Wisconsin Assembly Passes Anti-Union Bill

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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Wisconsin Assembly Passes Anti-Union Bill


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The Wisconsin Assembly early Friday passed a bill that would strip most public workers of their collective bargaining rights -- the first significant action on the new Republican governor's plan.

The vote put an end to three straight days of punishing debate, but the political standoff over the bill is far from over. The measure now goes to the Senate, where minority Democrats have been missing for a week, preventing a vote in that chamber.
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:29 AM
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Let the strikes begin, the protests, THE REVOLUTION. Time for an Egypt revolution in America. Enough with the bankers and the corporations corrupting officials and raping the middle-class.

Let's get this whole thing started. I know unions have big big big problems, and that the states have a big big big money problem...

Better start now then wait for all the country to be bankrupt, or a new false-flag is pulled, or a new war started, or the dollar collapse... let's start it now.

It's not quite over yet, they still need democrats in the senate to pass it.

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:34 AM
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I agree. I wont lie I thought that this would have played out a different way. Though I have my own opinions on the unions, this is going to start a whole new can of whoop on those that need it. People are tired of being stepped on, what what TPTB dont seem to understand is that this particular sector was not the way to get it started.

Peace, NRE.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:39 AM
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About Freaking time.

The start of a new day for America. The Wave will continue.

And, it's about time the Dems learn from their "leader" Obama....

Elections have consequences.



*snip*. No, better yet. Stay away. We'll do better with out you.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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Public unions are perversions of their private counterparts.

They should be banned. They ruin it for real unions.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:48 AM
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Time for an Egypt revolution in America.


That will never happen with this group because not enough people sympathize with them or their Unions.
In fact, the general consensus that Im feeling across the country is that most people believe that these guys are in the wrong and are in support of the Govt, especially from people that are already in right to work states.

Sorry but itll take more than Union protests to ignite a spark across the country.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:49 AM
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Can't believe people are so happy and joyful over a state passing a bill that would basically leave employees at the mercy of the employer.

What is this? the 1800's?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 04:53 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
Can't believe people are so happy and joyful over a state passing a bill that would basically leave employees at the mercy of the employer.


Haha, what's the matter? Do you work for the government?

This only affects people who work directly for the state in certain capacities, not the productive class.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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That's hardly the point. The bottom line is there is no money.
The government is broke. People are losing their homes AND
their jobs left and right. This is just the beginning. How can
it possibly stop when things are obviously only going to get
worse?
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:12 AM
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I belong to 3 separate unions. AFSCME, AF of M and PPAN. So, without salary and benefits, Im screwed, and stand to lose all. Just have to let the cards fall I suppose..but I am wondering. All union brothers and sisters here? Check in. Lets see what we got here at ATS.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:31 AM
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I don't see the big fuss, we don't have any of these benefits in VA. So what if they have to be like us in other states?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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My husband and I both come from strong union families, and now he is a member of the IBEW Operators. Our dads and grandfathers were hard workers...plumbers, steamfitters, coalminers, stonecutters, electricians...the men that built the infrastructure of this country.

I'm proud of this heritage, but sometimes on the fence about unions themselves...we hear about abuse and corruption in every sector. I hope one day we see a return of the values that made these unions strong...the intestinal fortitude of the men and women that were those first members.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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Im only referring here to America. I think because as union members with contract guarantees, we bought houses, cars, education, sought medical treatment that maybe was avoided for years because we had no money...sent our kids to karate and ballet classes and got used to and planned our lives around these things.

I'd like to say I didnt personally, but I have friends and co-workers who (unrealistically) planned that way and never thought it could get taken away, they'd have no home, kids need to back out of college, and they'd have to stop seeing the doctor or buying medicines they need etc.

Im glad I guess that I never agreed with upping ones lifestyle if you get that "union" job. I thought it pretty crazy to buy a bigger home, better car, bigger tv's etc...while life itself has no real guarantee....and it could get taken away in a heartbeat...or hic-cup.

PS. I am Chairman of my Local By-Laws Committee, and with that union, our contract is up April 30, 2011 at 11:59 p.m. No way am I optimistic towards the negotiations
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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Originally posted by mysterioustranger
I belong to 3 separate unions. AFSCME, AF of M and PPAN. So, without salary and benefits, Im screwed, and stand to lose all. Just have to let the cards fall I suppose..but I am wondering. All union brothers and sisters here? Check in. Lets see what we got here at ATS.

