why do people follow laws or rules in general???

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posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 10:53 AM
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good and bad, right and wrong. concepts.

being taught that obeying the law or obeying the rules is good is a concept.

these concepts are also subjective and relative, more than we want them to be at times.

why? because it is a way to create a sense of order. we obey them because we are taught to respect rules and laws. we are taught that being punished is a bad thing so we obey rules and laws to avoid the bad things. we are taught that obeying rules and laws is good and good things happen to those who obey and behave. nothing more than man made concepts and ideas.

i obey rules and laws because i was taught that breaking the rules and laws is bad. i do so because i feel it is "right".

this is more about relativity and concepts than it is about rules and laws and why this and why that. in order to understand rules you have to see these things as they are, dynamic, not concrete. hence, relative and subjective. they change as society changes (society being nothign more than a core of ideas and concepts that are generall shared by most people) our ideas of right and wrong change, our rules change, our laws change.

what is acceptable one day can be outlawed and seen as wrong the next.

and yet knowing this i continue to do what i have been doing, obeying rules and laws. i also feel no need to break the rules i feel no need to break the law. i dont feel a motiviation to do so. i have nothing to gain from it (perception and interpretation come into play at this point, which again, is very relative and subjective).


does this come close to answering your questions?




posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 10:59 AM
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Originally posted by ThePrankMonkey
good and bad, right and wrong. concepts.

being taught that obeying the law or obeying the rules is good is a concept.

these concepts are also subjective and relative, more than we want them to be at times.

why? because it is a way to create a sense of order. we obey them because we are taught to respect rules and laws. we are taught that being punished is a bad thing so we obey rules and laws to avoid the bad things. we are taught that obeying rules and laws is good and good things happen to those who obey and behave. nothing more than man made concepts and ideas.

i obey rules and laws because i was taught that breaking the rules and laws is bad. i do so because i feel it is "right".

this is more about relativity and concepts than it is about rules and laws and why this and why that. in order to understand rules you have to see these things as they are, dynamic, not concrete. hence, relative and subjective. they change as society changes (society being nothign more than a core of ideas and concepts that are generall shared by most people) our ideas of right and wrong change, our rules change, our laws change.

what is acceptable one day can be outlawed and seen as wrong the next.

and yet knowing this i continue to do what i have been doing, obeying rules and laws. i also feel no need to break the rules i feel no need to break the law. i dont feel a motiviation to do so. i have nothing to gain from it (perception and interpretation come into play at this point, which again, is very relative and subjective).


does this come close to answering your questions?


yes it answers my question...

you made a good point: people obey rules or laws because they are taught to and they have no reason to disobey the rules or laws...

also "right" and "wrong" feelings have to do with it as well (as you said)




posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 11:01 AM
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Human nature usually compels people to conform, and to follow the majority. Most people obey orders and rules because they know they should, and fear what might happen to them if they don't. Then every once in a while you get those people who don't care at all about laws/rules/punishment by country or God, and just do whatever they feel like doing, no morals involved. This would make up the criminal population...then there are others who want to be a leader, and not obey, and maybe change things around legally, these are the politicians. But then on many times, the lines between criminal and politician are blurred.



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 11:09 AM
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Originally posted by Shoktek
Human nature usually compels people to conform, and to follow the majority. Most people obey orders and rules because they know they should, and fear what might happen to them if they don't. Then every once in a while you get those people who don't care at all about laws/rules/punishment by country or God, and just do whatever they feel like doing, no morals involved. This would make up the criminal population...then there are others who want to be a leader, and not obey, and maybe change things around legally, these are the politicians. But then on many times, the lines between criminal and politician are blurred.


lets not get into criminals and politicians because then this thread would be on fire


anyway dont forget about those rebels without a cause





posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 01:24 PM
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Originally posted by Shoktek
Human nature usually compels people to conform,


Alas, the conforming part has always been the bumpiest road ride for me. Much too hard for some, but these are in the minority, which is probably just as well for the society we're part of. But for the individualists among us, pressure to conform is a hellish thing. Some people keep time to a different drum.



