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Jared Loughner the alleged Tucson shooter - So many questions - so few answers .

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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:02 AM
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Back to shorty. Maybe I'm not looking at this correctly, but why is he shorter than the car behind him which would be further away from the camera? Wouldn't he be taller than a car?

Also, there was an article posted with the release of the new 'mug shot.'

www.radaronline.com...

The newly released mug shots bear a striking resemblance to the previous mug shot, with Loughner’s shaved head and eerie smirk, although the new photos show a prominent laceration on the right side of his head.

First off, there is only one mug shot released that we have seen. Secondly, why would they mention that a mug shot supposedly of the same guy bears a 'striking resemblance? Isn't it the same guy?

Also I find it odd that the Detroit Free Press had to file for release of the photo(s) through the Freedom of Information Act. Does that really apply to mug shots?




posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:49 AM
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Originally posted by gwynned
Back to shorty. Maybe I'm not looking at this correctly, but why is he shorter than the car behind him which would be further away from the camera? Wouldn't he be taller than a car?

Also, there was an article posted with the release of the new 'mug shot.'

www.radaronline.com...

The newly released mug shots bear a striking resemblance to the previous mug shot, with Loughner’s shaved head and eerie smirk, although the new photos show a prominent laceration on the right side of his head.

First off, there is only one mug shot released that we have seen. Secondly, why would they mention that a mug shot supposedly of the same guy bears a 'striking resemblance? Isn't it the same guy?

Also I find it odd that the Detroit Free Press had to file for release of the photo(s) through the Freedom of Information Act. Does that really apply to mug shots?

pertaining to the question about "shorty, the answer= perspective.
You are only looking at the top of his head compared to the top of the car from the angle at which the photo was taken. Compare his actual height from his feet to his head with the height of the car from the bottom of the tire to the top, and you will see that he actually appears to be taller than the car. However the car is farther behind him so he is actually not as tall as he would appear in comparison.

I am very confused about the rest of your comment though. I could be wrong, but it seems to me, judging by the comments that you made, that you are acting as if this 2nd pic is new to you? You just noticed there is a 2nd mugshot of him? Are you the only person who uses your ATS account? I am very aware that a majority of your 32 comments/posts, have been on the other threads that are specifically about the 2 photos.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:07 AM
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I saw your posts on september clues bro .
You know I agree with your views , we need to investigate because as you can see the majority of ats is not interested in this case . I guess they have made their minds up even though we have zero proof of anything .


Did you see the similarities between joe zamudio and the stretcher guy ? I will post the picture from SC here ,




Note the drugged sign ?










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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:27 AM
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I understand perspective, but you apparently do not. Things in the foreground appear larger than they are in relationship to things in the background. Shorty is closer to the foreground than the white car, so he should appear larger, not smaller.

I'm aware of the second shot. I'm just pointing out how odd it is to say that a photo of the same guy bears a 'striking resemblance.' You don't say this photo of Brad Pitt bears a striking resemblance to this other photo of Brad Pitt. Why say it?



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:32 AM
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Originally posted by gwynned
reply to post by BrokenCircles
 


I understand perspective, but you apparently do not. Things in the foreground appear larger than they are in relationship to things in the background. Shorty is closer to the foreground than the white car, so he should appear larger, not smaller.

I'm aware of the second shot. I'm just pointing out how odd it is to say that a photo of the same guy bears a 'striking resemblance.' You don't say this photo of Brad Pitt bears a striking resemblance to this other photo of Brad Pitt. Why say it?



I think this was a collaborated hit. Maybe a false flag assassination.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by gwynned
reply to post by BrokenCircles
 
I understand perspective, but you apparently do not. Things in the foreground appear larger than they are in relationship to things in the background. Shorty is closer to the foreground than the white car, so he should appear larger, not smaller.
Since you are forcing me to repeat myself, I am removing myself from this discussion after this reply.

Originally posted by BrokenCircles

You are only looking at the top of his head compared to the top of the car from the angle at which the photo was taken. Compare his actual height from his feet to his head with the height of the car from the bottom of the tire to the top, and you will see that he actually appears to be taller than the car. However the car is farther behind him so he is actually not as tall as he would appear in comparison.
You are ignoring the fact that, at this angle in which we are viewing, his feet are lower than the bottom of the vehicles tires.

