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Jared Loughner the alleged Tucson shooter - So many questions - so few answers .

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posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:00 AM
We must not neglect the very strange if not incredibly unusual aspect of the Giffords Shooting.

The IDENTITY of her Husband who happens to be a TWIN ASTRONAUT.

NASA's Identical Twin Astronauts Reunite Between Spaceflights

Could this be in reference to TWINS as the material illustration of MIND CONTROL ALTERS ?

Or is there some odd Occult Significance for NASA to be using TWINS for space missions? It can't just be a coincidence. They don't appear to be exceptionally brilliant or physically superior to warrant NASA wanting two of the same. This is not at all logical if you consider known scientific criteria for Astronaut Selection.


edit on 21-3-2011 by Getsmart because: what is the likelihood of Identical Twins being Vetted as Astronauts - and WHY ? ! ?

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 05:02 AM
Hi This is Not a Name,

Thanks for that revealing sequence of videos which shows what we're up against.

First is that the Wizard of OZ was written by a man called Noel Langley - and the CIA runs its Mind Control Programs out of its headquarters at LANGLEY, Virginia. In the Wizard of OZ Langley portrays the adventures of a Vestal Virgin, Dorothy = Langley + Virgin...ia. Anecdotally Noel means Christmas and children being fooled into believing made up stories about Santa Claus.

Wikipedia: Noel Langley

I thank you heartily for your selection of relevant videos, and shall address several of these segments in turn. First the Oscar Awards ceremony in which there are clear references to CIA Mind Control Programs. First I call your attention to the coincidence of the choice of a Chorus from New York to sing a song from the Wizard of Oz. Let us remember that OZ an alphabetical transposition of NY.

The announcer speaks the words NEW YORK very loudly and at an unusually high pitch at the beginning of this video. A rapid cursory single viewing also reveals a number of other factors which are tied to MK Ultra.

These are 5th Grade students which makes their age approximately 9-years old - just like Christina Green the 9/11 Poster Girl who was killed during the Giffords shooting. This is clearly a relevant age for such programs. It might be relevant that Vestal Virgins were chosen between the ages of 6 and 9 years-old prior to puberty.

"Their tasks included the maintenance of the fire sacred to Vesta, the goddess of the hearth and home, collecting water from a sacred spring, preparation of food used in rituals and caring for sacred objects in the temple's sanctuary. By maintaining Vesta's sacred fire, from which anyone could receive fire for household use, they functioned as "surrogate housekeepers", in a religious sense, for all of Rome. Their sacred fire was treated, in Imperial times, as the emperor's household fire."

Wikipedia: Vestal Virgins

They were called "Vestal" in reference to the Goddess VESTA who was the guardian of the Imperial Rule and who was assisted by the burning of a Vestal Fire in every Roman Household, the hearth of the HOME. This is where this clip from the Wizard of OZ comes to mind with its clearly HYPNOTIC reference to invoking HOME. Glinda the Good Witch is evidently a modern transposition of the Goddess VESTA.

This odd "coincidence" of the Presence of VESTA and Vestal Virgins in the CIA's Mind Control Programming lends credence to the Conspiracy Theory according to which Today's Zionist Illuminati are actually descendants of those who have been Perpetuating the former ROMAN EMPIRE from behind the scenes, through The Vatican and its associated Jesuit Order and Knights of Malta, through the Venetian Black Nobility and iits associated Royal Families, and through the Canaanite satanist sects of the Zionists. They penetrated the Nazi movement which they may have even initiated (NAZI may come from the NASI who was Prince of the Sanhedrin) and they moved this into the USA under the guise of the CIA and NASA both created to shelter fleeing NAZIS.

Regarding the NAZI connection with the CIA's MK ULTRA Mind Control Programming, we know that Josef Mengele was a leader at the CIA in organizing and implementing this effort to create Alters using his customary Torture for which he became world renowned. We can also note the following.

The children's T-shirts are printed out with REVERSE lettering. Reverse writing is used to encode and convey messages in Mind Control programming. What is done is that once reversed, separate components composing the original words are unconsciously isolated, given that in reverse they are no longer the original encapsulated word with its common significance.

One can clearly see that when you show REVERSED the number of the school, which is PS22 probably for Public School number 22, we can notice that backwards this appears to clearly show the letters SS followed by what might look like a snake (reverse S) and possibly the Egyptian Ankh Symbol. It has been noted that SSSS sounds are ancient human language references to Snakes or more generally "Reptilians". In this instance the SS might be a reference to the quite well known NAZI Elite Corps which constituted Hitler's Personal Guard, called the Schutzstaffel or Waffen SS, who were particularly brainwashed and Mind Controlled..

