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Mugabe arrests activists for watching Mid-East protests - Mandela's ANC silent.

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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The arrest of Zimbabwean activists began on the 21 February 2011.
They were simply watching the protests in the north of their continent, and discussing peaceful protest options.
Many in SA feel that the Zimabweans are too weak, and instead of flooding our resource-stretched country in the millions, they should go home and make a stand. This view is especially strong from their black SA neighbors, who feel they defeated apartheid (although most black ANC leaders spent their time as comfortable exiles in Western or Eastern-block countries, and the country was handed to the ANC after the fall of communism).
In any case, other countries did much to end apartheid in SA, but the ANC government in SA will not help the people of Zimbabwe get rid of Mugabe's dictatorship.
There are many rumors in SA.
Some say Libya's Gaddafi has had Zimbabwean mercenaries, and other black Africans are forced to shoot on civilians.
It is now established that all the detainees in Zim have been tortured.
It is also rumored that that the troubles in the Mid-East followed a national communist youth festival in SA last year. (Which wasted our precious tax money: www.iol.co.za... It was known as a flop - characterized by drunkenness, kissing games and violence, so such claims from the "baby ANC" are highly suspect - nevertheless, word has it that Mid-East leaders are livid with the ANC for allowing it.)
Mandela and his ANC had their election campaigns sponsored by Gaddafi, and as with Mugabe they say nothing and give tacit approval for torture and mass murder.

Sources: On initial crackdown of TV viewers:www.latimes.com...
On Gaddafi's funding of the ANC: iluvsa.blogspot.com...
Youth festival helped free Egypt: www.news24.com...
It appears that National Youth Agency Development speakers claimed responsibility for "liberating Egypt" to justify the massive financial waste of the festival, however, when it came to Gaddafi a while later they quickly shut up.
edit on 25-2-2011 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)




posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 10:31 AM
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Activists beaten.
I'm not sure if anybody has an idea of conditions in African socialist prisons.
Just being there is torture and life-threatening, never mind any additional torture.
www.theglobeandmail.com...[ed itby]edit on 25-2-2011 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 11:15 AM
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Speculation that Zimbabwean army is helping pro-Gaddafi forces in Libya:
www.thezimbabwean.co.uk...:zimbabwean-army-helping-gaddafi-in-libya-&catid=31:weekday-top-stori es&Itemid=30



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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If the above above is true (just like North Korea trained Zimbabwean forces to kill 20 000 Matabeles in the 1980s), then SA is and the ANC are involved.
Preceding another botched "election" in Zimbabwe in 1999, a shipment of weapons arrived in SA harbors from China to be transported to the Mugabe regime.
The ANC insisted on the legality of the transaction, but eventually the trade-union SATAWU refused to off-load the arms in SA, and they had to be transported elsewhere.
www.newzimbabwe.com...
Reflecting its own torture camps during their "struggle", the ruling faction in the ANC-led Tripartite Alliance is totally loyal to Mugabe and Gaddafi (which could foreshadow a major split).



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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Zimbabwean minister neither affirms or denies that Zimbabweans (with SA facilitated weaponry) are involved in shootings in Libya. Along with Chad some other sub-Saharan African countries are mentioned as black mercenaries of similar dictators across the continent, who are paid per head for every person they kill.
www.news24.com...
I guess the West is watching and doing nothing too, and they keep supporting the illusion of Mandela and others as "heroes".
Perhaps it should give us in SA an idea of what awaits when the masses are no longer happy with empty promises, and Western liberals join our former white liberals in abandoning the ship.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:51 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
The arrest of Zimbabwean activists began on the 21 February 2011.
They were simply watching the protests in the north of their continent, and discussing peaceful protest options.
Many in SA feel that the Zimabweans are too weak, and instead of flooding our resource-stretched country in the millions, they should go home and make a stand. This view is especially strong from their black SA neighbors, who feel they defeated apartheid (although most black ANC leaders spent their time as comfortable exiles in Western or Eastern-block countries, and the country was handed to the ANC after the fall of communism).
In any case, other countries did much to end apartheid in SA, but the ANC government in SA will not help the people of Zimbabwe get rid of Mugabe's dictatorship.
There are many rumors in SA.
Some say Libya's Gaddafi has had Zimbabwean mercenaries, and other black Africans are forced to shoot on civilians.
It is now established that all the detainees in Zim have been tortured.
It is also rumored that that the troubles in the Mid-East followed a national communist youth festival in SA last year. (Which wasted our precious tax money: www.iol.co.za... It was known as a flop - characterized by drunkenness, kissing games and violence, so such claims from the "baby ANC" are highly suspect - nevertheless, word has it that Mid-East leaders are livid with the ANC for allowing it.)
Mandela and his ANC had their election campaigns sponsored by Gaddafi, and as with Mugabe they say nothing and give tacit approval for torture and mass murder.