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 02:20 PM
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m0j0m gave a good answer to the question but I think there's an area to expand on. While compliance with rules is certainly beneficial to an orderly society, the motivation is certainly far more important. While some may comply through fear or coercion, or if it suits their personal agenda or a host of other reasons, compliance for the good of society as a whole is the is the most virtuous reason. When people comply for the good of others in recognition that we are all a part of the same creation, the knowledge of rules and laws becomes less important because the motivation is sincere.

It's much like ATS. For the most part, members of ATS govern themselves in a way that shows respect for each other (even if some of the threads are really off the wall and don't deserve the electrons that were used - just kidding) and have fun making this a worldwide community.



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by CommonSense
m0j0m gave a good answer to the question but I think there's an area to expand on. While compliance with rules is certainly beneficial to an orderly society, the motivation is certainly far more important. While some may comply through fear or coercion, or if it suits their personal agenda or a host of other reasons, compliance for the good of society as a whole is the is the most virtuous reason. When people comply for the good of others in recognition that we are all a part of the same creation, the knowledge of rules and laws becomes less important because the motivation is sincere.

It's much like ATS. For the most part, members of ATS govern themselves in a way that shows respect for each other (even if some of the threads are really off the wall and don't deserve the electrons that were used - just kidding) and have fun making this a worldwide community.


this is also true...

good point and example with ATS





posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 10:10 PM
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Humans follow laws and rules because if we did not, we would wander around in circles, smacking into one another like a Three Stooges out-take.

And we wouldn't want that now, would we?



posted on Jul, 17 2004 @ 10:15 PM
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Originally posted by Majic
Humans follow laws and rules because if we did not, we would wander around in circles, smacking into one another like a Three Stooges out-take.

And we wouldn't want that now, would we?


another good example: the problems of not following laws or rules...

good one...



df1

posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 12:30 AM
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Apparently you people live on a different planet from where I live. Where I live people do not follow laws and rules, they are routinely violated every day. For example:

1) Drugs- People buy and sell drugs all the time.
2) Stocks Market- People cheat and steal, Martha Stewert, Enron, World Com, etc...
3) DUI- People are arrested every day
4) Child Abuse- Its on your tv every night.
5) Tax fraud- IRS fails to collect a substantial percentage of tax owed.
6) Cable & DSS programming stolen daily.
7) Software, Movies, Music Pirated daily.
8) Married couple cheat on each other all the time.
9) Child pornography.
10) Rape is fairly routine.
11) A murder arrest is on television daily.

Need I really go on? This stuff is just off the top of my head, I'm not even trying. Where do you folks get the idea that people follow laws and rules in general?
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posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 01:07 AM
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People genrally do not follow rules out of concern for thier possible punishment because even since the beginning of time, people act out against the rules whith the full intention of NOT getting caught. Very few people concider following rules for religious reasons because (for exsample) it was never written "Thou Shalt always wear you seatbelt." Most people follow rules based of family values. Not because its what they should do within the family values aspect altogether but because anyone ever spending time in jail or paying huge fines recognizes that it is not the individual that suffers from this punishment rather than the ENTIRE family. Even with an attempt to not get caught we ask ourselves either consciously or unconsciously... "Is this worth losing my family over?" or can I stand to spend time in jail while leaving my spouse to fend for herself and care for the kids alone... then return and find I have no job... etc...? The cercomstances are definately the reason for following rules. However, The circomstances you tend to honor are not the same circomstances the rule makers or the government intended on you to look at. Most punishments do not fit the crime anymore. Jail was never created with the intension of Jailing a father while forcing him to alienate his family and lose his job and then return to a wife and kids who altogether cannot pay thier bills nor buy food... Soon the whole family is out on the streets with no food or place to bath all because the Father spent a few weeks in jail for not paying a no insurance fine that he couldnt come up with the money for because he was barely making about minimum wage and raising a family of four. With all this in mind... and this being considered a very minor punishment in the governments eyes... as YOURSELF... Why do you follow the rules?