I also noted that in this case there may be an Illuminati reference to another ancient Egyptian symbol, from the reversed word on their T-shirts CHORUS could be recomposed in reverse as C-HORUS:

See Horus

The All-Seeing-Eye of the Watchers is historically called since ancient Egyptian times...

EYE OF HORUS found in King Tut's Tomb

If you freeze the picture at minute 0:30 of this video clip you will notice the EYE OF HORUS staring at you Center Stage. Dare tell me now that HOLLYWOOD is not a Zionist ILLUMINATI SECT.

Then scroll the image to minute 1:50 and take notice. The children wearing the "C-HORUS T-shirts" compose a Butterfly Pattern which, when viewed in front of the stage backdrop, appears to be flying through a TUNNEL.

Tunnel Imagery is used to deepen HYPNOSIS during torture and drug induced Mind Control programming. The Image of a BUTTERFLY is used in the creation of Alternate Personalities in Mind Control Programming, symbolizing the ALTER'S REBIRTH and this is the origin of the name of MONARCH PROGRAMMING by the CIA's MK ULTRA after the birth of a Monarch Butterfly. It can be seen better from above in the last images of the clip at minute 2:19.

We can also legitimately ask ourselves if such programming isn't later used to leverage this conditioning in certain institutions capturing this symbol ? Also the Name of such an organization sounds like Code Words: CEC CCA CCE. Anyone here been primed to get triggered by those?

Do you See GREEN Yet? Link to the CEC CCA CCE website

In the background of the Oscar nominations stage we can see where the All Seeing EYE OF HORUS was first located center stage that it rises to then reveal the Green Colored EMERALD CITY of OZ at minute 1:40.

"In the first book, The Wonderful Wizard of Oz, the walls are green, but the city itself is not. However, when they enter, everyone in the Emerald City is made to wear green-tinted eyeglasses; this is explained as an effort to protect their eyes from the "brightness and glory" of the city, but in effect makes everything appear green when it is, in fact, "no more green than any other city." This is yet another "humbug" created by the Wizard.[1]"

Wikipedia: Emerald City

We have all heard the expression "looking at the world through Rose Colored Glasses" but now we note that these Glasses are actually tinted in GREEN, the color of today's CIA Engineered NEW AGE GAIA MOTHER EARTH ONE WORLD RELIGION unifying the Planet under the banner of Ecological Fundamentalism and organizing it politically within GREEN PARTIES which shall UNIFY US INTO A ONE WORLD ECOLOGICAL GOVERNMENT under the pretext of saving the planet.

So it should come to us as NO SURPRISE that the KEY ICONIC IMAGE of the Giffords Shooting was not only born on the symbolic date of 9/11 and died 119 days after her birthday, but that her name was CHRISTina GREEN.

In this interview, given the day after her child's death, Roxanna Green doesn't sound sincere when she forces out her sobs, and uses wording to describe her daughter which sounds "clinical" and unattached, using unlikely references for a mourning mother of her child as some sort of political message bearer for judicial reform.

I actually wonder if we aren't being shown a fictional Vestal Virgin sacrifice through GREEN Colored glasses using a fully planned and rehearsed scenario.

GIFFORDS would be the one that the Vestal Virgin Venerated. This means that GIFFORDS probably WAS NOT HIT and is being presented to the Collective Unconscious as well as to the rest of the ILLUMINATI who are able to decode this event in its entirely including the OCCULT MESSAGE - that GIFFORDS is intended to incarnate the Goddess VESTA and is therefore slated possibly to be the CANDIDATE as the representative of the Continuum of the ROMAN EMPIRE which officiated at Christ's death on the cross ordered upon demands by the NASI who was leader of the Sanhedrin's - and it is also noteworthy that the VESTAL VIRGIN Sacrificed at this event was named CHRISTina.

I therefore hereby officially proclaim the possibility that Gabrielle Giffords might be slated to be...



edit on 21-3-2011 by Getsmart because: they are brainwashing society so we see the world through GREEN Colored Glasses!

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:34 AM
reply to post by Getsmart

Hi Getsmart great research there . This is a great thread KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK !


posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 06:38 AM

Originally posted by filosophia
I'd also like to thank everyone who is working hard on this story. Sometimes I feel like we will never know the truth, however we are training ourselves to look for clues the mainstream won't ever look for. Maybe we'll nail this case, maybe not, but the next time they try and pull an MKULTRA on the population we'll rip it to pieces the second it hits the news stands. Hopefully at least.

