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posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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pardon, but this is yet another example of why blaming whole groups of people for the actions of some, causes problems. said it before, will say it again, science can also prove that men are much more prone to violence and have historically killed more people than women, no matter what their world view is. should i hold you personally responsible if you are a man or your brothers, husband, and etc? of course not. you are an individual and so are they.

for every example you can name of poor behavior from ANY group of people on the planet, there are examples of awesome people as well. it's just that the awesome people are not in control, cause you can't be awesome and rule without also being omniscient and omnipotent. and since none of us are either omniscient or omnipotent, we're gonna have to look at it realistically and realize, the dregs rise to the top because no one else is willing to compromise themselves. bad job, somebody has to do it. doesn't mean everybody is auto guilty of crap though, does it?

can't have your cake and eat it too




posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:20 PM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
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Look I'm not wrong at all.


Of course you are. You just don't realize it, because you have a flawed understanding of governmental matters.



What they did is illegal.


Yes, it was illegal (although not constitutionally so), but that doesn't automatically make it wrong. There are numerous laws on the books that make things illegal that are not wrong, and other laws making things legal that are not right. The two are not the same thing. The Constitution doesn't speak on this situation at all. as I said before, and as you evidently failed to comprehend, The Constitution prohibits GOVERNMENT from interfering with WBC,. It is sublimely silent on the matter of individuals, such as anonymous, and how they relate to WBC. If you think what I'm saying is wrong, I challenge you to quote the constitutional provision which you think applies to individual interaction vs. governmental interaction. No partial quotes, quote the provision in full. Bring that evidence on, and silence me. Consider it a dare.



It wasn't freedom of speech


No, it certainly wasn't. It was a pissing contest, which WBC spectacularly lost.



and for your information, the right's protected by the Constitution apply ONLY to American citizen's.


Negative - maybe. Perhaps I'm misunderstanding you. Are you claiming that only US citizens have rights? Or are you claiming that it is citizens, and not the government, who are restricted in action by that document? Either way, I'd like to see some evidence to back that statement up.



Hypocrisy is not flattering and anyone that breaks the law are wrong.


No. See my first paragraph above.



We are NOT a democracy and never have been. We ARE a Constitutional Republic!


I'm failing to see what the form of government has to do with it. Perhaps you can expand upon that. While you're at it, maybe you can point out where I claimed that we are a Democracy.



Democracy & Socialism go hand in hand. We are a land of law and if people don't like it, they make their bed and lay in it.


Yes, they do, yes, we are, and yes, they do. Thank God there are those willing to lie on a bed of nails to challenge bullies. Where would we be if there weren't? Do you like tea well enough to pay the Crown's tax on it? Remember, THAT was a law, too.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk
Don't dare say Hitler was a Christian because all anyone has to do is crack open that new Testament, read the words of Christ and bam!


The exact same argument applies against WBC.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 07:46 PM
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Originally posted by soaringhawk


....... Christianity isn't responsible for a single injustice, a single murder.



This just shows the depth of your own ignorance. If you are unable to face the fact that more people have been killed in the name or Christianity, then you are unable to face the truth.


Originally posted by soaringhawk

........ Your words are typical of a person ignorant of scripture and the truth as a whole.



You say this as though the only way to truth is through scripture. How arrogant of you. Typical Christian, that the only truth is your truth, and everyone else is wrong.


Originally posted by soaringhawk

You come across as an uneducated, bitter, atheist with a hot head that treats people like they're idiots when the real idiot stares you in the face because you refuse to learn.



Of course, all athiests are uneducated and bitter. Another cliche of the Christian argument. I refuse to learn what Christianity has to teach because I see no truth in it.


Originally posted by soaringhawk

You can either attack people for no reason and be bitter or you can get with it, act civilized and desire to be on the same page with anyone else that cares for truth. If you don't, why are you here?



By "get with it" do you mean agree with Christianity? By "Be on the same page" do you meen become a Christian? I care very much for the truth, but it is objective. My truth and your truth may not tally. Which is why I am here, as these conversations, these debates are interesting, enlightening and ultimately enjoyable.

I don't seek to change yourmind regarding your religion, I respect the fact that you have found your truth, and that you are happy with it. Do you repect the fact that I have found mine? I would hope that you would be able to open your eyes to the history of the church and realise that indeed many bad things have been done in the name of, not just Christianity, but indeed all religions. But ultimately I know that I can't teach you anything. I just hope to make people think a little.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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we are taught in public schools what the catholic church did in the past, and about the salem witch trials. we're also taught the same thing in songs, tv shows, movies, books, magazines, forums such as this one, political platforms. the thing has been milked to death. as christians become less and less prejudice, the rest of the planet is being brainwashed into believing that if the planet didn't have christians, it'd be better off. now a little intellectual honesty here will help you realize, just how untrue that is.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Agreed.

Apparently hacking is not a race.

It is a lot of people doing it one step at a time.

Hard to resist.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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contrary to public opinion, emotional and mental abuse is bad for everybody, including the person perpetrating it. just cause you don't smack a person upside the head in reality, does not mean that emotional or mental harassment doesn't do physical damage.


Are you assuming I don't know that because I would object to physical harm coming to the WBC? What they do causes emotional and mental abuse to innocent people.

They can believe whatever they want - - - but they take it outside their own circle - - - with intent.

