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Originally posted by obilesk
Humans are "born good"? Really?? Although I agree with your assessment of the majority of people being willing to work towards the common good, I wholeheartedly disagree that we are born good.
Has a child ever had to be taught how to lie? No. If a child, even as young as 2, is told not to do X, and then does X, they will say they didn't if they are aware of the punishment. Irrational self-preservation = bad behavior.
Originally posted by ConspiricusTheoricus
reply to post by Viking9019
edit on 2/24/2011 by ConspiricusTheoricus because: (no reason given)
Does anyone think this could actually spread to america?edit on 2/24/2011 by ConspiricusTheoricus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Blaine91555
I think some of you are substituting what you would like to be happening with what is really happening.
The people of NK are completely cut off from the world we live in. They are contained in an information vacuum.
To try and connect the dot's between what is happening in the Middle East is as wrong minded as trying to connect it with what is happening in the Western World.
In NK the driving force is starvation and a need for basics like lights and heat to survive. In the Western Industrialized World, the motivation is the lack of money by a populace that is spoiled and used to getting what they want, who can not understand that the money is gone and so are the candy bowls full of free government handouts. In the Middle East they are fighting for basic Human Rights.
Add to that the forces in the Middle East have every reason to support the Great Leader and no reason to support the suffering people of NK. Great Leader supplies them with the weapons they need and asks no questions. There are no social ties of any sort between the Middle East and NK beyond the desire to obtain weapons.
The way this thread reads is like people have invented how they want this to go to justify their own theories and feelings. Reasoning has been thrown out the window in favor of defining the evidence to fit the desired outcome.
The highly paid Teachers who have ample resources and are protesting to protect their cash cows may pretend to have an affinity with those in the Middle East fighting for basic human rights, but that is so disingenuous as to be troubling.
The Students in the UK rioting for more free candy from the government candy bowl may pretend there is a connection, but it's absurd to think so.
The Anarchists who lay claim to any old cause lying around and have done so all throughout history, are just doing as they always do; using anything remotely relevant to justify their insanity and desire to cause mayhem. Bringing attention to themselves is their true goal and no doubt they will attempt to lay claim to things totally unrelated to them.
The Greeks rioting for more candy from an empty candy bowl, well they just want more candy.
Those in the Middle East are protesting for something real and necessary, which is the right to live a life like we have in the West so they can raise children in freedom to complain they don't get enough candy these days. They want nothing more than what we already have. Many of them would die to give their children what our poorest have already.
In NK, cut off from the world around them, in a near barren wasteland of despair and under the iron fist of a brutal Dictatorship; they just want some food, clothes, lights and heat to survive. Most outside of the elite, don't even know a life like we live exists.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by ReRun
Here's a notion.
There are no puppetmasters. You are looking at a completely organic snowball event.
Tunisia protested, and - no doubt to the surprise of the Tunisians, it worked. Inspired by this, people in other autocratic regimes in the Maghreb and middle east have started their own movements... With even more surprise victories. Egypt's revolution is succeeding. Gaddhafi is falling like a brick. Bahrain is set to go to the people whether the US likes it or not.
These successes are witnessed by people in Ghana, and people in Cote d'Ivorie, people in China and North Korea. They see these uprisings working, autocrats falling, and they tell themselves, "We can do that, too." So they do.
As more successes mount, more movements will rise around the world. It will spread like an epidemic - which, to those seated on the thrones, it certainly is.
The situation is nearing critical mass; All it will take is another people's victory, and it'll start sweeping. Incidentally, an act of repression will also spur it further at this point.
I used to laugh at the people who posted on here about a "new global awareness." I still chuckle at the new-agey stuff, but this... certainly looks like a globe-changer to me.
Originally posted by mossme89
Out of all the articles i read, i have to say I am SHOCKED by this. It just goes to show even the most brainwashed people in the world can take to the streets to protest their leaders and act defiantly. There may be hope for the US after all...
But these revolts/uprisings/protests are really becoming a trend. China is right next door, i wonder how long until it spreads to there, and possibly even Russia & the US?