'Anti-government extremist' groups on rise in US: study

See, unlike the lot of you - I don't look for the restoration of the constitution at all. Why? What gives people power anyhow? Money? Their status?

Who is a better person, a politician with wealth or a dying child in Africa?

I think people are looking in the wrong places for answers these days. Why give power over anyone?

What makes you better then me or I you? If people focused on the problem instead of fueling it, we would progress. Are there "Hate Groups"? of course there are. Why do people hate? Because they live under an illusion fueled by the elite - and some take it too far... way to far.

What makes a Democrat better than a Republican or vica verca? The illusions of what they represent?

I can go and quote the founding fathers of this nation for hours, and how wise they were etc... what they didn't know is that eventually - any type of rule over a population will eventually fail:

Communication is possible only between equals. The master class never abstracts enough information from the servile class to know what is actually going on in the world where the actual productivity of society occurs. Furthermore, the logogram of any authoritarian society remains fairly inflexible as time passes, but everything else in the universe constantly changes. The result can only be progressive disorientation among the rulers. The end is debacle.


Isn't that what we are seeing? Don't allude to it being any political parties fault - for it is us who gave them their power. Am I pro-anarchy? No, not at all - I just don't see government being an answer, nor do I see the illusions of money solving anything anytime soon either. Yeah, I know we are not evolved enough to comprehend living life out of love for one another (you know, the way most of humities holy books say to do?) and to boost humanity into a golden age without being slaves to an elite... but man, just imagine a world where productivity was beyond anything we have ever seen because people actually loved one another and wanted to keep everyone fed, let everyone have a house, wanted to explore the universe... wanted to know the truth - and we would. We would know the truth behind the toppled governments and the secrets they kept...

You can change the government, install new leaders, change your monitary habbits... but in the end, you will always get the same result.

Am I an extremist? no. The news is lying - it is their tool... don't feed them.

Constitution this that and the other...
It's the silly games they play with you that will eventually kill you.

Peace.

Actually the strategy and blueprint for NON-VIOLENT resistance to tyranny is all laid out right here in this book By Gene Sharp

"From Dictatorship to Democracy" it was used by the Egyptian youth to topple the regime. Everyone needs to download it and read it. It's a free PDF.

www.aeinstein.org...

Also I created a thread about it and am in the process of reading the book and will post an analysis when I am done. So far I like what I am reading.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

NPR has been referring to the anti-g*vernment movement as a rise in "hate groups", lumping them in with violent racists and the like.

It's really depressing. Even the "intellectual" news is a fierce source of ignorance-spreading propaganda.

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They always target the largest heirarchy/population of a given group to wipe out all our numbers, then moves on to the next.
Divide and Conquer

Mainstreaming Conspiracy stuff?

Would that be like National Geographic interviewing John Lear?



I wonder when that will air?



Well maybe the sleeping giant is stirring in his sleep... I know he has been arming up because gun sales are really high. Maybe there is hope for us yet

End Of America
A documentary by Naomi Wolf, a need to see, or at least have a look.

Originally posted by Goal Shack
Jesus was a terrorist.

Don't be silly. He was an anti-government extremist.

I can tell, because he didn't have an AK or any of those bomb-vests!

Originally posted by Ironclad

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by monkofmimir
I wonder how long it'll be before one of these studies mentions ATS directly

It's from the SPLC. They already did mention ATS directly, last year in a report on "dangerous extremists". Even went so far as to re-print some quotes from posts out of context to attempt to make their points.

Really?

Is there somewhere we can see these "quotes"?

I'd love to get them on plagiarism or something for using other peoples words in a written media..lol

It was my mistake, a misidentification. It was actually the ADL that wrote that other report, not the SPLC. I sometimes have a hard time telling them apart, since the rhetoric they spew is so similar.

Originally posted by nenothtu
It was actually the ADL that wrote that other report, not the SPLC. I sometimes have a hard time telling them apart, since the rhetoric they spew is so similar.

Different names, same group.

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George Washington was a terrorist, im thankful for him, and the next terrorist that brings justice in this country/world I will appreciate. I wanna be able to buy/build a house and never ever ever have to worry about paying taxes on it. I want to make a pay check knowing that 35-40% of it is not taken from me. I want to live in a country where the government is much smaller then the people, controlled by the people along with the monetary policy! I want to drive down the road and not get pulled over without some pig telling me there was something suspicious, gives me a drug screening, threatens to take me to jail for questioning his reason behind it. I dont want protection, I want freedom!

Originally posted by brokenbullet56
There's also the fact that they mention, since the U.S. elected a black president!, almost sounds like there trying to link us in with Racism also. We are getting to smart we've figured them out and they don't like it!