Id like to thank you all too ! This is a great thread and I think we have unearthed some gems .
Please back up this thread to protect it from those who seek to block or destroy our investigations .

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:36 AM

Originally posted by PESADILLA

Id like to thank you all too ! This is a great thread and I think we have unearthed some gems .
Please back up this thread to protect it from those who seek to block or destroy our investigations .

Hi Pesadilla,

Thanks for reminding me to do so, I've had quite a few posts deleted for strange reasons, maybe having to do with the website's hosting located in Langley, Virginia? If so then some might not take kindly to the content of my last post connecting Noel Langley to CIA Mind Control in Langley, Virginia.

Regarding the possible reason that GIFFORDS is married to a TWIN ASTRONAUT, here is something I happened upon, or course by seeking it out... LOL

Twins Astronauts place VESTA in GEMINI

"Vesta in Airy Gemini is the Teacher/Goddess, the one who asks the questions and finds the answers knowing that in each answer lies more questions. Vesta in Gemini is all over the place acquiring knowledge, dispersing it and showing us that only in Knowledge can we understand our true nature of sexuality, growth, regeneration and rebirth. Vesta in Gemini at times needs to slow down and reconnect to herself."

the keeper of the flame - Part 2: Vesta in the Signs

We can also note that the Goddess VESTA is said to be the keeper of the flame, the Heart of Maldek, a planet which in what is called in Legends the WAR OF THE WORLDS gave birth when it was destroyed to both the Asteroid belt and to our planet Earth.

At minute 3:08 of the preceding video we note that NASA is said to have recently released "the launch of the Dawn Project - a Space Probe sent to conduct surveillance in the Asteroid Belt." According to the narrator this would be used to convert our reality into an alternative universe:

..."it has to be triggered by the inspired response of a Female Persona embodying the primary shards of Maldek. The closing of the cycle is what occasions the necessity of the archetype of the RED QUEEN, to manifest at this moment in time to receive the transmission of the regeneration of that which has been destroyed. This particular Archetype embodies the Pure Essence of the Maldekian Life-force Stream, as it has been synthesized and consummated over many world cycles. The Re-Generation, of course, comes at the point of the closing of the cycle, where the potential for similar destruction also occurs on this planet."

Let us simply remember that Gabrielle Giffords was dressed in RUBY RED when allegedly shot.

Luciferian Red Queen of Maldek aka Goddess VESTA

"This is the Luciferian rebellion which brought devastation and chaos to our solar system and beyond. There may have actually been two planetary destructions, the fragments of which littered the solar system with asteroid belts, comets, errant moons, and planetary rings."

"From all the sources I've read it appears the great planet Maldek either destroyed itself in a nuclear detonation or was destroyed by huge planet-sized enemy ships (one of which may have been the famed Nibiru). There is no clear consensus on what actually happened except that the planet blew up and left its survivors wandering space for a new home."

LUCIFER and the Destruction of Maldek

This interpretation of events is the FIRST TO EXPLAIN the Connections between NASA and the LUCIFERIAN Agenda. Mardek is said to have been the event which cast Lucifer out of the Heavens in the war against the GODS.

This might well also be what explains WHY NASA has been lavishing efforts to COVER-UP UFOs. This would make sense if such aerial and space manifestations may very well find their origins in the presence in our Earth's Underground of LUCIFER - this being an old name for what we would today call a Race of FALLEN ANGELS who rebelled against their own Species of Reptilian extraterrestrials. NASA was spawned off of the NAZI saucer experiments with Wernher von Braun, whose first cousin Eva Braun was Hitler's wife. Large teams of NAZIS founded NASA and we have known of Hitler's fascination with the OCCULT as well as his statement that he had met in the UNDERGROUND a race of SUPERIOR BEINGS he called SUPERMEN. Could these be those who hav been termed LUCIFER by the Luciferians?

We will note that the Goddess VESTA is the Bearer of the TORCH presumably represented by French Freemasons a Luciferian religion in the top ranks) by the Statue of Liberty sent to OZ aka NY. LUCIFER is called the LIght Bearer. He is said to originate form the planet MALDEK aka MARDUK the Babylonian GOD who may well have become Lucifer.

Wikipedia: Marduk

Therefore it seems as if the GIFFORDS SHOOTING is actually a NASA Luciferian Ritual preparing some sort of Space Ritual officiated by one of the Gemini TWIN ASTRONAUTS including a Satanic Sacrifice of CHRISTina to bring in a New Luciferian World Religion under the GREEN Party ?!?

