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Woman Says Rape, Judge says Sex Was In The Air

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:10 PM
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If anyone ever assaults any of my lady friends, they would pray to be put in jail to escape the old west vigilante justice that would be sure to follow them down.




posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:19 PM
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This may have some of the additional information you all for some reason seem to need. But now, of course, this will become...well this is her side.

Rape victim slams judge's decision not to jail 'clumsy Don Juan'


"I wasn't dressed like a skank. I was like 20 years old, wearing a tube top. It was summer," said the victim who cannot be identified as she is the victim of a sexual assault.

The foursome left the parking lot in a vehicle, headed into the woods, court was told. Rhodes began making sexual advances toward the victim, who initially rejected him but later returned his kisses. Rhodes then forced himself upon the woman once they were alone.

"I didn't like the guy. He was beyond creepy, a real pervert," she said Thursday. "He deserves to be behind bars for what he did." She had asked her friend to stop the car to let her out because she no longer wanted to be near Rhodes. Unfortunately, he also exited as the other two drove away, leaving them alone together on the highway.

Rhodes pleaded not guilty at the trial on the basis he thought the woman had consented. Dewar rejected his defence — but said aspects of it could be considered in sentencing.

"This is a different case than one where there is no perceived invitation," said Dewar. "This is a case of misunderstood signals and inconsiderate behaviour." Dewar said he didn't want to be seen as blaming the victim but that all of the factors surrounding the case must be viewed to assess "moral blameworthiness."

More stories on the aftermath and investigation...

Dozens brave cold to tell judge ‘no means no’ in rape cases

Judge's rape sentence to be investigated

Judicial council reviews judge's sex assault remark

And lots more. At least he's not getting away with it and she and others are standing up and speaking out!

edit on 2/25/2011 by ~Lucidity because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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So all women at the beach are asking for a good rapin?

Where are you from? Who raised you to think like that?

So if some guy breaks out a wallet full of hundreds, and I rob him, I should get a slap on the wrist because he was begging to be robbed?

If someone leaves a child unattended, I should get off with a warning if I snatch it up? Because the parents were just begging to have their child stolen?

What a ridiculous idea.

Edit to add, And God help the plumber with his butt crack hanging out, lord knows he is just begging to be buggered, right? Lol.
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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 10:38 PM
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This is a strange story, clearly all evidence is he said she said conviction. It sounds like the judge has doubts about the woman's story, which certainly is fishy.

They were going to go swimming at a lake in the middle of the night, without swim suits?

The woman first says no, and they gives in to the mans sexual advances, kissing him back.

She then asks to get out of HER FRIEND'S car, to get away from the guy, but when the guy gets out with her, she didn't object or get back into the car?

Why would her friend leave her along the road with a guy she was trying to get away from?

Did she try running away from this guy? How far away did her girlfriend go? Did she scream for help?

If a woman is being raped, she should be screaming and punching, and trying to run away.

A few weak no's followed by heavy panting is a good description of about half the seduction scenes in the movies. If a woman is being raped, she should make it abundantly clear, once again, screaming, punching, running.

Without the screaming, punching, and attempting to run away, I don't see how it can be called rape.

I have had girls play these games with me, and call the next day and ask why I went home.

I am wondering if an innocent man was convicted on the word of a woman who decided afterward that she was raped.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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I'm from the city where this rape happened and i knew the rapist; He's a cabbie who took advantage of a drunk passenger. I used to drive cab along side this man, he's a typical single loner type, i knew he done this before because an aqaintance of mine had sex with him years ago, she was drunk and intimidated into sex. I knew of other cabbies in my old hometown of Thompson MB who practice this type of rape, it's quite common there and well known. It's like an obligation for drunk woman in Thompson to offer sex in lieu of money for a ride home.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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'Dressing for sex' does not mean you fully intend to have sex with someone 0_o

If I am single and I go to a night club I 'dress for sex'... I wear jeans specifically chosen for being slim yet easy to remove, trainers I don't need to unlace everything to undress quickly...and my best underwear of course
But that certainly doesn't mean I will definitly have sex or want to have sex with every woman I see.