Take something of your own- a piece of paper, a ruler, or something that you can re-size on your computer. One thing that I sometimes use is the 'sticky-note' program. I can re-size the sticky note to whatever size I please. Get the actual height of the yellow line that I placed on "shorty." Once you have established the actual distance from the bottom of his feet to the top of his head, move it to the vehicle. Place the bottom at the position where the tire meets the pavement. The top will be extending above the top of the vehicle. This will make shorty appear taller than the vehicle (which is an SUV and taller than an average car).
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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As far as the shadows on the JLL picture follow his arm shadow down into where the end of the sign he's holding turns black to ....................... the rest of his shadow. notice the colors on the white lettering. Not all the same because of a shadow.

The woman nothing strange her arms shadow is being covered by the shadow of the bag around her shoulder and behind her arm. She is holding the what I believe is chalk or a marker more than likely. (would make sense since shes doing a giant CW puzzle). I mean look at the shadow its rectangular like and has a flat bottom like a bag, also you can see the bag behind her arm so .........

The cops laughing yeah that's unprofessional but do you really think they care. Ever been arrested or had to deal with cops in a grand scale? I have and the majority of the ones I know would laugh in any situation.... Theyr'e probably back there having a conversation like this. Cop 1 " Damn they got him I was hoping to kill someone today. Cop 2 " do'nt worry Frank, day aint over yet...LOL". Sick but I've heard/ had worse said to me by cops so .......

And as far as the picture of the K9 cop .........................................What am I looking at exactly. I mean Yeh hes short, but Perhaps thats why he is the in the k9 unit. Lack of physical power height. blah blah blah. I mean a 5 foot tall cop is not going to scare most. However give him a # all huge German Shepherd and I start to shiver a little.. Also what part of his arm is missing exaclty?


Now don't get me wrong I am extremely interested in this case and believe it stinks to high Heaven. I also believe that sadly this topic is being overlooked by the majority of this Forum and many others. However maybe the ones who investigating are a little over zealous and "scaring (unintentionally) some folks away.


I mean hell one of the main reasons I signed on here was to research 9/11 and Its so hectic and just mean in there forum section that I hardly even think about 9/11 anymore. Let alone try top find any info on here.

I mean just because you think something is a conspiracy doesn't mean everything about it that doesn't fit is part of it.
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:54 AM
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I think we can safely say that there are many unanswered questions and unusual things surrounding this 'event.' Some aspect, if not all of it, has clearly been tampered with. Shorty may not be shorty after all, but that's not the point. The question for me is why tamper at all? Why photoshop? Couldn't they come up with a photo of a real guy and make it look like a real mug shot? Why photoshop a parking lot? If it's fake, why not film it in real time somewhere on a Hollywood set so that you don't risk inconsistencies? Why the crazy interview with the woman who accompanied the little girl? I could go on, but I'm sure you see my point.

Is it possible that these inconsistencies were deliberately left as clues and are not the result of sloppiness. We all assume here that only the PTB have the ability to pull off such a hoax. If their power is on the wane, as some suggest, could it be that a person or persons of a more benevolent and humorous nature are behind this hoax. To clarify, I do not believe ANYone was harmed by this event and that it was entirely a Hollywood creation.

Sounds impossible, I know. But if you view events through that perspective, it all makes sense. What's that they say about the simplest explanation?



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:57 AM
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Hi there thanks for your comment .
Please remember none of us claim to know exactly what happened . Until they release the evidence(if they ever do )
all we're doing is speculating with the info /evidence we have .

The reason I'm posting these photos because a few of us have suspicions that Loughner was framed . We are sifting through evidence to see if there are any suggestions of foul play .
Ie additional tampered photos other than the 1st "mugshot".

Out of all the photos my only observation was the cop smiling the others are from a different forum .

Like I said in my op this thread is to accumulate any concerns we have with the case .
Feel free to share yours , I'm only trying to share mine and others .

Peace



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
Note the drugged sign ?





Dear Doomzilla,

While I have an utter appreciation for the absurd and enjoy fantastic conspiracy theories, I think you might want to return your Jr. CSI module back to the shop for a firmware update. Sorry but most of your theories thus far are simply absurd. I don't have time to analyze / debunk each since the other members are doing a fine job. But here is a little hint. RUGGED is a line of Brand name stretchers (by Stryker) that EMT's use:



www.alibaba.com...