The "black president" thing is my favorite term lumped into the amalgamation of SPLC buzz word tripe oxymoronically titled "intelligence reports".. if you think the government sucks, it's only because you're a racist... even if you're black / hispanic ("Latino" / "African American" if thats more better). Yup, minorities who notice the abject failure of a GOP / DNC engineered society are most likely haters. Probably terrorists as well, with "links to" or "affiliated with" the boogie-man himself.

"After nearly tripling in 2009 in the wake of the election of the nation's first black president, anti-government 'patriot' groups and militias grew another 61 percent in 2010 to 824, the report by the Southern Poverty Law Center found."

I was mulling through SPLC propaganda trying to find how they justify such ridiculousness... like wtf defines "radical right", or "right-wing extremism"?.. and how do these SPLC clowns determine what constitutes "membership"?.. 1000 different groups likely have 1000 different requirements.. or do SPLC lackeys decide?

After clicking through various links finding nothing but unadulterated feces, my few remaining sperm and brain cells started screaming in agony.."no more!".. if the SPLC offers anything resembling unbiased scientific data to back up their "intelligence", so called.. I'd appreciate a link.

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This article get's straight to the point, it is true ! Not all conspiracy "fans" are extremist, but the most extremists have some vieuws/opinions that are highly influenced by populair conspiracys. For example the story that the Jews had something to do with 9/11 and other disasters, or that every president is a member of the freemasons (who also got prosecuted in WO II) , etc.

It is plain simple, Extremists are fueled by conspiracy's, it is the perfect fertilizer to create a person (mostly weakminded, easily influenced and troubled) which is super negative and full of hate against everything. So he can be used by the extrimists leaders to do everything they want.

Mark Potok is the Director of the Southern Poverty Law Center’s (SPLC) Intelligence Project. The report listed in DimensionalDetective’s news story post uses this report.

From what I gather, Potok sees the danger in paranoid conspiracy theory. Here’s the thing: Not all conspiracy theorists are paranoid or dangerously paranoid. If anyone were paranoid here, I would have to go with Potok. But I would not say Potok is at a loss to what motivates non-paranoid conspiracy theorists: Uncovering the truth.

Here’s my breakdown:

In a related story from August 12, 2010 on Huffingtonpost, Potok wrote a story titled “The Paranoid Style: Conspiracy Theories Gain Traction.” In the story, Potok interviews a professor who gives a little of the vibe of paranoia and violence. Potok asks the question to the reader of his story as a transition to introducing the professor:

“How does this kind of conspiracist thinking lead to violence?” Huffingtonpost.com

OK, Potok. I’ll bite. How does it lead to violence? I hate loaded questions. Here’s why: How does this kind of (fill in the blank) lead to violence? Transition: I’ll tell ya how. Or in this case, he tells us with some other guys opinion, Professor Michael Barkun.

“Michael Barkun, a professor emeritus at Syracuse University and the author of A Culture of Conspiracy: Apocalyptic Visions in Contemporary America, said that most of those who believe in such theories end up convinced that anyone who disputes their ideas "is just another part of the plot. They're either members of the conspiracy or lackeys of it. Everything is connected to everything else. What may be utterly mundane to us has sinister connotations for the conspiracy."Huffingtonpost.com

This is a good quote in support that paranoid people can be dangerous. Maybe the story should be more focused on how paranoid people can become dangerous, rather than labeling all conspiracy theorists paranoid. This is dangerous.

So this in in August 2010. And now we get to DimensionalDetective’s story post featuring the story by Agence France-Presse, published on Wednesday. I went to the AFP’s Web site to see about getting more info on their story, but their site was down for maintenance as of 1:45 a.m. PST. So, I’ll just go with the story as it stands.

The story breakdown is sensational. For example in the lead:

“…extremist groups continues to explode in the United States…”Rawstory.com

Extremist groups + Explode + United States = Sensationalization of facts at hand.

And then on into the nut graph we have:

“…'patriot' groups and militias grew another 61 percent in 2010 to 824…”Rawstory.com

Listing patriot groups and militias in the nut graph ramp it up. AFP’s view of the U.S. is obvious in this story, but a lot of news these days is sensational in nature. (Ah, the rhetoric. It makes me wonder, is Potok aware how HIS rhetoric may be detrimental to non-paranoid conspiracy theorists?)

The use of patriot groups and militias made me want to read that part of the report, so I did. If AFP is going to put them in the nut graph, they must be the most prone to violent, paranoid acts. An “explosion,” as they put it. Well, the word explosion makes me think of violence for sure.