Respective to NASA's DAWN PROJECT supposedly symbolizing the Dawn of Creation of a New World Order or cosmic level of Earth's evolution, we can note that the Pentagon has itself just launched Operation ODYSSEY DAWN which can make us wonder if the current attack on Libya isn't related to the occupation of Iraq the territory of which was ancient Babylon and whose main God happened to be MARDUK ?

Given NASA's involvement, we can note that there is also the possibility that we are currently about to encounter events related to Planet-X.

"Nibiru In 2012

Nibiru called the”Planet of the Crossing” is represented in ancient history by a cross and a winged disk reflecting the supreme deity in the Sumerian and Babylonian temples. Nibiru is also the god of 50 names and king of gods.

Planet Nibiru is also known as Marduk and Planet X. It is described by some as supposedly the twelfth member in the solar system’s family of planets which includes the 10 planets, the sun, and the moon.

According to Zecharia Sitchin, Nibiru has an orbit around the sun of 3,600 Earth years. To understand Sitchin, he is one of the handfuls of people today who can translate the ancient language of Sumerians, Egyptians and Hebrews along with other modern languages. He has devoted his life on studying ancient civilizations and translating ancient texts, cuneiforms and clay tablets."

Marduk Website

We can therefore find ample mention of Marduk in ancient Sumerian Tablets which account for Reptilian beings who came to Earth in ancient times. Yet we will find that Marduk may be equated with TIAMAT, which is the original planet which once hit by one of Niburu's Moons was pulverized into the Asteroid Belt as well as leaving a large chunk we today call Earth.

The Seven Tablets of the History of Creation

In the preceding video you will note that Marduk was created by the collision of a Moon of Planet-X aka Nibiru which is said to remain in a large orbit and return close to us regularly every 3600 years - the next time being possibly in 2012. It was said to become visible from Earth as a Large RED CROSS seen in the daylight sky as well as at night.

Next you shall note that in the Sumerian Clay Tablets MARDUK is not mentioned merely as a GOD as he was later in Babylonian times, but as a real INDIVIDUAL of the ruling caste of Reptilian Aliens who dominated our Solar System and maybe beyond.

Please don't imagine that I'm bringing this Planet-X theory to the table because I believe in it and am projecting convictions into the analysis. I have thought up to this page that the whole Nibiru affair might be totally faked, including the Tablets of which I have no way of ensuring that they are actually ancient, that they are really Sumerian in origin, or that they were accurately decoded. But the Giffords Shooting and NASA's behavior has me contemplating the Planet-X theory seriously, at long last. I only hope that doesn't mean that more of these will be coming our way! :eek:

Unwanted Urban Encounter with an ANNUNAKI ?


edit on 21-3-2011 by Getsmart because: the Luciferians aren't telling us much about our real history.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 07:42 AM
Wow thats deep GS . To be honest , I hope it isn't true. Alarm bells went off when I heard she would be at the launching of the space shuttle.
I need to U2u you GS but I think I need 20 posts first .

edit on 3/21/2011 by 12m8keall2c because: removed unnecessary quote of entire previous post Quoting - Please review this link

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 08:05 AM

Originally posted by Getsmart
We must not neglect the very strange if not incredibly unusual aspect of the Giffords Shooting.

The IDENTITY of her Husband who happens to be a TWIN ASTRONAUT.

NASA's Identical Twin Astronauts Reunite Between Spaceflights

Could this be in reference to TWINS as the material illustration of MIND CONTROL ALTERS ?

Or is there some odd Occult Significance for NASA to be using TWINS for space missions? It can't just be a coincidence. They don't appear to be exceptionally brilliant or physically superior to warrant NASA wanting two of the same. This is not at all logical if you consider known scientific criteria for Astronaut Selection.


edit on 21-3-2011 by Getsmart because: what is the likelihood of Identical Twins being Vetted as Astronauts - and WHY ? ! ?

Yes we were questioning this before . There is a reason surely ?
It cant be random that identical twins were chosen .
They must be testing or experimenting in some manner .

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:48 AM
reply to post by kinda kurious

Flailing arms is more logical than stretching, but that still doesn't explain how there was no front to back deviation. It would make more sense if the bullet traveled back to front, but upwards momentum and straight up is the supposed trajectory.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:51 AM
In a recent article Clarke described Lougher as their "seriously ill client"

it's interesting that this appears in the same context as them trying to prevent a test of Loughner's sanity. Do they mean "ill" as in mentally ill, which they are trying to conceal, or do they mean "ill" as in sick, is Loughner sick in jail? Did they inject him with something?

