TERRORISM: FBI Warns: Al Qaeda Recruits Non Arabs in U.S.

A new warning issued Friday the FBI about the possibility of Non Arab recruitment by al Qaeda within the United States quite possibly involving citizens or legal residence raises the ante on security personel charged with protecting the country and many upcoming public events.



Since the begining of the year there were many news storys of the possible recruitment of Europeans for al Qaeda operations against the US and many airline flights were cancelled in the first three months of 2004 on this chance.

This I believe is the first warning of its kind for the continental U.S.

Someone who was very cynical could ask, is this the beginning of a permission slip to spy on your neighbors? I mean, now the terrorists could be anyone! Not just people from the Middle East! Better keep an eye out for anyone not being patriotic, and report them as soon as possible. Don't profile by race, because they could be anywhere. Profile by actions, un-American actions.

curme what you say in respect to this subject has merit and value, so doe's the thought that some disaffected wacko in this country might actually take the oppurtunity if presented by al Qaeda, what do you suggest we do ignore this? put our heads in the sand? wish it would go away?

What is your solution? and no before you suggest presidential change that is in no way going to stop al Qaeda so don't even bother, give a solution with substance please.

My opinion is that the Patriot act should remain temporary as it was intended and should only be considered for extension in the face of an announced credible threat - not the currently announced "no specific information type" of thing we have now. I too want the government to treat us as adults that can handle bad news as well as good. Any extension for that act should only be for short periods 3-6 months and then again go before the senate for a vote.

No matter the threat US citizens must be accorded all the rights as spelled out in the constitution, bad guys were caught in the past without abrogating these rights.

Anybody remember the Oklahoma City Bombing???
Just as disease, terrorism does not claim race, color, creed, religion...you know the list. Although groups such as Al-Qaeda claim to be doing it in the name of 'Religion', as long as free will exists so shall terrorists of any nationality.

Originally posted by Phoenix
curme what you say in respect to this subject has merit and value, so doe's the thought that some disaffected wacko in this country might actually take the oppurtunity if presented by al Qaeda, what do you suggest we do ignore this? put our heads in the sand? wish it would go away?

*SNIP*

No matter the threat US citizens must be accorded all the rights as spelled out in the constitution, bad guys were caught in the past without abrogating these rights.

I agree with you, but my point is we need to keep a serious eye on our government, and what is being done in the name of 'the war on terrorism'.
I'm scared that our rights are going to be swept under the rug, along with anyone else the people in power deem a threat. It seems like the definiton of a 'terrorist' may be widening, I just hope it doesn't expand to include dissenting Americans, excercising thier freedoms .

Originally posted by curme

Originally posted by Phoenix
curme what you say in respect to this subject has merit and value, so doe's the thought that some disaffected wacko in this country might actually take the oppurtunity if presented by al Qaeda, what do you suggest we do ignore this? put our heads in the sand? wish it would go away?

*SNIP*

No matter the threat US citizens must be accorded all the rights as spelled out in the constitution, bad guys were caught in the past without abrogating these rights.

I agree with you, but my point is we need to keep a serious eye on our government, and what is being done in the name of 'the war on terrorism'.
I'm scared that our rights are going to be swept under the rug, along with anyone else the people in power deem a threat. It seems like the definiton of a 'terrorist' may be widening, I just hope it doesn't expand to include dissenting Americans, excercising thier freedoms .

I usually don't quote entire posts but if the mods allow in this case to prove both sides of the political spectrum can agree here it is, curme I wholeheartedly agree with your worries in this respect about "rights" being maintained. Yes every sword has two edges, we should be vigilant not only for terrorism but for maintenance of our rights, cannot agree more on this aspect.

We probably face just as great a threat from our own citizens as foreign national. I remember not to long ago, that the aryans and the KKK were preparing for what they foresaw as a coming race war.

I wouldn't be surprised if they were using the current distraction of international terrorism to prepare for just such an event.

And if they were to be approached by islamic militants, and offered WMD to use to start their race war, I am sure they would jump at the chance.

I know I remember reading something similar to this on Worldnet daily. but this was the only similar article I could find in their archives right now.

Not to mention that now they are primed and ready for another terrorist attack if Kerry is going to win.

Uh Oh! Now what do we have here? The Government is now saying Al-Qaeda recruits non-arabs? I mean, come on! What the hell is Al-Qaeda anyway? The Base? What base? The Base of the Elite of America? The secret Government?

Slowly, but surely, the Government is creeping right up to your doorstep. These times are sure going to be rough, heading into the future.

I can hear it now, Al-Qaeda is the catch-all phrase for any enemy of the Government. That includes the Patriot Militias, Devout Christians. Yes, they are beginning to classify anybody they want as Al-Qaeda.

They're going to eventually crack-down on other organizations that run in the name of the people. Any organization that works for the people's rights and freedoms is going to be targeted as Al-Qaeda. The Government is heading in that direction.

Originally posted by IMMORTALThey're going to eventually crack-down on other organizations that run in the name of the people. Any organization that works for the people's rights and freedoms is going to be targeted as Al-Qaeda. The Government is heading in that direction.

So you mean like "Al-ACLU"? "Al-NAACP"? Haven't they done that already?

Originally posted by phreak_of_nature
So you mean like "Al-ACLU"? "Al-NAACP"? Haven't they done that already?

I don't know if they have. But it sure is getting scary with what the Government is saying and targeting about Al-Qaeda.

This sounds like pure crap to me.



For starters.....how the hell is Al Qaeda gonna think it can recruit Americans?
How wouuld they convince an American citizen to blow themselves up for Allah? What the hell could they offer the average American that would make him want to kill himself, or kill thousands of people? There are plenty of disgruntled, angru Americans who hate the govornment, but do you think any of them would want to work to kill thousands more Americans, with no profit or gain except a fuzzy promise of 40 virgins in paradise?

