reply to post by My_Reality
However, my two major points have been that life in the womb is not self-sufficient(I will discard the term biologically, for you).
Neither is a newborn baby.
My second major point has been that personal choice is ultimately the will of the mother.
However, it isn't "personal choice" when it involves another living human being.
Both of these points reject scientific, moral, or ethical stances on abortion. I will concede that life may begin at fertilization. However,
development inside the womb is vastly different than development outside the womb. You seem to be an intelligent person and should recognize these
differences. These developments, while similar in biology, are different for a developing embryo/fetus compared to a newborn human. The "life" inside
the womb is mainly concerned with the development of the unconscious systems that regulate the properties of existence. The "life" after birth is
mainly concerned with physical and sexual development with, of course, brain development over the years. While it can be argued that these
developments are similar, there is a marked difference.
And why is one stage of development worthy of protection and the other is not?
Regarding morals or ethics; I have stated many times that the ultimate choice regarding abortion is the province of the mother. In the majority
of your replies, you seem to evade this issue and consider it invalid. I can't do that. The decision of a woman with the ability to procreate will
always supersede the "decision" of a developing "life" inside that woman, as that "life" cannot communicate with the world outside the womb and that
communication inside the womb is debatable.
And what of the man's choice to procreate?
Do you admit that you support a situation of equality where the man has no say if he wishes to procreate or not? He can not say that he doesn't wish
to and terminate the pregnancy...he can't say he wishes to and have any say in her not getting an abortion.
Please don't give me the line that he had that choice when he had sex....because so did she.
And don't give me the rape line...because that is less than 1% of abortions, unless you want to concede that abortions should only be allowed in cases
of forceable sex (which can be medically determined)???
This is where you and I fundamentally disagree and I don't believe any amount of debate will convince either of us to change our beliefs.
I don't care to change your beliefs...as long as you realize you are coming from an illogical point of view that can not be defended.
My main issue while discussing abortion is that pro-abortion people dance around the fact that they are supporting the killing of a defenseless human
If you want to come out and outright say that you support the killing of innocent, defenseless humans....then I will leave you to your opinion.
I have not seen one post in your many responses that supports a woman's fundamental right to terminate. I see that you have opposed it
vehemently. You have stated and supported your moral/ethical stand on this issue. However, you have not put yourself into the situation of a woman
considering or deciding to abort. There are many reason why a woman would do so and they usually have nothing to do with morality or ethics. It is
very easy to be self righteous in regards to situations that do not directly involve you, personally nor professionally.
I don't support the killing of another human a solution to any hard life situation.
There are many reasons why a woman may decide to murder her husband...many reasons we may all think are valid...but it doesn't make it right nor
My opinion is the same about abortion...I am vehemently (to borrow a word) against killing of other humans in any situation outside of self defense
No matter what I will not dictate to a woman what she can or can't do with her body. Including "anything" that happens to be "developing"
inside this person.
Even if it was your child "developing" in there? Even if that development had lasted 7 months, you have felt it kick and heard it's heart beat? If
she decides to end it...you would support it?
edit on 2-3-2011 by MindSpin because: (no reason given)