But this is what I got from the SPLC’s report. BOOM! An explosion of truth: A disclaimer written into the introduction of the list of 824 patriot groups and militias:

“Listing here does not imply that the groups themselves advocate or engage in violence or other criminal activities, or are racist.” Splcenter.org

OK. So why create media to scare people, Potok?

I think Potok is scared, and I think he’s seen a lot of scary things the SPLC has dealt with over the years. But I think going after people who deal in conspiracy in such a general way seems disproportionate to the SPLC’s purpose:

“…dedicated to fighting hate and bigotry, and to seeking justice for the most vulnerable members of society.”Splcenter.org

If you’re reading, Mark, we are not all paranoid or dangerous. Irrational fear will not help avoid future problems. It will create them.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective

'Anti-government extremist' groups on rise in US: study

www.rawstory.com

CHICAGO – Membership in anti-government extremist groups continues to explode in the United States amid frustration over the lagging economy and the "mainstreaming of conspiracy theories," a study released Wednesday found.

After nearly tripling in 2009 in the wake of the election of the nation's first black president, anti-government 'patriot' groups and militias grew another 61 percent in 2010 to 824, the report by the Southern Poverty Law Center found.

(visit the link for the full news article)

Ummm.......Just reread the last sentence of your post, "southern poverty law center", that should tell you how much credence to give this article.

In my opinion, the SPLC is an extremest group, their findings are never mainstream and are always agenda driven, drivel.

YouSir

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Ugh! It sounds like they're talking about ATS people.

How the heck do they know that it has risen by 61%???? Sounds like evidence that they're spying on us, or somebody...

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there basically saying anyone who believes in conspiracy theories or are orgnaising for potential disasters is a potential terrorist.

Originally posted by anumohi
yeah, i just need a few cool mil of that stimulus, then i wont feel so extreme anymore.

as a matter of fact, I'll just move the hell out of your country and you wont have to worry about me canceling your subscription for you

This made laugh!

Same old crap from big bro. You have to wonder what kind of people this kind of crap actually sticks to?

CHICAGO – Membership in anti-government extremist groups continues to explode in the United States amid frustration over the lagging economy and the "mainstreaming of conspiracy theories," a study released Wednesday found.

After nearly tripling in 2009 in the wake of the election of the nation's first black president, anti-government 'patriot' groups and militias grew another 61 percent in 2010 to 824, the report by the Southern Poverty Law Center found.

DEFINITION OF TERMS:
"Anti-government extremists" -- Anyone opposed to socialism, communism, liberalism or Obama. Also, anyone who is a Christian or legally owns a gun.

"conspiracy theory" -- ANY obvious, undeniable truth that is contrary to the official, elitest, liberal kool-aid.

"anti-government patriot groups" -- Christians, churches, constitutionalists, gun-rights advocates, tea-party members, conservatives, libertarians and anyone who watches Fox News or listens to Glenn Beck or opposes Barak Obama in any way (This automatically makes you a racist too!). If you have memorized the Pledge of Allegiance or have read the Constitution of the United States, you are elevated to the next level which is "terrorist group".

"Southern Poverty Law Center" (SPLC)-- also known as the Socialista Politiko Larcenistic Commitika and the Super Profitable Liars Club. Surely, they have no agenda of their own...

I have been a cliché "Lurker" here for sometime. Hello to all of you. I see the simplicty in what is being said. I for one love to come to ATS to get the many varied views and to see whats being reported about the odd an unsual esoteric subjects that pop up here. Now back on topic.

The world is changing. The US goverment is afraid it wont be able to carry on with it's buisness as usual. They have wasted all the resources we have payed taxes on.They continue to promote secrecy in a world that hates being kept in the dark. indeed they fear what happened in egypt will happen to it's citizenry here in the US.

I knew for sometime that the current system was flawed but now it's loosing it's funding and politicians are getting afraid that we might actually stand up and ask why?. So they're locking down on many freedoms incase it starts to become unhinged. Americans god bless them all, have remained sheep because we dont like making waves. we want to go to sleep and wake up with the same redundant routine each day,because it makes us feel secure.

I do believe a change is coming that they can't control (Tinfoil Hat Is On) So just releasing such a study could light up the internet to see which sites have the largest groups they can track.

Originally posted by DimensionalDetective


UH-OH...

Take a close look at that wording people:

"Anti-government extremists" tied in with the "mainstreaming of CONSPIRACY THEORIES".

Now, who exactly, do you think they are trying to insinuate here are "extremists"? Rhetorical question.


www.rawstory.com
(visit the link for the full news article)

After nearly tripling in 2009 in the wake of the election of the nation's first black president, anti-government 'patriot' groups and militias grew another 61 percent in 2010

And then they tied it all up neatly with a bow of racism. "Extremism", conspiracy theories, and racism. Nice. /Sarcasm/