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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:26 AM
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well take it with a grain of salt , some do know how to push ones buttons , and thank you ,any ways this is one video we all need to see or shall i say, a series of them wn.com... and then this, how reliable???? but i will post nonetheless en.wikipedia.org...
and then there is chaff, www.freepatentsonline.com...
ok so now why all the hub bub well what are breathing? air or CHEMICALS???? www.carnicom.com... www.nogw.com... " this is safe and harmless spray, you can let your kids play in it" add from 1940-50's DDT like this add for DDT www.whale.to...



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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:07 AM
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Let me offer this for your perusal


Expert: Chemtrails are global covert operation for total control, detecting UFOs


Continue reading on Examiner.com: Expert: Chemtrails are global covert operation for total control, detecting UFOs - Seattle exopolitics | Examiner.com www.examiner.com...
www.examiner.com...
Part1


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www.examiner.com...


Chemtrails are global covert operation for total control, detecting UFOs-Part 2
February 28th, 2011 11:42 pm PT


NOTE: This is Part 2 of a 3-part article on the war crimes, crimes against humanity, and genocide now talking place as a result of the covert global operation of spraying aerosols into the Earth’s atmosphere, also known as “chemtrails”.

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Covert aerosol spraying (chemtrails) and electromagnetic operations (HAARP), environmental modification (weather war), geophysical operations (earthquake war)


The HAARP-Atmosphere Plasma weapons system

HAARP has 3 major weapons-system components

HAARP: Reported electromagnetic and plasma weapons functions:


The HAARP-atmospheric plasma weapons system is a weapon of mass destruction




HAARP-atmospheric plasma weapons system and tectonic (earthquake) warfare





The HAARP-Atmosphere Plasma weapons system

There are reportedly up to 14 HAARP-like facilities around the planet, including Alaska, Area 51, Peru, Brazil, Puerto Rico, Long Island, U.K., Norway, Russia, Japan, China, India, Australia (Pine Gap) [Please see global HAARP locations in figure A above].

One independent scientist notes: “I identified the HAARP sites two years ago. They left some key ones out: Chile (HAARP earthquake as President was sworn in), Cyprus (Black Sea Storm), Dushanbe Tajikistan (Tien Shan gold belt), and ANTARCTICA - the most important one. Plus, they forgot all the Russian installations - more than any other country.”

Covert aerosol spraying (chemtrails) have transformed the Earth’s atmosphere into a plasma that is used for HAARP directed energy scalar weapons, mind control, weather warfare, and tectonic (earthquake) warfare weapons applications.

There is prima facie evidence that chemtrails and HAARP has in fact been used in each of these applications as directed energy scalar weapons, mind control, weather warfare, and tectonic (earthquake) warfare weapons.

HAARP is an exotic weapons system that is part of the weaponization of space, using "scalar wave interferometry" - a technology first discovered by scientist Nicola Tesla in the early 1900's. Two or more longitudinal, ultra-low frequency waves are “aimed” at an intersecting point, at which time they interact in a very unique way, “tapping” into the limitless plenum of energy surrounding the planet, and weaponizing this scalar energy.

HAARP has 3 major weapons-system components

Space-based component (Ionosphere): HAARP weaponizes the Earth's Ionosphere, the uppermost layer of the atmosphere before outer space.
Atmosphere-based component (Atmospheric Plasma): HAARP uses aerosol-enhanced (chemtrails) atmosphere plasma as a plasma-based weapons system, and as a binary bio-warfare weapons system against the human population.
Ground-based component (Disguised as research facility): HAARP ground stations disguised as “research facilities “energize HAARP in at least 14 locations around the globe.
HAARP: Reported electromagnetic and plasma weapons functions:



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 06:03 AM
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No, the word was lingering contrails and then changed to persistent contrails. It started in 2003 or 2004 with Nasa's site for kids and they had class exercises to record the "contrails" and not how many they would see in the sky over them. (Brainwashing the kids into thinking these contrails are normal)

The site has changed a lot since they launched it. But here is the url:
asd-www-temp.larc.nasa.gov...



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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Not the old 'unmarked white planes' non-sense and the 'X-trails'. It is a myth! Study Air Traffic Control. Go onto either an aviation radio monitoring forum or civil aviation hobby forum and learn the basics. Ask questions and see exactly what it going on. You can even buy software to track and monitor the aircraft. See websites such as Flight Aware and Plane Plotter for example.

Take a look at the 'evidence' presented on You Tube of these unmarked white planes. It is pure misdirection. I feel sorry for the people who suckered in and comment on the videos. They never get to see the actual truth about those aircraft and are simply misled on purpose. Sad, sad, sad!

See following post.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

TJ



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 07:25 AM
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You can put those T-shirt to good use. Remember not to breathe too deeply while standing under the sprayers and then run indoors for your UV pen!

tankerenemy.blogspot.com...

Also remember not to pick up anything! Will the stupidity never end?





Here she actually films the fibres falling from the chemtrails.




