Jared Loughner the alleged Tucson shooter - So many questions - so few answers .

reply to post by filosophia


This is from your link ........


In another filing Sunday, prosecutors also argue that they should have access to Bureau of Prisons records, "no matter the content of those records."
The filing is in response to a defense motion that argues the prosecution should not be allowed to have certain records, including notes from two psychologists who talked to Loughner shortly after his arrest and video of his solitary confinement cell while he was on suicide watch.




So they have pyschologists notes and video . Will we see this ever ? I doubt it
I agree that they should have access to these things .
They would help us ascertain " Loughner's " mental stability .


Peace .

Originally posted by filosophia

Well considering they are saying he used a glock 9 mm, the autopsy should reveal that everyone killed or injured was done with a glock 9, otherwise the entire case falls apart. But I'm guessing the autopsy will be heavily redacted.

Hi Filosophia,


JFK's autopsy was heavily redacted, so why not the comparatively low visibility hit of Judge Roll? Maybe in 45 years will discover what happened in the Giffords Shooting. In the meanwhuile here's what was determined 45 years later about the JFK assassination forensics in 1963, at minute 5:45 of The men who killed Kennedy episode 1 (3-5)


Evidence of Forensic Falsification and Autopsy Redacting


If the video vanishes, as other copies have, here's a link to other copies:

Click here if the above video doesn't work


We can also wonder if there is a French Connection for the GIffords Shooting? After all it bears a lot of similarities with the JFK assassination making one wonder if the same group pulled both of the off. Here's a bit more information about one person who helped Assassinate John F. Kennedy:


Corsican Mobster Antoine Guerini supplied 3 Hitmen for Dallas


Antoine Guerini to left and his brother Barthelemy


The Guerini brothers pioneered what later became known as the French Connection. This helps explain why those plotting to murder JFK sought foreigners for the HIT, people less sensitive to Kennedy's overwhelming popularity and the grotesque nature of this act. Seen to the right is the family "hot head" Barthelemy who later served 20 years prison for complicity to assassinate and whose daughter Marie Christine Guerini wrote a book containing very disturbing revelations which are an embarrassment to the French Socialist Party.


The Corsican Guerini Clan is still involved in politics, running the southern city of Marseille where it is established that heroin is refined and drugs transit en route to the USA and the rest of Europe. Members of the Guerini clan are today members in high standing of the French Socialist Party. Below you can see Jean Noel Guerini, son of another Antoine Guerini from the same tiny Corsican village of Calenzana. He is President of the French Socialist Party in the Rhone Alps region, the most affluent and populated area in the South of France. He is currently also in charge for the French Government of various regional public administrations in that territory. Cummulating many official functions and political positions, he is also Senator with a seat on the Senate Commissions of Foreign Affairs and of National Defense.


Jean Noel Guerini at center in blue tie with his Socialist underlings



His brother Alexander Guerini is appropriately nicknamed "Mr. Brother" on the docks and he is currently in custody for multiple crimes in running the entire region's Garbage Collection Business which he runs in the usual mobster tradition. His attorney states that he is held on charges of fraudulent use of company assets, embezzlement of public funds and goods, unlawful detention, active corruption, influence trafficking and possession of illegal munitions.


Alexandre Guerini - Marseilles 'Waste Collection' Boss



I guess the issue here isn't whether the French should or shouldn't put their mobsters in jail. It is whether mainstream politicians, in a major political party equivalent to the American 'Democratic Party' incorporates known mob family members as lead politicians on the national scene. This is all the more shocking when you dial in the connection with the Assassination of JFK as well as their possible role in funneling drugs into the USA.


Whether or not there is a French Connection in this Political Hit, there is definitely a likely drug connection, with drugs from Latin America crossing over the Mexican border near Nogales where the Cartels are engaged in their own Mayhem Fest. From there to the presence of a foreign "second shooter" with the rifle on the roof of the Safeway store isn't that far fetched.


Getsmart

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Bingo!

