Free Energy: Philippine DOE Verifies Self-Charging Electric Car

Had to add this as a free energy concept issue:

There are only two types of energy, those where we know where it comes from, and those that we don't.

Free is not in the equation.

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Not at all. That's why prefab houses are cheaper you gain efficiency. Stick building a house is as inefficient as it gets. Most ones making any money use pre fab parts like trusses, and gables and such. The dome is built in half the time and Uses all the same parts. Thera are a few different size legs to build the tetrahedrons. It is the second cheapest way to build a house. It uses car less material and has less labor.

The cheapest way is a variation of the geodesic called a monolithic dome. It uses a blower to blow up a plastic bubble that polyurethane foam is sprayed on. Then it hardens and rebar is tied to it. Then shotcrete spayed on that. It takes about 3 days to build a house and has r 66.

Just saying that's not the case at all. Sorry to go off topic

Originally posted by Movescamp
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These folks are not always worried about the money part but the ownership. Why? Because if the investor owns the patten he can stop production and control the way it's used. So a good sumaritan would be nervous about such things. Because some bigtime Corp will steal the idea patent it and stop anyone from making it benefit humanity

Makes perfect sense, I didn't think of that being a motive for design control.

With all of the examples given, the difference still seems to be that they were all proven and used, in however limited a role.

But I just don't see a tesla free energy machine being proven, or used anywhere. I will always admit I could be wrong, so I'll keep looking.

And to go even further off topic on the dome issue, I would imagine that was a case of people not wanting to live in a dome. Where as I don't think anyone would care where their energy was coming from, in relation to a tesla device. Obviously environmental people would prefer not to use coal and what not, but that isn't really the issue here.

Anyway, I've got to go to bed, I'm afraid at how long this thread will be by the time I check in on it tomorrow

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You are right. But most people think of money wise not where the power originates. The free energy is from the cosmos. So ts not free. It's just manipulating laws of physics to yield energy. The ones with the least moving parts and production equipment needed will be the cheapest but not free even monetarily.

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Wow! that sounds awsome. my friends and I were looking for something like what you described in that monolithic dome house. Where can i find info on it ei. builders, lay-outs, cost. Oh and not meaning to be off subject wherein my intent was to comment the free energy car. The car sounds awsome I hope he makes it all-be-it big oil would certainly by him out. for what its worth though i think so called free energy tech is already here. I just think the big money corps. keep them buried. I came up with a electrical system for electric vehicles. The system would allow a vehicle to be driven any speed, for any distance, in any manner. The restriction was in the total allowable operational time of the system.My partners have it down to a little over a year on Thunderstruck batteries anddd about 8 years on Altairnano batteries (if we could afford them...lol). Those times are all without pluging in to recharge, putting fuel in it, or being hygrogen or solor or some crap like that. Bad azz I think. Were still working it. But in the mean time in between time were designing a Alpha particle Li-ion battery. along way to go but in its infancy its looking good. Now how bout that monolithic dome house, that sounds so neat and cost effective. Can I get some links?

Oh and flag on this free energy subject. Pretty soon we will be able to change the box we have to think outside of! exciting times indeed!

PS: sorry for any typos in advance. I know their in there. Nasty lil buggers!

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I work construction.

Precast and prefab cost 1.35 times stick build and this is at a minimum.

Issues are as follows:

Precast and prefab has limited competition.
Precast and prefab have limited ability to adapt to changes or issues.
Precast and prefab involve shipments of weight - shipping is becoming a larger concern, and will continue to grow.
Precast and prefab installation teams are currently rare, their rates are far higher than traditional frames (expected).
Increased design and preproduction time...time costs money.

Stickbuild parts and accessories are available everywhere from a multitude of suppliers.
Stickbuild can adapt design on the fly.
Stickbuild shipping is cheap and light.
Abundance of trained tradesmen.

We will eventually move from stick built square to prefab dome, it just hasn't happened yet. I give 10-15 years before they are fully equitable.

Btw, I'm not arguing that dome construction is in fact far superior (it is), it's just all the systems are in place for square stick build.

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Sorry but I am to in construction. I install home automation systems and have been a carpenter since I could hold a hammer.

Prefab has a stigma because they are mobile homes. Obviously mobile homes are far cheaper to build. They are built in a workshop, with all the materials and tools readily available and some automation. They have jigs and templates that get the home built many times faster than any stickbuilt home. They can also manufacture any weather any season. Even at today's rate where you are right competition is minimal modular homes cost 50-80 dollars per sq ft vs 80 -150 for stickbuilt homes.

Domes are even less. It's one big roof. All interior walls are aesthetic. I would be happy to show you manufactures and you can compare stickbuilt homes of the same footage with half as much r value.

There is no comparison with monolithic domes. The vast majority it labor. 6 men can build a monolithic dome of 2000 square ft in three days. Dried in ready to cut out window opening and put elstomeric on the roof.

The real problem is you can not get loans for these homes because they don't look like your neighbors. So nearly everyone owning a dome has payed in full or come up with clever financing.

Fuller intended these to be manufactured out of metal and composites for obvious manufacturing reasons. They are also light enough to be helicoptered. I am serious. He thought very hard about this design. They can be assembled on site as well. Think of it. Three to ten different size legs (depending on how round you want it) connected by hubs interconnected tetrahedrons. Then overlaid with a sheeting product.

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Google monolithic dome.

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Your example only works if you have prefab and modular in your area.

I don't have that luxury...unless you want a trailer.

For my area, I would have to have it shipped, average shipping around $500/ 1000lbs.

Add in hoisting equipment rental, crew transportation / room and board (no framer in my area will touch modular), etc.

Price adds up fast.

I eagerly await modular construction to get to my area in numbers, I really do dream of having erection start and close in happening with in a week span...my customers would love it too .

I regularly read up on some of these building techniques and most look exciting to say the least. It just hasn't got to my neck of the woods yet.

Please mods don't delete me but I want to present the Damarion car. Invented in the 40's when. If we had used the genius and ingenuity of American innovation at the turn of the century for the greater good we would all be living at a much higher standard of living. Please take a look at this car and than imagine if or societies embraced these type of inventions.
Dymaxion car


And yes thy is Amelia Erhardt in the car with Bucky.

Originally posted by Movescamp
Please mods don't delete me but I want to present the Damarion car. Invented in the 40's when. If we had used the genius and ingenuity of American innovation at the turn of the century for the greater good we would all be living at a much higher standard of living. Please take a look at this car and than imagine if or societies embraced these type of inventions.
Dymaxion car


And yes thy is Amelia Erhardt in the car with Bucky.

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