Steel. And as a former chief steward in the pubic sector...we unionised because of bad management practices, and once we became Steel, I stayed real busy for the same reasons. Those who say there is no need for unions in the public sector speak from ignorance.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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People are on the fence about this issue, that is happening in Wisconsin, and here is where it stands. The current problem lies with the Unions, and prior administrations, who made deals, and mismanaged funds. It has left all but 5 states in the red, when it comes to the pensions, where they have short falls and deficits that go on up into the billions. States can not ignore those debts, nor can they continue to allow new workers to get the same kind of benefits as those who are already hired, as it would further the problem. Unions have become corrupt and more of a political tool, than one that would help the workers off. It is very bad, when every part of the public sector that would aid people, are controlled by unions, thus causing the raise in costs and adding to the problem. So there has to be compromise, and by the elected officials, who decides to leave the state they are suppose to be in, it is shameful and ultimately causes a lack of confidence in the entire process of our government. The actions of a few, have brought a states government to a halt, no new laws can be passed, and thus they lose by default.
Those who receive public money to do their job, should never be allowed to either strike or be unionized, as the local and federal government has to follow the rules and laws. Yet they are allowed to unionize and can strike when ever they so choose, causing an inconvenience to the public to which is ultimately their employer. The governor of Wisconsin, did not create this problem with that states budget, those in office did not sign the agreements that bind them. However, they were elected to clean up the messes that was left to them, and they are having to make cuts, and some that are painful, across the board. How can they make cuts, if a union threatens to strike, if it affects them? It is a lose/lose situation, and neither side is wanting to give up much, while all along both sides are exploiting it, and the real victims are the people who are caught in the middle. While many people are supporting the union, at the same time, that support is slowly eroding by the lawmakers actions.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 08:45 AM
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I come from a background of Union members. My Dad and Grandad were proud members of the Carpenters Union. My Grandpa and Great Grandpa were life long Coalminers. I can definitely say that their union memberships allowed them to work better jobs and receive better pay in most instances. It gave them a voice in the direction their professional futures took.

As a kid, I was taught why unions were necessary and how they had helped our families and other families like us. I heard all the horror stories of how the WV coalminers were mistreated and worked to death. How the mine owners "OWNED" the miners, literally, scripting their pay and charging outrageous amounts for their housing and necessities, which could only be paid for in the coalmines own "script".

It was a hard won battle when the unions came in and these free slaves were given basic work rights.

Now with that said, I can say from my own observations, that it appears the unions which were such a saving grace in the beginning, seem to have grown into behemoths which are beginning to resemble the bully employers of the past. The unions have grown to a "be all take all" mentality. What started as fighting for basic workers rights and better environments, appears to me to have grown into, in some cases, obtaining the best of all benefits, pay and hours, the cost be damned. I think there is definitely a need for workers to have a voice and obtain the best available for them and their families. But reason needs to temper choice.

Our economy and the financial state of affairs in our country is hurting. People are hurting. Some like to point out that this is the individuals fault. In some cases yes, but, frankly, I couldn't spend a trillion dollars. WE got to this point over time thru poor choices of our governments, our societies and ourselves. We have to get out in the same manner of better choices of our governments, our societies and ourselves.

It is necessary to say, "Yes, there will be NO cost of living raises...Yes, you will have to pay a higher percentage of your benefit costs..." "Yes, I am willing to cinch in my belt financially, as one of the many to ride out this lean time...Yes, I would rather all of us be working for a piece of the pie, rather than a few of us carving it up for ourselves." I am not talking socialism or division of other peoples wealth to those who don't have it. Rather I am saying, you don't have to have a gilded toilet seat when a standard one sufficiently suits the purpose.

Now, as pertaining to the situation in Wisconsin, I think this is pure and simple a power ploy. If either political side really wanted to work this out they could. Underhanded techniques used by both sides only show how utterly ridiculous their thinking is. The Democrats refuse to go to work because they know they don't have the votes to prevent passage. The Republicans work out a voting ploy in the assembly that railroads the vote. The main point is, the people of Wisconsin and now Ohio, Rhode Island and more, must determine if their governments are truly working in their best interests or in the interests of BIG business. Who stands to gain from the thrust of these actions, is it the overall populace and the economy, or the pocketbooks of business and politically motivated individuals?

Don't let union loyalty or government fearmongering color your good sense. Review ALL the facts and make up your OWN minds. Fight for the survival of your families, your societies, your states, and your country. Sometimes, winning (surviving), does not mean coming out on top the victor. Sometimes it means WORKING TOGETHER towards a common goal so the majority can survive. A house divided, cannot stand.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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I wasnt even going to go there with the corruption factor ala Jimmy Hoffa etc....I think thats a given. Id like an explanation why my Local gets $3.00 of the monthly dues while the National gets $35.00.
So, just locally...we have 450 members x $38.00 monthly x all the rest of the bros and sis's State Wide x 50 States. Thats a lot of peanuts. Hmmmm...And if and when you quit...no one EVER gets anything. So who does?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:33 AM
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Originally posted by muse7
Can't believe people are so happy and joyful over a state passing a bill that would basically leave employees at the mercy of the employer.

What is this? the 1800's?


If you took the time to actually - read the bill - you would discover that it does NOT remove ALL
collective bargaining.
It's not the end of the world.
Gov. Scott Walker is just creating an environment where Wisconsin can - succeed -.
Plugging financial holes with federal $$$ bailouts is irresponsible and short sighted.
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Originally posted by Exuberant1
Public unions are perversions of their private counterparts.

They should be banned. They ruin it for real unions.


Good news! Franklin Roosevelt agrees with you.
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:51 AM
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Public employees are employees by the taxpayers.

How dare the employees be at the will of the taxpayers.

Brilliant one Sherlock.


 
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