Good Grief Barney Fife, do some research.




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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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good spot , I made a mistake I apologise !

Care to help the investigation or are you just here to criticise .

Care to talk about ANYTHING to do with the case or are you here to just criticise ?

Like I said before these are not MY observations ! My observation was about the smiling cop .

If you want to criticise the people with these ideas go here .
www.cluesforum.info...

I hope you have fun but please stay out of my face I don't appreciate your tone whatsoever .



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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Originally posted by Doomzilla
Care to help the investigation or are you just here to criticise .


I'll leave the "investigation" to the experts. IMO there is nothing to "investigate."

BTW, I did say 'Sorry' in my post. That is about as apologetic as I can get considering some of the theories you've postulated. I'm not interested in pursuing your 'source' for this nonsense.

As long a I contribute within T&C, I'll post my opinion as I please thank you. I call 'em as I see 'em.


ETA: Regarding the 'smiling cop' People do odd things in traumatic and stressful situations. It is a human 'release mechanism' for duress. I've laughed along with my friends at a mutual friend's funeral. Not about him but about a situation. The picture captured a random 'snapshot' in time. Logic, what a concept.

Regards...kk
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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:32 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious
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By in large I share you skepticism in many facets of the case. By the way, I neglected to applaud you for this thread. Nice job! It takes jewels to make a case and defend your premise. Thanks for at least striving to find some common ground wth others who may not wholeheartedly agree.

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hmm.
you had a bigger personality change than Jared judging by the above !



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious

Originally posted by Doomzilla
Care to help the investigation or are you just here to criticise .


I'll leave the "investigation" to the experts. IMO there is nothing to "investigate."

BTW, I did say 'Sorry' in my post. That is about as apologetic as I can get considering some of the theories you've postulated. I'm not interested in pursuing your 'source' for this nonsense.

As long a I contribute within T&C, I'll post my opinion as I please thank you. I call 'em as I see 'em.


Regards...kk




Like I tell all who try to attack investigators - If I'm wrong then I have nothing to lose but if I'm right we certainly do .

There is no harm in questioning the government , there is much harm in blindly following authority .

Until they release compelling evidence that proves beyond doubt Loughner is guilty I will continue my research .
I can do it alone or with help but thats not my decision .



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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That was CLEARLY before the ensuing far-fetched wild theories were introduced but I'll applaud you nonetheless despite comparing me to someone who is obviously mentally ill.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:54 PM
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Fair enough. Truce and I'll make you a deal. Rather than just infer things like "Drugged?" howz about you add your theory and I'll refrain from firm consternation.

Dealio?



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Cmon, I want to know what YOU think of this case .
Its easy to attack others who get their opinions out in the open , lets hear your theory .

Right now we have ZERO proof of anything so theres no harm in speculating .

Over to you .



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 04:02 PM
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Originally posted by kinda kurious
reply to post by Doomzilla
 


Fair enough. Truce and I'll make you a deal. Rather than just infer things like "Drugged?" howz about you add your theory and I'll refrain from firm consternation.

Dealio?


You should know my theory by now .
I think its a possibility Loughner was framed , I'm not convinced by his alleged internet activity it may have been planted in advance to "back up " the official story .
I don't believe he knew Giffords would be at the event as it was not advertised til 24 hrs beforehand.
I feel it may be the case that they ll never release any evidence that we can verify which in turn could be a sign of things to come .

DISCLAIMER - THEORY ONLY



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 04:03 PM
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What I find most troubling is that during this time of budget cutting, the first thing to often be cut by states is funding for mental health services. Such actions will only make events like the Arizona incident happen more frequently.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Mkay. My .02¢

Loughner = lone wolf wacko who snapped.

Many of the seemingly odd irregularities are simply because truth is often stranger than fiction. There are countless variables and simply because everything doesn't fit nicely in a tidy box, I don't suspect an orchestrated Machiavellian motive. I only wish the dirt bag Loughner would have the courage to off himself so he wouldn't become a conspiracist's folk hero and provide more fodder to distrust the evil government.

And as the old adage goes, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Just my humble opinion though. Should he die an untimely death or the surveillance footage is permanently withheld I reserve my right to change my mind.

Regards and sorry if I was harsh before. The stretcher reference which took all of :30 seconds to dismiss got my goat. I get sarcastic when that happens.




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