Sources: On initial crackdown of TV viewers:www.latimes.com...
On Gaddafi's funding of the ANC: iluvsa.blogspot.com...
Youth festival helped free Egypt: www.news24.com...
It appears that National Youth Agency Development speakers claimed responsibility for "liberating Egypt" to justify the massive financial waste of the festival, however, when it came to Gaddafi a while later they quickly shut up.
edit on 25-2-2011 by halfoldman because: (no reason given)


There is alot of rumors. Are you a disinfo agent demonizing young people? Come on tell the truth.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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WHAT?
That's funny.
I demonize Mugabe - yeah he's a young person for sure!
(LOL)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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there is alot of rumors. Are you a disinfo agent demonizing young people? Come on tell the truth.


Does any body hear this?
You can ruin a whole country, and bring millions of people in a sub-continent to its knees.

Are you a desinfo agent causing hunger and misery?

I am not a disinfo agent, I am a citizen telling a truth as I see it.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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So sick and unfortunate.
But I guess nobody cares - turn your eyes.
Soon the real horror of Zimbabwe will be known - AND ALL OF YOU, THE WORLD SAT THERE AND WATCHED IT HAPPEN!



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:32 PM
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when they came for the gay people - ATS and the world said nothing
when they came for 20 000 Matabeles ATS and the world said nothing
when they came for the white farmers ATS and the world said nothing
when they came for the activists and normal people - targeted sanctions and platitudes were on offer
so this is my final post on the topic
you all said nothing
you all have nothing to say
now that is a conspiracy
history will not forgive you



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:02 PM
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Seemingly, the politically correct brigade has tried to exonerate other bloodthirsty dictators in Africa and their mercenaries from the situation, by falsely claiming white and Arab mercenaries are used overwhelmingly by the Gaddafi regime.
The use of black mercenaries is well documented, although it really doesn't matter what race they are.
All it shows is the crucial importance of this clash for other African dictators.
In fact, for us in Africa it shows a horrifying tendency, if we should ever vote the corrupt thieves and liars out of power.
African mercenaries shooting people are a horrible situation:
www.bbc.co.uk...



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:09 PM
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In the BBC Radio News above it is asked from an African Professor: if the mercenaries are not paid, would they still do what they do?
The answer is no.
So, cut off the cash!



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 08:13 PM
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Calm down Halfoldman.

Hopefully these protests will spread further than just the middle east.

Hope it shows people in Zimbabwe they can stand up to oppression.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Yeah, sorry all.
Got a bit carried away.
My apologies.

Hard to hear from Zimbabweans about conditions in their prisons.
People kept with corpses and no toilets whatsoever.
Hard to hear about people tied up in cement bags and thrown into rivers.
Women, children already starving beaten with metal bars.
These are our neighbors.
It's not easy to hear.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:51 PM
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I sometimes find it hard to understand Zimbabweans.
I hate to generalize, but if you ask them they tell you of all these horrors.
But they don't make a collective point and shout it from the roof-tops.
To me it seems they feel ashamed.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:33 AM
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yeah, i totally understand. maybe they do feel ashamed. they got fooled by someone who they believed in.

same story all over africa. rarely do they ever do something stand up to these dictators. usually they allow themselves to be fooled by these guys. its tragic
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:58 PM
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Originally posted by halfoldman
Soon the real horror of Zimbabwe will be known - AND ALL OF YOU, THE WORLD SAT THERE AND WATCHED IT HAPPEN!


Oh I see. So South Africa is trying to stop this all by itself with no help from the world. Right. South Africa does absolutely nothing. Perhaps you should speak to your representatives and create a movement amongst the people of South Africa instead of blaming the rest of the world for not doing something about Zimbabwe's troubles.


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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 05:44 AM
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Well the world seems to love mixing in with African affairs yet when it comes to doing something important like toppling a dictator from power they don't want any of it.

Too bad we don't have oil so the west could come send us some freedom and democracy.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 10:10 AM
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Hey, firstly I did say I got carried away at a stage (after my only reply at the time called me a disinfo agent), so please do see the context.
Secondly, I did not refer to any specific country, and I imagined SA included in the accusation.

More generally, all the Sunday papers are full of info that points to conspiracy.
This includes links between SA, Zimbabwe and Libya.
Despite this the biggest arms partner of SA is the US, although that is something both countries want to obscure.
Mbeki formalized the "silent diplomacy" route of SA towards Zimababwe (i.e. doing nothing), and George W. Bush called Mbeki his "point-man" on Zim.
And let's face it, Morgan Tsvangerai is hardly an inspiring leader (despite the hell the poor man must have gone through), so the whole Zim opposition needs a major metaphorical enema.

Today the papers speak of over 50 Zim activists held and tortured by Mugabe.
They also link SA directly to arms sold to Gaddafi.
But even the rats are abandoning the ship in the current global climate - the ANC now urge Gaddafi to stop killing his people.
I will post more when the Sunday papers become public property, and I can link to articles directly.

Thanks for caring, and not abandoning Africa.
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posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 09:31 PM
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South Africa has had nuke technology for decades. They should drop one on Mugabe's palace.



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