Jackpot!

great connections!

definitely worth digging deeper....

www.google.com...

so the autopsy reports were released but I can't find a pdf or some type of image of the actual documents.

All the reports are of the same AP article

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Its not very detailed is it , or even proffessional. From it you cant really come out with a valued impression .
We still don't know exactly how many bullets were fired or in detail at who .
I cant find anything other than the same article

HOW TO GET THE AUTOPSY REPORT:

Write to:

Attn: Records
Pima County Office Medical Examiner
2825 E District Street
Tucson, Arizona 85714

Check or money order $18 ($3 per report)
with a written statement saying "I am requesting the Autopsy Report for the Victims of the January 8, 2011 shooting"

(important): Leave contact Phone number and Address for reports to be mailed.

***********************************************************************************************

I think it's worth 18 bucks to see this information, and will be sending a check in the mail.

(I called the office for this information and they said that they can mail out of state. They said this information is not posted online and it is not likely that a media outlet will post this in full).

Originally posted by filosophia
HOW TO GET THE AUTOPSY REPORT:

Write to:

Attn: Records
Pima County Office Medical Examiner
2825 E District Street
Tucson, Arizona 85714

Check or money order $18 ($3 per report)
with a written statement saying "I am requesting the Autopsy Report for the Victims of the January 8, 2011 shooting"

(important): Leave contact Phone number and Address for reports to be mailed.

***********************************************************************************************

I think it's worth 18 bucks to see this information, and will be sending a check in the mail.

(I called the office for this information and they said that they can mail out of state. They said this information is not posted online and it is not likely that a media outlet will post this in full).

edit on 7-3-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

GOOD JOB BRO _
I d do it but as you know im in UK
This is how they got the 2nd mugshot released right ?
I want to see the notes the shrinks wrote about Loughner too .

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Yeah, UK, not sure if they'd send it there, maybe...but don't worry, I'm going to send a letter first thing tomorrow morning, hopefully it doesn't take 6-8 weeks, but probably a lot less, you can usually tell by the cost of the administration fee, if it costs $3 like this report it is usually fairly efficient, if it costs over 100 dollars then it's most likely inefficient and corrupt.

The mugshot was released because Judge Burns allowed the federal mugshot to be released, and the medical examine done in prison is something different, they will NOT release that to the public. However, these autopsy reports are the reports of the victims themselves (I'm assuming the type of bullet used, where the bullet lodged into the body, etc). It is Arizona law that these reports are made public, so even though both the prosecution and defense wanted them blocked, the law is on the side of keeping this information public.

Originally posted by filosophia
reply to post by Doomzilla

 

Yeah, UK, not sure if they'd send it there, maybe...but don't worry, I'm going to send a letter first thing tomorrow morning, hopefully it doesn't take 6-8 weeks, but probably a lot less, you can usually tell by the cost of the administration fee, if it costs $3 like this report it is usually fairly efficient, if it costs over 100 dollars then it's most likely inefficient and corrupt.

The mugshot was released because Judge Burns allowed the federal mugshot to be released, and the medical examine done in prison is something different, they will NOT release that to the public. However, these autopsy reports are the reports of the victims themselves (I'm assuming the type of bullet used, where the bullet lodged into the body, etc). It is Arizona law that these reports are made public, so even though both the prosecution and defense wanted them blocked, the law is on the side of keeping this information public.

I swear the 2nd mugshot was applied for under the freedom of information act but I could be wrong .
The prosecution wanted the mental examinations released .
How many pages is the full autopsy report ?

Peace

psalms 2-1 2-4

I honestly believe he was brainwashed by an alien through his tv.

Originally posted by miracleretiree
psalms 2-1 2-4

I honestly believe he was brainwashed by an alien through his tv.

Hi Miracle Retiree,


I hope you do believe this 'honestly' as you state, because otherwise it would smack of mockery according to Psalm 2:4 seen here:


Psalm 2:4 interpreted


Given your suggestion that Aliens are behind this, you apparently don't believe in a divine source for this Psalm but consider some other entities to be those in the heavens who are scoffing at us and deriding our cluelessness?