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 01:13 AM
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Originally posted by df1
Apparently you people live on a different planet from where I live. Where I live people do not follow laws and rules, they are routinely violated every day. For example:

1) Drugs- People buy and sell drugs all the time.
2) Stocks Market- People cheat and steal, Martha Stewert, Enron, World Com, etc...
3) DUI- People are arrested every day
4) Child Abuse- Its on your tv every night.
5) Tax fraud- IRS fails to collect a substantial percentage of tax owed.
6) Cable & DSS programming stolen daily.
7) Software, Movies, Music Pirated daily.
8) Married couple cheat on each other all the time.
9) Child pornography.
10) Rape is fairly routine.
11) A murder arrest is on television daily.

Need I really go on? This stuff is just off the top of my head, I'm not even trying. Where do you folks get the idea that people follow laws and rules in general?
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IF you commited all these crimes recently then i dont think they were refering to you in particular with this discussion topic. I think they were refering only to those that FOLLOW the rules. and by the way... TV doesnt count. Unless you believe everything you see on tv.

[edit on 18-7-2004 by yallways]



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 01:16 AM
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df1: You need to move to a better part of town. Perhaps a gated community.


df1

posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 01:45 AM
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Originally posted by they see ALL
why do people follow rules or laws in general???

what do you think and why do YOU follow laws or rules in general???


As I already stated people do not follow the laws and rules in general, all people break some of the laws and rules. I see no mention made about laws and rules in my specific neighborhood only, so I provided a list of quite typical examples.

As to the second question, I do not follow all the rules and laws either. As to which ones I violate, I refuse to answer on the grounds that it may incriminate me.
However I am sure you have some favorite laws and/or rules that you violate. If you say No, I won't believe you unless you can change my water into wine.
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posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 02:51 AM
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You mean, you mean you deliberately don't follow all the rules and even, even deliberately break rules?


Ummmm! I'm gonna tellllll!


In light of the direction this thread has taken, maybe the question should have been "why don't people follow rules or laws in general???"

As for me, of course you know I never break the rules.



posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 12:01 PM
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Originally posted by df1
Apparently you people live on a different planet from where I live. Where I live people do not follow laws and rules, they are routinely violated every day. For example:

1) Drugs- People buy and sell drugs all the time.
2) Stocks Market- People cheat and steal, Martha Stewert, Enron, World Com, etc...
3) DUI- People are arrested every day
4) Child Abuse- Its on your tv every night.
5) Tax fraud- IRS fails to collect a substantial percentage of tax owed.
6) Cable & DSS programming stolen daily.
7) Software, Movies, Music Pirated daily.
8) Married couple cheat on each other all the time.
9) Child pornography.
10) Rape is fairly routine.
11) A murder arrest is on television daily.

Need I really go on? This stuff is just off the top of my head, I'm not even trying. Where do you folks get the idea that people follow laws and rules in general?
.


df1---

number 7 is the best


anyway MOST people follow the MAJOR rules or laws...

why dont people follow rules or laws in general???

that is too easy...

those people want to be "cool"


yallways---

good point: people follow the rules because if they dont they might get embarased and their family may suffer...




posted on Jul, 18 2004 @ 11:19 PM
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I am glad you put this question into play. It is one I think about often.
I have not settled on any final answer that I feel settles the question, but I have some insights that may be of interest.

1. People are motivated to become like others around them.
People who live around others who are after something say..The American Dream for example, will generally strive to live that same way. Similar to Newtons Law, An object in motion stays in motion until an external force acts upon it. I feel the media in America has a big impact on maintaining the status quo.

2. External Forces: People generally take opportunities that seem attainable. Taking risks is unpredictable and uncertain. People have learned through examples that "not being like everyone else" generally does not work out well.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 10:39 AM
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good examples...

yes people are motivated to follow the rules or laws...




posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 10:42 AM
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I dont follow all rules i just do what i think is right.

People may follow the rules because that is the system that they have been brought up in and what is against the law is sometimes classed immoral so they wud not want to do it.

Oviously fear of punishment is also an issue.



posted on Jul, 19 2004 @ 11:36 AM
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yes!!!

fear of getting in trouble...

good answer...

also it is good that some people dont follow every rule or law just what they think is a just one...






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