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Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by amongus
Unions are bull snip. Nobody should be guaranteed job security and regular raises just because they belong to a pack of wolves.
Yes, I generalized, but unions are whats wrong with this country.
Wow. I had no idea. UNIONS are what's 'wrong with this country'. Not state legislatures with mis-allocated pension funds for pet projects, not Democrats and Republicans who authorize President's to wage endless wars, not a corrupt former MMS allowing BP to spew millions of gallons of oil all over the gulf coast.... NOPE, it's UNIONS, groups of people organizing to give themselves and equal playing feild on the job market whcih is heavily slanted towards employers..
Yep, America was SO much better becofre unions ruined everything.
Why, I remember when if a shoeless child wanted to work in a factory 18 hours a day, the Big Bad Gubbermint didn't step in and say no! Those were the days!
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
What jobs were just killed? There will be layoffs if they cannot control the budget, then we will really see stuff hit the fan.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Socialism/Communism is always ushered in under the guise of do-goodism. If not, no one would ever implement any of their plans. In them good ol days, Socialists hated the communists only because they used violence and imprisonment to implement their plans, aka gulags. Ever hear of Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Socialism is just the bridge to Totalitarian communism. Or call it Globalism if it makes you feel better.
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
What jobs were just killed? There will be layoffs if they cannot control the budget, then we will really see stuff hit the fan.
You don't think teachers. correction officers and firefighters losing many of the aspects of their compensation that makes their job's desirable wont make fewer people want to apply for those jobs in that state? It's a DIRECT correlation.
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Socialism/Communism is always ushered in under the guise of do-goodism. If not, no one would ever implement any of their plans. In them good ol days, Socialists hated the communists only because they used violence and imprisonment to implement their plans, aka gulags. Ever hear of Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Socialism is just the bridge to Totalitarian communism. Or call it Globalism if it makes you feel better.
Disregarding all the obvious factual errors in your post (which i'd gladly address if they were even close to on topic), how does that prove your statement that unions are to blame for all our societies ills?edit on 26-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Socialism/Communism is always ushered in under the guise of do-goodism. If not, no one would ever implement any of their plans. In them good ol days, Socialists hated the communists only because they used violence and imprisonment to implement their plans, aka gulags. Ever hear of Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Socialism is just the bridge to Totalitarian communism. Or call it Globalism if it makes you feel better.
Disregarding all the obvious factual errors in your post (which i'd gladly address if they were even close to on topic), how does that prove your statement that unions are to blame for all our societies ills?edit on 26-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh yes, and it is your statement which is entirely false. I have not said Unions were the blame for all our societies ills. You just interpreted it that way. You need to do more homework and stop misconstruing people's words.
Originally posted by amongus
Unions are bull snip. Nobody should be guaranteed job security and regular raises just because they belong to a pack of wolves.
Yes, I generalized, but unions are whats wrong with this country.
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Socialism/Communism is always ushered in under the guise of do-goodism. If not, no one would ever implement any of their plans. In them good ol days, Socialists hated the communists only because they used violence and imprisonment to implement their plans, aka gulags. Ever hear of Alexander Solzhenitsyn? Socialism is just the bridge to Totalitarian communism. Or call it Globalism if it makes you feel better.
Disregarding all the obvious factual errors in your post (which i'd gladly address if they were even close to on topic), how does that prove your statement that unions are to blame for all our societies ills?edit on 26-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by inkyminds
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
No, what I am saying is you attempting to conflate the specific unions being discussed in this thread with the worst examples of TOTALITARIAN regimes is wildly inaccurate, disingenuous, and most importantly, off-topic.
You and several others i this thread have made the claim SEVERAL times now that unions have bankrupted Wisconsin, but none of you have provided even a shred of evidence to support that claim.
I suspect your off-topic ramblings about "Socialism" are likely to deflect from this lack of evidence.You have been asked SEVERAL direct questions in this thread that you have quite obviously avoided. Why is that?edit on 26-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Oh yes, and it is your statement which is entirely false. I have not said Unions were the blame for all our societies ills. You just interpreted it that way. You need to do more homework and stop misconstruing people's words.
You re correct, it was your buddy 'amongus' who said unions are 'what is wrong with this country'
Originally posted by amongus
Unions are bull snip. Nobody should be guaranteed job security and regular raises just because they belong to a pack of wolves.
Yes, I generalized, but unions are whats wrong with this country.
Originally posted by inkyminds
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
Well, it IS off-topic. A history of totalitarian regimes with the implication that these unions in Wisconsin will lead to the same sort of mass-murders is wildly off-topic and akin to Red Baiting of the McCarthy era.
So you still think it is 'fair' to deny workers access to pensions they paid into 100% because politicians mismanaged the funds?
Why?
Do you always have this habit of taking people's words and misconstruing them? Ok who did the mismanagement of funds? Was it Walker? His predecessors?
Red-baiting? Well, until you can prove that the current WH Occupier did not appoing a self-proclaimed communist by the name of Van Jones, your judgement is way off target.
Deny workers their pensions? Heres the truth about that little myth if you dare to take off the blinders:
www.nationalreview.com...edit on
"Unfortunately, his “smoking gun” is not true. Not even close.
The Wisconsin Retirement System and deferred compensation are two completely separate things. Full-time state- and local-government employees are participants in the Wisconsin Retirement System, which uses taxpayer money to fund both the state (around 5 percent of salary) and employee (another 5 percent) contributions to their pensions.
On top of that, if they choose, state employees can participate in the deferred-comp plan, where they decide how much of their money to set aside, pre-tax, and a portion is matched by the state. That is in addition to their traditional pension contribution.
All this can be found in Chapter 40 of the Wisconsin State Statutes, which clearly demarcates each program in separate subchapters. Further, the Wisconsin Retirement System is explained in detail in this paper from the Wisconsin Legislative Fiscal Bureau.
This is what happens when national writers become instant experts in state-benefit issues — expect a correction post soon. Sadly, the toothpaste might already be out of the tube."
26-2-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
edit on 26-2-2011 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by inkyminds
Third eye, I've asked you several direct questions in relation to the actual topic.
Do you care to respond to them and have a forward moving discussion?
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
And yes, Socialism/communism is generally at the core of what is going on in the country right now. The current Occupier is well versed in Marxist philosophy and is heavily implementing policies according to his Marxist/Fabian Socialist worldview.
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
And yes, Socialism/communism is generally at the core of what is going on in the country right now. The current Occupier is well versed in Marxist philosophy and is heavily implementing policies according to his Marxist/Fabian Socialist worldview.
I see. Well, then can you explain to me how "Communism" is directly related to this specific issue in Wisconson? Specifically.
Personally, I think you have it wrong, and CORPORATISM is what this issue is about, and the direction our current President as well as most politicians are leading us, where American workers have as many rights as a 'chinese coolie.
Originally posted by inkyminds
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
And yes, Socialism/communism is generally at the core of what is going on in the country right now. The current Occupier is well versed in Marxist philosophy and is heavily implementing policies according to his Marxist/Fabian Socialist worldview.
I see. Well, then can you explain to me how "Communism" is directly related to this specific issue in Wisconson? Specifically.
Personally, I think you have it wrong, and CORPORATISM is what this issue is about, and the direction our current President as well as most politicians are leading us, where American workers have as many rights as a 'chinese coolie.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
You see I already posted my response before you asked it. And no, it is communists/Marxists whose agenda it always was and always will be to break Capitalism, and therefore they constantly attack corporatism. However, they still use Capital and the corporate world to achieve their ends, as always to them, "the ends justifies the means". I am certainly not a fan of corporate monopolism, but I see through the disguise against corporations.