I'd do the same if I was single and out with an attractive female friend who is also singe....it's dressing for the possibility not dressing because it's what you intend to happen.

So even if she did dress for sex....it doesn't mean she actually wanted to have it at all...



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 01:52 PM
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Or men should just stop ignoring the weak panted "no's" for their own protection. Movies are movies.

Dont put it in until you get an affirmative. Make it part of the foreplay if you must, but make her say yes first. That clears that little mess up right there, without making women responsible for mens behavior. Save the rape games for when you are in a consenting relationship with someone who has indicated that is what they want, and you have established a safe word or something.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Yep, I hooked up with this one girl, about 22 I'd guess, back at a shared house it gets hot and heavy, I'm cleared for landing so to speak lol, then she drops the 'rape fantasy' phrase!
- Jese I made my excuses and left in exactly 2 heart beats lol - I wouldn't mind if I knew her, but this was the first time we'd met, probably been hanging out for less than 3 hours in the bars.

No names, no telephone numbers and frustratingly none of the in out.

edit and she was awesomely hot and good fun, not too drunk and yes she was dressed to pull lads.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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I see lots of inconsistencies in her story. Provocative dress, booze, going into the woods, going to skinny dip, leaving her friend and others alone to be with this guy. Yes, she could have gotten back into the vehicle. Kissing him? Even though he's "repulsive"? Did the guy rape her? Maybe. Did they have sex and he said something stupid after like, "Thanks for the lay, see you chickie?" and this is payback for that? Maybe. Ask yourself if that hasn't happened before. All it takes is a woman's word and you're toast. The guy's convicted, put on the sex offender registry. His life is ruined. If he raped her, he deserves it. If he didn't, well tough nooggies I guess.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:18 PM
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You were smart. Its hard, no pun intended, but you did the right thing.

If you dont know someone well, dont take chances, take responsibility for your own well being and welfare. It sucks to walk away at that moment, when its just sooooooo close, but its the only smart thing to do if you cant get the all clear signal.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 04:47 PM
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When it comes down to your word against her word, if you don't have a signed contract you are screwed these days.

How about if we start making women responsible for their own behavior. That would be a nice change. How dare we expect a woman to make it perfectly clear that she means no, like by physically demonstrating that she is being violated by some screaming, fighting, and attempting to run away. Instead what we have is a system where the woman can just go with the flow, and then make up her mind she was raped later on.

Then again, maybe we should do business contracts like that. I said no at the beginning, so I was raped by the salesman who talked me into buying something I could not afford.

People shouldn't be going to jail for buyer's remorse.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:00 PM
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A signed contract might not be a bad idea, actually. A tad unromantic..............but.......lol.

My point is just that you can hope someone else changes their behavior so that your life is not put in jeopardy, or you can take control yourself. No one has as much stake in your life as you do, and so, it is always safer to change YOUR behavior, rather than hope, pray, insist, etc., that someone else do what is in your best interests.

Edit to add;

And your screaming fighting etc., not a great idea. Every person needs to judge for themselves what their best course of action is. If someone has been attacked by someone they suspect may kill them to shut them up, maybe yelling isnt the smartest thing.

You have NO right to say how someone else should act in a situation in which they could be in mortal danger. None.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:17 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
A signed contract might not be a bad idea, actually. A tad unromantic..............but.......lol.


We could always film things... Just saying.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 05:23 PM
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Here's a horrifying scenario:

By my appearance and listed place of birth - some "authority" could conclude that I am Denise Richards and sentence me to babysit Charlie Sheen.

Uh oh.

I need to go buy some hair dye now and alter my birth certificate.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 08:32 PM
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The problem today, and probably often in the past depending on the class rank of the woman and the man, is that women get men convicted of rape on nothing but their say, and in questionable circumstances like this, it is bullocks.

If the guy has a gun or knife to her throat, then it would be extremely dangerous for her to physically retaliate, and we are way beyond date rape under those circumstances. Doesn't sound like the guy threatened the woman's life in these circumstances.