I do support Free Speech - - but Legal or Not - - I don't care what is done to them or their websites or their business. But I would object to physical harm.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 09:24 PM
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what i'm saying is (and this is well documented), emotional and/or mental cruelty does do physical damage to people. i'm not condoning what WBC is doing, but i'm not condoning harrassing them either. and freedom of speech/freedom of the press, and freedom of religion, is compromised, when you hack someone's website and make it so they can't offer their viewpoint to people, based on your opinion of their opinions and/or religion.

there's no easy way around it. i argued in defense of freedom of scientology as well. even though i don't agree with them. it's a do unto others thing. i don't want someone doing that to me just because we may not agree on a topic, ya see what i mean?

it's akin to burning books you disagree with but in this case, it may also effect the livelihood of the people involved.
edit on 26-2-2011 by undo because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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what i'm saying is (and this is well documented), emotional and/or mental cruelty does do physical damage to people. i'm not condoning what WBC is doing, but i'm not condoning harassing them either.


I know exactly what you are saying.

I'm saying I don't care that they were hacked.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:38 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by undo
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what i'm saying is (and this is well documented), emotional and/or mental cruelty does do physical damage to people. i'm not condoning what WBC is doing, but i'm not condoning harassing them either.


I know exactly what you are saying.

I'm saying I don't care that they were hacked.


my site with ancient texts on it, was hacked a few years ago. cause the hacker didn't like ancient texts for some reason. and so was my site on the moon and mars. and so was my mmo site. i know what it's like to have someone hack your stuff.



posted on Feb, 26 2011 @ 11:49 PM
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Originally posted by undo
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we are taught in public schools what the catholic church did in the past, and about the salem witch trials. we're also taught the same thing in songs, tv shows, movies, books, magazines, forums such as this one, political platforms. the thing has been milked to death. as christians become less and less prejudice, the rest of the planet is being brainwashed into believing that if the planet didn't have christians, it'd be better off. now a little intellectual honesty here will help you realize, just how untrue that is.


If the world contained only moderate christians I would be tempted to agree with you. Unfortunatley it does not. Therefore I could not disagree with you more strongly.

I guess that is stale mate?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 02:00 AM
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your action is an opposite and equal reaction to fundamentalism. . to the moderates, it looks like two sides of the same coin and it has been stated here more than once, that we aren't so sure that isn't a problem reaction solution scenario, which then puts both WBC and anon in the ....is it Hegelian dialectic?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 02:20 AM
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good job anon, keep it up.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 02:21 AM
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Sorry, but you have completely lost me noiw.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 03:11 AM
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Originally posted by Shamatt
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Sorry, but you have completely lost me noiw.


you're a mirror opposite of the thing you hate. but are equally fundamental about your position.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 03:40 AM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Shamatt
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Sorry, but you have completely lost me noiw.


you're a mirror opposite of the thing you hate. but are equally fundamental about your position.


Perhaps, but I have never shunned anyone from my society for beleiving in ID, or burned anyone at the stake for stating there is a God, or tortured anyone for suggesting the world is flat, or imprissoned anyone for surmisinng that the earth is the centre of the univers.

Slightly diffrent type of fundamentalism wouldn't you say?



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:20 AM
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Originally posted by undo

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by undo
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what i'm saying is (and this is well documented), emotional and/or mental cruelty does do physical damage to people. i'm not condoning what WBC is doing, but i'm not condoning harassing them either.


I know exactly what you are saying.

I'm saying I don't care that they were hacked.


my site with ancient texts on it, was

hacked a few years ago. cause the hacker didn't like ancient texts for some reason. and so was my site on the moon and mars. and so was my mmo site. i know what it's like to have someone hack your stuff.


So this is a personal issue. Not a logical one.

Did you with intent publicly go out in the world picketing funerals of little girls murdered because you believe god is punishing the world?

Are you a lawyer who uses your knowledge to seek publicity for your belief - - by pushing the boundaries of law to the edge - - but knowing how not to cross it?

Sorry - - but I don't see the correlation - - just because you were personally hacked.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:50 AM
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yes it does give new meaning to the word "hack" when it happens to you. but it isn't just about my website, i was just giving you an example for why hacking can be used for many reasons, all of them incredibly suspect.: such as keeping a competitor out of business. stopping someone from sharing information about a subject you don't want available to others for any number of reasons. or simply on the principle that you don't like the topic, the color of the person's skin, their gender, their religion, their country of origin, and etc. it's defacing someone else's property. internet websites are often not free. and that means the site costs money out of the person's pocket. perhaps they are struggling financially and were planning on trying to make money on the internet by selling books or games.

anyway, if you don't see anything wrong with damaging other people's stuff simply because you don't agree with them, i guess we don't have anything else to talk about.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 04:58 AM
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that would make you fundamental about somethings and not fundamental about other things. .
in this case, you're fundie about WBC and WBC is fundie about gays.
and around and around it goes. all of us have some positions that could be considered extreme, (if that's a better word than fundie?). i'm just pointing out that it's one of those action->reaction things.
to diffuse it, instead of having a strong reaction, you choose not to and the whole thing
kinda fades.



posted on Feb, 27 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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Oh come on the issues with the WBC never fade, if they think you are ignoring them, they up the anttie. It does cause harm after a while you know.

As previously stated they deserve everything that is done to them,. They give religion a bad name as a whole.



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