AAmericans would demand something more substatial. Like ALOT of money, and the conditions that there would be no suicide missions, and the organization would help them escape.

I think Al Qaeda would fail miserably in trying to recruit Americans, unkess those Americans were fanatical Muslim extremists. Christians, Jews, and Atheists, as well as Buddists and Hundus, would laugh if asked.

Timmothy McVeigh is a classic example of a potential American terrorist. Homegrown, paranoid and hateful of the US govornment, xenophobic. Such a person would never join a foreign, alien organization with different religous views.

Americans would not join up with an Arab org, if they decided to go terrorist, they would simply run to the backwoods, and go with a group of fellow Americans and homegrown terror.

Originally posted by Skadi_the_Evil_Elf
This sounds like pure crap to me.



For starters.....how the hell is Al Qaeda gonna think it can recruit Americans?
How wouuld they convince an American citizen to blow themselves up for Allah? What the hell could they offer the average American that would make him want to kill himself, or kill thousands of people? There are plenty of disgruntled, angru Americans who hate the govornment, but do you think any of them would want to work to kill thousands more Americans, with no profit or gain except a fuzzy promise of 40 virgins in paradise?

Americans would not join up with an Arab org, if they decided to go terrorist, they would simply run to the backwoods, and go with a group of fellow Americans and homegrown terror.

Not all terrorists commit suicide, there are several of them, like in the Madrid bombings, where they don't kill themselves as they commit the violent act.

At the same time there are some poor American', as well as other nationalities, souls out there that are in some form or another mentally ill and they could be indoctrinated into dying and killing others.

Other terrorists, like Mcveigh, (sp?) can be convinced by some other terrorist group to commit attacks on certain targets and that they will not only be compensated but all costs will be covered.

It is also a shame but true that not all Americans are good people, there are some scumbags that you will find in any country, including the US.

BTW, ever heard of the third terrorist in OKC and his ties to Islamic terrorism?



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[edit on 17-7-2004 by Muaddib]

OMG!
Here's what to do America:

Pass all constitutional changes, those in power know what's best for you and a little liberty in exchange for your safety is the American way!

Everyone is a potential terrorist, you can get favour from those in positions of power by reporting all suspicious activity, free movie tickets to those that lead to successful convictions.

Ignore the human rights abuses going on in the detention camps, sympathy with the enemy will only bring suspicion, those people are terrorists and deserve no trial.

Admire Americas military might as victories mount against the impending terrorist threat, war is high-tech and accurate now and the error margin is low.

Above all, protect the Homeland!

We faced an opponent who had to be dealt with differently to be overcome. He used terror to crush the National Socialist Movement. Terror cannot be broken by reasoning, but only by counter-terrorism!

Joseph Goebbels, Berlin, 18 February 1943

Originally posted by shanti23
OMG!
Here's what to do America:

Pass all constitutional changes, those in power know what's best for you and a little liberty in exchange for your safety is the American way!

Everyone is a potential terrorist, you can get favour from those in positions of power by reporting all suspicious activity, free movie tickets to those that lead to successful convictions.

Ignore the human rights abuses going on in the detention camps, sympathy with the enemy will only bring suspicion, those people are terrorists and deserve no trial.

Above all, protect the Homeland!

I see....let me reverse roles.
There is an amber alert that a white man, 6'4 tall, black short hair, wearing a red baseball cap, a blue shirt, and shorts has just kidnapped a little girl of 8 years old in (insert name) shopping mall. The suspect was last seen driving a red 1999 Pontiac Grand Am and heading down I95.

You hear this in the radio and realize that you are in I95, and close to the area where the kidnapping has just occurred. You suddenly see a red 1999 Pontiac Grand Am get off I95, and take a shortcut that you are familiar with, and you know there are not many places he can go to taking that shortcut.
You were able, for a couple of seconds, to see the driver and he fits the description of the kidnapper.

Will you:

A) Call the police and inform them of where you last saw the car?

B) Think that by calling the police you will be ignoring the man's human rights...


The information that Islamic terrorists might be recruiting non-Muslim, non-Arabs is just giving a heads up that even if you see any suspicious activities, even of anyone that doesn't look to be Arab, as in someone leaving a bag in a shopping center or close to/in a restaurant, that it could very well be linked to terrorism.

This latest heads up is not saying for you to go to your neighboors, peak into his house through any window to see what he is doing, and then report to the police/government agency.




[edit on 17-7-2004 by Muaddib]

I hate to disagree with you skadi... But here it goes.

They would not be looking for your Average Joe to recruit him, and convert him. They would be looking for people who already share their extremist ideals, or goal of overthrowing our current government.

They could easily find extremists of any religon who are ready and willing to stage attacks, but are not funded our armed they way they want to be.

I guess that kind of goes back to the old saying, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

They would be looking for groups of people with common goals, and then aligning themselves with them. That's much easier then convincing Smilling Bob to strap on the bomb belt for allah and the 72 virgins.

This might be relevant if there was any evidence to suggest that Arabs were behind 9/11. You have to explain what happened before you can draw conclusions on how to react.

Originally posted by roxdog
This might be relevant if there was any evidence to suggest that Arabs were behind 9/11. You have to explain what happened before you can draw conclusions on how to react.

I guess Osama proclaiming the attack, means nothing to you. If you want more specific information on who are some of the people behind these attacks, what about the terrorists who blew themselves up, as they chanted in Arabic, as the Spaniard police surrounded them? These news came from Spain, the US was not involved in this, and what about all the arrests that several countries have been doing to radical islamists who were planning on attacking places in Europe.