These date rape scenarios should require the woman to do some screaming and fighting to protect her honor. If she can't muster that much resistance, than far as I am concerned, she was a willing participant. At that point the line has become far too blurry to ignore reasonable doubt.

My personal experience is that most women want to be seduced, especially the first time. They play that yes no, please don't stop game, and us guys enjoy it as much as them. The reward can be amazing, but the guy really has to be careful. Personally, I would get up and leave if the signals got to be too mixed.

I think for any date rape conviction to stick, there as to be some screaming and fighting on the girls part, to dispel reasonable doubt.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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I just disagree. You cant make a blanket rule that women have to resist physically for it to be rape and have it be fair.

Should men have to assault their mugger for it to be robbery?

If a kidnapped person goes quietly with their kidnapper does that invalidate the kidnapping?

You have pretty much said what you issue is, you like the yes no game, and you dont want to have to stop playing it, but you dont want to suffer any consequences.

I know a LOT of guys. Not one person I know has ever been falsely accused of rape, nor has any of the many women I know ever falsely accused someone of rape. I know a couple women who have been raped and or assaulted. One at knife point, who has defensive wounds on her hands because he tried to kill her afterward. One friend managed to throw the guy off her, after he broke into her room and shoved her blankets and pillow over her face and suffocate her while trying to rape her. Your odds of being falsely accused of rape are far, far lower than the average womans odds of being actually raped are.

Honestly. You are sounding incredibly self centered to take an issue as serious as rape, that affects so many women, and whose lives are in real danger, many lose their lives in the event, because you want to play the "yes no" sex game with no consequences.

How many men do you know, personally, that have been convicted of rape based on some woman changing her mind after consensual sex? I know it happens, but really, how often?

Just use good sense. Get to know the woman long enough before boinking her to determine if she has some serious psychological stuff going on. If you just want to have risky casual sex with women you barely know, why on Earth do you think the whole female population should have to fight physically her rapist and risk dying in some cases or give up her right to press charges?

You are being really, really selfish here.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:25 PM
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For God's sake, a woman has to fight and scream or it is not rape?

You do realize that by doing so, that it sometimes makes the end result of the crime worse, such as severe beating or in most cases death.

Give me a break.


This is the reason that I will continue to post these outrageous stories, because the discourse on the topic is truly and desperately needed around these parts.

Wanted to add a thank you to lucidity for the follow up posts regarding this case.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:29 PM
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Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
How many men do you know, personally, that have been convicted of rape based on some woman changing her mind after consensual sex? I know it happens, but really, how often?


Not just rape but domestic abuse too. I work in corrections, see it all the time. It doesn't matter that the poor bastards life is shattered. That's the system. "Whoops, too bad. You got unlucky." We're paying for the sins of the past. That's not right.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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Originally posted by intrepid

Not just rape but domestic abuse too. I work in corrections, see it all the time. It doesn't matter that the poor bastards life is shattered. That's the system. "Whoops, too bad. You got unlucky." We're paying for the sins of the past. That's not right.
You work in corrections, I am understanding your comments to mean you see wrongful convictions all the time. Do you know this from your discussions with the cons? Or because you sit in on the cases? I am going to assume you were not present for the crimes themselves. Your statements are quite broad. My understanding is there are more women who remain silent about their rapes/domestic violence (out of shame, etc.) than wrongfully convicted rapists/domestic abusers.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:46 PM
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Originally posted by hotbakedtater
You work in corrections, I am understanding your comments to mean you see wrongful convictions all the time. Do you know this from your discussions with the cons?


Pre and post sentencing, yes.


I am going to assume you were not present for the crimes themselves.


As I expect that you weren't there either.



My understanding is there are more women who remain silent about their rapes/domestic violence (out of shame, etc.) than wrongfully convicted rapists/domestic abusers.


That's my understanding too. My question is why should an "innocent" man be convicted because some women won't come forward when they should? Bad logic imo. Punish the sex for the few that err?
edit on 26-2-2011 by intrepid because: Added "innocent".




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