs for them, this time UK using...Germans?

Is handling power that corruptive and blind? Tolkien may be right with the power of the 'ring' thingy.

I am unfamiliar with the situation there.

Is it likely that every prison guard int he country will strike? Is there only one union (I am assuming this is a breakdown of collective bargaining.)

Here in the states, such a change would nullify the standing labor contract with the union, so I could see many 'sympathy' strikers going out on a 'flu' strike or something, but it's really an unfair comparison.. here in the states prisons are as numerous as amusement parks and three times as profitable.

Apparently,. it doesn't matter what country you're in, prison ownership is a big money maker, huh?

Hey guys-they've already been doing it:

"Internment Resettlement Specialists Needed"

Ive done time here in California and it's even worse than they portray it on TV but that doesn't matter because I commited the crime so the time was obligated..But it did give me a lil Insight to this topic..If the Prison Guards Striked here it would be the same..They all belong to a centralized union and share same rights as Law Enforcement Officers so if they striked somebody would be needed to run the Prisons and Military would be the obvious guess. And like Muzzle Flash said they would be a welcomed change for a bit by the Inmates..but According to some people I have spoke with and books I've read if anything Catastrophic ever happened the Military wouldn't be going there to run the system they would be there to kill all undesirables to the new society.

Well hopefully if they privatize prisons across the pond, they wont sit empty like the privatized ones here do. Its upwards of billions wasted on privately owned prisons that sit empty across this country.

My uncle has worked for the California Dept of Corrections for Decades. He said he looked into moving to work for a private company because with all of the cuts Cali is having to make across the state, the money and benefits packages are starting to look better every day.

/sarcasm plus if you are guarding an empty prison, its gotta be a piece of cake,

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DD, I more often than not like your threads/replies. They're different just like I am. Seriously though, do you really believe this crap? All I keep hearing from conspiracy outlets in the States(and now the UK) is FEMA camps this, FEMA camps that. 'They're gonna put yer baby in doze dat der camps. Mmmhmph' I loved it when Alex Jones first became mainstream and I was able to listen over here across 'The Pond', but he has gone off the deep-end. He's ranting and raving like a mad schizer on meth.

Maybe they're building more prisons ( a.k.a FEMA camps ) because there's going to be an influx of crimes committed and subsequently, prisoners, due to the rising poverty levels? I don't know, just an educated guess. However, all of this 'hoopla' that that QUACK Alex Jones has started over the last couple of years about this FEMA camp BS has become almost humorous.

My impersonation of Alex Jones:

'Watch it, you will see. They're poisoning you, drugging you up, taking all of your money, gonna take your childrens toys away and burn grandmas crochet set and throw alllllllll of you in the caaaaaaaaamps! They're coming, folks! You watch. Now you can buy these organic seeds and some of this gold before you get locked up. It's the best thing for you to do, folks. Hurry, it's going fast.'

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Reminds me of Dr. Phillip Zimbardo's Stanford Prison Experiments.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
Good and then Ultimately Bad.

Good for a few weeks, because these guys don't have the prison guard mentality of domination. They haven't yet found reasonings in their mind to hate everyone, to belittle them, to HURT THEM illegally....

But give it a few months, and they will eventually come across these reasonings. They will find themselves becoming a prison guard. Slowly but surely, they will turn into heartless violent tyrants.

But on day one? They will actually be cool as hell. Way cooler than the old guys who are totally ingrained into the system of corruption and abuse of liberty. But that cool dude attitude will wear off quick...

Sorry my friend, but as a USAF vet - there are no 'friendly' civilians. Not that military gents hate all civilians, but rather military gents only trust military gents; convicts will still be treated as such by these guys.

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You know about the US building 7 fake urban cities for training for civil unrest right?

www.msnbc.msn.com...

That's what scares me

S&F, for the info, Thanks!

There's nothing sinister here.

It's normal practice here for soldiers to be drafted in to essential services like this when the workers go on strike.

The last time it happened was about 10 years ago when firemen went on strike, so the army were drafted in to fight fires with their ''Green Goddesses''.

If prison wardens go on strike then there is no other alternative ( unless you want to either set all prisoners free or let them fend for themselves in an unmanned prison ).

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Not to mention the usual approach seems to be a 3 day strike here, and 3 day strike there... not a continuous strike.. not sure (might be talking out of my bottom here) but I thought the unions now take this type of approach to striking!!

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Yes, that certainly appear to be the modus operandi nowadays.

Postal workers, rail workers, BA cabin crew etc. have all launched 3-day strikes in the last couple of years, rather than going on strike indefinitely until some agreement or compromise is met.

I'm not sure why this is, but maybe it stems from the unions not wielding as much power as they did in the 1970s and 1980s, when large-scale strikes apparently happened at the drop of a hat !

reply to post by Sherlock Holmes


I am tempted to use the cliche "no sh# sherlock",but I will hold back.


You are correct of course,there have been many times our forces take on extra work in the form of public services in times of strikes or hardship.
This is not a move to martial law IMO.

reply to post by Silcone Synapse


It was only as recently as 2002 that the army covered for the striking firemen, so this use of soldiers in a civilian capacity is pretty common knowledge for most people here.

According to the most recent site statistics, only 9.84% of unique page views come from people in the UK, so hopefully my post may have been informative to some of the other 90.16% of ATSers who may have been unaware of this emergency role that our soldiers sometimes have to perform.

Originally posted by Sherlock Holmes
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Yes, that certainly appear to be the modus operandi nowadays.

Postal workers, rail workers, BA cabin crew etc. have all launched 3-day strikes in the last couple of years, rather than going on strike indefinitely until some agreement or compromise is met.

I'm not sure why this is, but maybe it stems from the unions not wielding as much power as they did in the 1970s and 1980s, when large-scale strikes apparently happened at the drop of a hat !

If that is the approach (3 day strikes) then it doesn't matter whether the services are trained to man green goddesses (not sure we have any, any more) or act as prison guards as the military would only be giving short term cover.

Tho I know these short strikes are sold as "public friendly" I really do think that it marries into what you where saying about a distinct lack of power on the part of the unions.

It'll be support troops and/or TA who do this, rather than front line troops.

That said, this is just contingency planning in a "just in case" scenario, with the probable support of the Provost/RMP/RAFP etc etc

Some units are tasked with base protection, and MP duties, but there are TA RMP units which could be called on task for this, along with reservists who have specific training.

Contingency planning is all it is - the units are there in the event they are needed, although the handover might be interesting, from every perspective.

But please, don't let the reality spoil a conspiracy