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:53 AM
reply to post by Getsmart

If Giffords husband was an astronaut, that would be more of a motive than anything assuming Erad on ATS is really Jared, who talked about NASA conspiracies the most, and when I did a search of his posts, not a single one came up with 9/11 in the title. Kind of an odd conspiracy theorist for someone to not ever talk about 9.11. Maybe this is just some sort of concerted effort by NASA to smear moon hoaxers, hard to think about but at least that is more of a motive than going after Giffords, the only problem with this theory is that Giffords was the target, so what the heck is going on here? This is of course assuming Erad is Jared which seems to be the case given the strange if/then logic he employs but there's really no way of knowing for sure.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 10:55 AM
reply to post by Getsmart

So you can think of this as basically a child sacrifice, they killed Christine Taylor, why? So they could reinforce in their minds that they must gain their end by any means necessary. And what end is that? Gun control? no, something more, world domination.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 01:56 PM
Just crossed my mind; I never heard of any bodyguards, security, or police being present or active at the shooting.

Have I missed something ?
Normally at a political event on public space you have lots of police, for traffic control, security etc. As well as securities for the organizers and at least a couple of bodyguards for the politician/speaker.

Putting the question out here, will do some search as well.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 02:14 PM
Found 2 articles on the security measure at the shooting: ords_shooting_the_security.php

Cut short: No security measures taken at all ! There was no bodyguard, no police, it's unclear wether there was a security clerk at the mall or not.

Isn't it strange ? Kind of like at JFK's where the bodyguards hop of the car, just before the finale.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 02:16 PM
reply to post by svetlana84

There weren't any security there, in fact Loughner was tackled by citizens, an elderly lady was attributed to grabbing a clip from Loughner and another Arizona man with a concealed weapon tackled Loughner (but didn't use his gun, showing that average people can use force with restraint). But no security guards, police only came afterwards in order to block the ambulances from getting to the scene, by which point Loughner was already tackled. Definitely no personal body guards for Giffords.

posted on Mar, 21 2011 @ 08:10 PM
Doomzilla is still reading the thread he created, but unfortunately he has been banned.

Hopefully Doom will be able to continue on with his work in this thread.

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 06:45 AM

Originally posted by kroms33
Doomzilla is still reading the thread he created, but unfortunately he has been banned.

Hopefully Doom will be able to continue on with his work in this thread.

I noticed Pesadilla also got banned, I think this was the last thread he posted on. Doomzilla was posting on the Sorcha Faal/CIA/ATS thread. Don't worry, Doomzilla [redacted]. The [redacted]. I think [redacted]

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 06:53 AM
So JL has to take a mental exam in Missouri, over a 1,000 miles away from Arizona. So much for speedy trial or convenient trial. How will they transport him 1000 miles? The exam will just show if he is competent to stand trial, not if he was sane during the shooting. So it looks like if his girlfriend is right that he is faking it, then JL is trying to make himself seem so insane they can't go on with the trial. Imagine if JL doesn't go to trial just because he smiled. Wow, is he the crazy one or is the system the crazy one?
edit on 22-3-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 12:37 PM
This is bogus. There is no need to send anyone out-of-state to get a shrink evaluation. Any competent psychiatrist could ascertain Loughner's mental state in a half hour interview at the local jail. He will come back from that institution with his brain totally scrambled, if he comes back at all.

Alleged holocaust museum shooter James Von Brunn also sent got sent to an out-of-state federal institution for a mental eval. He came back in a body bag.

And if Loughner does make it back, he will be drooling from the mouth, just begging for the right to change his plea to 'guilty.'

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 01:00 PM
Wow, it seems a lot of starters of threads I have been participating on have been getting banned lately. Well, if I ever get banned I will try to make it back, and give some kind of cryptic sign in my avatar letting people know who I was

edit on Tue, 22 Mar 2011 13:01:02 -0500 by TKDRL because: (no reason given)

posted on Mar, 22 2011 @ 04:25 PM
reply to post by filosophia

Turns out they won't let Doom back, unfortunately - I can't discuss why because of T&C

Let's continue the work that Doom was doing about Jared Loughner - I am sure he would want it that way. Daily the case against Loughner grows cold - slipping out of the MSM and the thoughts of the world. This kid is going to be forgotten about until the trial - and by then, all of the information could have been cooked up and contrived to sentance him.


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