Chinese aircraft carrier

- No it isn't Westy. What on earth is so sad about a situation where the rest of the world won't play dangerous little 'arms race' games?

I think it's a very very good thing.



- Yet on another thread you complained......" these same people are not concerned about the build up of other countries. That is hypocrite and it poses me off, causing me to have the FU its my money foreign policy."

Nothing contradictory in your view here at all, huh?

noooo China has a medium sized carrier! Run to the hills!

except just in my backyard (figurativly) in Norfolk there are 5 Nimitz carriers and groups, plus the 1st fighter wing in langly that will be equiped with the first Raptors in two months and the GHW being built in NN and two wings of fighter attack squadrons at Oceanna. This is only in the Eastern half of Virginia, so I laugh at the prospect of two dated carriers scarring the US. India has them, and you dont consider them a huge threat.

The biggest carrier after the Nimitz, I think is the French De gaul(sp). Which is pretty sad considering they only have one and they will never use it in war: China could build carriers from merchant ships like in WWII which can hold about 6-8 modern jets

wow cv77 is quite impressive .

- Correct (until the new UK carriers come along?)



- What is wrong with you Westy? Are you like 5 or something?

Why is it "sad" that France, having not been attacked not using it's carrier in a war?

Surely the carrier will have served it's purpose (along with the rest of French arms) in deterring attack?



- What for?

Just so you can indulge your war fantasies and consider yourself 'threatened' and justified in wanting your gov to go buying absurd numbers of the latest 'wang' substitute?

Phwoooaarrr, eh, eh, eh?

Umm...no the new British carrier will still be the size they are now which is about half the size of the NImitz. the only thing the new British carriers will have is new technology on board the size will remain the same. The brits have 3 carriers now which will be replaced by 2 new carriers. By the way every one on here knows the French weapons are for show cuz they wont use them in any war for obvious reasons


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Umm, I think that Kuzentov, or whatever the Russians are calling it these days, is bigger than the De Gaulle.

At least it carries more aircraft.

- Really? How come the RN is saying this then?

"The design continues to evolve but CVF is expected to displace 55,000t to 65,000t, a size between the USA's 100,000t Nimitz class and France's 43,000t Charles de Gaulle class aircraft carriers, and three times larger than the 20,000t UK Invincible class carriers."



- Yes, you see we Brits work on the basis of affordability and actual need, not in sad 'wang-waving' attempts to impress.

(and as for "brats", I think you'll find the young upstarts are yourselves....what with your idea of heritage and high culture being anything around 200yrs old. LOL)



- Er, no. The French forces serve their purpose. The French have not been attacked and therefore do not charge around the globe attacking others.

The fact that France has not used her carriers in anger is something for the French to be proud of; it is not in the least bit "sad" to any sane person..

Coming soon, if the money doesn't run out.



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Umm still only 55.000 pounds come on the Brits can do better than that and can i see alink for that info Umm the Brits have a small county the US has thousands of miles of coast, and we need to have mobile bases in case of war. The US needs to project power where we want and by having the Nimitz and 12 carriers this allows us to do that.

The "brats" was a mistype I meant to type Brits I have now corrected that word.

waynos your jets don't even have working cannons on them cuz lack of funding you think your going to get what's on that picture.

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But Westy, Britains coastline is never ending!

Here's a comparative table for you;

- why would we want to "do better than that" if we have no need to?

Do you think our tax-payers are thrilled at foregoing several schools, colleges and/or hospitals for these things for fun!?

You see? Here it is the difference between us.....we buy according to any rational calculation of actual 'need' you lot buy on the basis of attempting to impress.....which ironically enough isn't really all that.



- sure. www.naval-technology.com...



- Yeah, yeah, yeah. You carry on. Any old way to justify your blatent power games Westy.....and don't forget the old guff about freedom and democracy huh?



- Fair enough.



- don't believe everything you read Westy.

......you don't really think our eurofighters suddenly doubled in price do you? Ways and means Westy, ways and means.

Im not sure about the British carrier defense systems, but the US has the Phalanx system desigend to combat incoming terminal missles. Anything that an enemy can fire will be intercepted. It is a last line of defense. And im hearing rumors of a laser system as also future defense systems for US carriers. The Chinese carriers wont stand a chance, they will have to start from scratch to design shipborne aircraft, and we have pretty much mastered that field. A US carrier is not alone in the seas by itslef, it also has support ships and subs not to mention instant satellite communications. The key is Network Centric Warfare. If anyone attempts to bully a Nimitz class carrier, they will be fried t an extra crispy crust, skinned and sold.

Actually the Phalanx was deemed marginal aginst some of the newer Mach 2+ Russian sea skimming ASM's They are fielding what they call RAM or Rolling airframe missile. Its basically a sidewinder missile with a stinger seeker on the head. It is supposed to be able to get those missiles and it can be retrofitted to existing Phalanx systems.
www.globalsecurity.org...

That being said, as you pointed out a carrier is the biggest target but its also the best protected. From the Ageis system to SSN's its got defence in layers.

The laser hold promise but is years away.....

Sminkley Come on, Lets ask the Algerians about the French eh? And fear not, if Germany overruns them again, we will still come and bail them out.....

- Hmm, I hate to say it Fred (and believe me I really do, there's nothing amusing to me about it and I get no pleasure from the horrors that are currently going on) but yes, I suggest a chat with the French (and us Brits after if you like, although we seem to be forgetful about it at times) about the wisdom of being in countries where you are most definitely not wanted.



- Those days are thankfully long long over now Freddy.

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- IIRC the UK bought Phalanx for the current Sea Harrier carriers, I don't know which version or about any up-dates though.

People seam to have a sick mind. At times they see WMDs other times China using too much of their oil, other times aircraft carriers... Shall we call it The Powell Syndrome?

The (CVF) British carriers are not here yet if you want to compare carriers that re still in the Drawing board compare the US CVNX future carriers then you will se some differences. I'm sorry but I find this so funny the smallest carrier there is like a goldfish compared to the others, and its called the invincible class Talk about being optimistic

- True but the orders have been placed. They are coming.



- so what?

You claimed the new UK carriers were the same size as the current ones. I showed you otherwise.

Who was talking about having the biggest carriers? (other than yourself?)



- 'Invincible' is a fine historic name in the RN fleet going way back to 1747 (you know, before you guys even formed your USA).

Westy don't take the piss about this.

It would be like me insulting the names of some of the USA's famous ship names, which I have not and would not do. There's real men suffered for those names show some respect.

The Invincible class carriers were indeed small by the standards of ever our own Ark Royal (that carried Phantom and Buccaneer squadrons).

But, as the Faulklands war proved, they met the British requirement they were designed for, in full.

= They were fully up to the job asked of them...... and since when was that not the point?