Further, you mention that they're using our TV sets to brainwash us, did you get this from the movie "They Live"?




While this is indeed possible until otherwise proven to be incorrect, we aren't actually working at finding out exactly who is at the top of the Illuminati running the show from behind the scenes, knowing that there are occult groups exercising power above all our governments suffices. Our purpose here is to figure out first what happened, and secondly which objectives may have been furthered by the Giffords Shootings.


Cheers,


GS

Originally posted by miracleretiree
psalms 2-1 2-4

I honestly believe he was brainwashed by an alien through his tv.

And I honestly think your post should be deleted . There is NEVER a mod around when their needed .
They are quick to delete my and my friends post though !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



To Get Smart .

I watched the men who killed Kennedy on saturday . The french convict had a letter not to be opened till he was free . I'm assuming it has evidence to convict the assasins .

Regarding Loughner , have you discovered anything that makes you think Loughner wasn't framed ?

WOW !



Arizona Massacre: Loughner’s Lawyers Want To Delay Trial Until 2013

They want to what ?


Loughner’s defense team is looking to delay the trial start date until 2013, citing the need for sufficient time to gather evidence


hypervocal.com...


WHAT ?

They ALLEGEDLY
have the weapon ,
footage of him in safeway ,
witness testimony ,
Footage of the actual shooting
Autopsy report
"internet evidence "
records of purchase of gun
AND A " SIGNED CONFESSION" !

WHAT more do they need and why 2 years to actually START the trial let alone conclude it ?

reply to post by Doomzilla


Hey guys, I like the idea of keeping all the info on one thread but I will also be creating new threads as the reason arises. So check 'em out and I'll keep posting the best info on this thread.

reply to post by filosophia


Yeah thats no problem man .
What do you think about this delaying till 2013 crap ?
Peace

Originally posted by Doomzilla

WHAT more do they need and why 2 years to actually START the trial let alone conclude it ?

Apparently this is why:

Loughner's lead attorney, Judy Clarke, in a motion also filed Friday, asked that Burns not set a trial date until after the Justice Department made its decision on whether to seek the death penalty for Loughner, or in the alternative, to begin the trial in January 2013. Clarke wrote in her motion that because of the time "required to gain an understanding of the depths of Mr. Loughner's mental afflictions and their impact on his functioning in the world," she would not be ready to discuss capital-punishment issues with the government until June 1, 2012, a year after the time suggested by prosecutors.

Accordingly, Late Monday, the U.S. Attorney's Office asked the judge to issue an order placing Loughner in the custody of the U.S. Attorney General to send him to a federal facility where his psychological state can be evaluated. At issue will be whether Loughner is mentally competent to stand trial.

"The government is raising this issue now so that the issue of competency may be addressed at this time, to avoid any unnecessary delays in the proceedings," Anderson wrote in a motion.

It would still be highly optimistic to have a trial by September of this year.

Clarke quotes federal statistics that conferences between defense and federal prosecutors regarding death are usually held about a year after indictment, and trials take place more than two years after indictment.

In a capital case, after guilt is determined, whether by trial or plea, a jury must weigh aggravating and mitigating evidence to determine if the defendant deserves to die for his or her crimes.

Source

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Thanks man - Don't get me wrong I understand their reasoning but this is not helping the victims .
They will have to wait over 2 years for a conclusion .
Your article mentions a medical evaluation , It should have happened in January in my opinion .
Plus hes not allowed to plead not guilty AND insane so I don't know what is going to happen .

Peace

I made a thread about a recap of the Loughner story. I no there will be dissenters but we should get this information out to people, I know many will be interested.

reply to post by filosophia


Great summary man !

When you really think about this case so many parts of it seem fake/fabricated .

They have a LOT of connecting the dots to do before I truly believe the official story .

Originally posted by filosophia
I made a thread about a recap of the Loughner story. I no there will be dissenters but we should get this information out to people, I know many will be interested.

edit on 8-3-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

LInk it here bro -
I will be interested to see if people actually care lol .
I hope so but we shall see .