TJ



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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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That is because you are ignorant of aviation. You are presenting videos from the likes of Tanker Enemy. You might as well go onto Rod Hilderman's Channel and show his fake planes chem planes! Anyone can do it. Get a video camera, create a YT Channel and film routine aviation in your vicinity. Create a story, block those that try to debate and show glaring errors.

All they are in it for is back slapping and their 15 minutes of fame on YT. I've personally contacted some of those admiring backslappers on Tanker Enemy's Channel. Some of them were upset that they had been deceived by Tanker Enemy. Deceived by poor aircraft recognition, ident of the actual aircraft and livery. He deceives people and leads them with ignorance in regards to aviation.

Videos such as this Tu-154 where he claims that is is a drone carrying pods for spraying.



The aircraft is a Tupolev 154. A segment of the Tu-154 footage appears in that long Tanker Enemy video that you presented. The pods are for the undercarriage. This is really, really basic aviation knowledge, but it is twisted by Tanker Enemy because he want to mislead. Even when presented with the evidence in e-mails it is simply ignored and the ignorance continues.

www.airliners.net...

The pods are a design trait by then Soviet designer Andrei Tupolev. It was one solution to find a way of how to house large bogie undercarriage without eating into fuselage or wing space.

en.wikipedia.org...

www.airliners.net...

Tupolev also designed military aircraft and the undercarriage pods also featured on them.

www.airliners.net...

www.airliners.net...

TJ



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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I trust my own eyes, but thank you kindly.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Perhaps if you see air-to-air footage you will understand better why there is a gap between the engine exhaust and the contrail forming?

Note the contrail gap from these Mirage fighters at 01:24 and 03:26?



Air-to-air footage of a Boeing 747 producing contrails. Note the gap between the engine exhaust till when the water vapour condenses? Note explanation in comments section?



Air-to-air footage of a Boeing 767 producing contrails. Note the gap?



Footage of two fighters intercepting a military transport aircraft at altitude. Note how as the fighters climb they produce contrails. Note at the end of the video as they descend to lower altitude after the intercept you will see the gap and then the contrails fade.



Next time you are on an airliner get a window seat just behind the wing and observe for yourself.

TJ



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Gerizo
 



What you have just described is a situation and atmospheric condition when the temperature and RH are conducive to CIRRUS cloud formation too.....the contrails, once they are made, just add to the mix. Nature does the rest.

You don't deny that cirrus clouds form, right? You as much said so. Then, why is it so hard to realize the reality of contrails (also, basically, a type of cirrus cloud) contributing and adding to what Mother Nature can do on her own??

Too bad people are taken in so readily by the hoaxers who prey on ignorance and fear......

(A visit in person with someone who is an expert, and you will then verify.....because so many just don't seem to "get it" from anonymous people online who know what they're talking about....odd, since those same will believe ANY crackpot "chem"-trail pusher, even if they've never met....hmmmmm....anyway, try to find some professionals and experts. Local University, for example. Go to the library, look up some meteorology books. Prepare to learn....).



Weedwhacker the contrail conman. Tell me, is it a directive from the aviation industry that whenever discussing 'Contrails' you must use terms and phrases such as 'Naturally occuring contrails', 'normal contrails' and your latest and greatest (excuse for a second while I choke) "contrails ..adding to what Mother Nature can do on her own"?

The aviation industry was doing a good job for awhile at convincing the world that 'contrails' are normal and 'chemtrails' don't exist but enough is enough. Anyone who still believes the tripe you peddle is either plain gullible or lazy. For the record, there is absolutely nothing natural or normal about any contrail and any suggestion otherwise is an out and out lie. Despite the conveniently coined term 'contrail-cirrus', there is a distinct difference between contrails and natural cirrus clouds. For starters, contrails can exist far outside the scope required for any naturally forming cirrus clouds. Whilst on the subject, the term 'contrail-cirrus' actually refers to naturally formed cirrus clouds that have been polluted by an aircraft exhaust plume, not an actual contrail as such. In fact, for every visible contrail polluting our skies and our air at any one time it is estimated that there is at least 10 times that in polluted 'contrail-cirrus'.

I agree with you that people should consult experts, so lets see what the experts say. I have provided links to the documents in which I quote from below and I suggest that anyone who is interested in the contrail/chemtrail debate read all of these documents from start to finish. You need to understand the 'CONtrail' first and these are at least a start. I would hate to see the truth continue to be lost amongst the overgrown planted weeds


Expert 1: Kenneth Sassen
Org: DoM University of Utah
Study: Contrail-Cirrus Potential for Regional Climate Change
Link: K.Sassen



-The evidence indicates that the direct radiative effects of contrails display the potential for regional climate change at many midlatitude locations
-Their effects can be both direct, in that aircraft condensation trails (contrails) can persist to create new
or supplement existing cirrus, or indirect, wherein aircraft emissions can modify the chemistry, aerosols,
and water vapor budget of the comparatively clean and dry UT
-contrails fill a niche forbidden to cirrus clouds formed under the usual adiabatic process. The reason that contrail humidities would not be expected to exceed the Sassen–Dodd relation is that, once formed along the solid line, cirrus cloud growth tends to deplete the excess water vapor
-Obviously, the information provided here indicates that contrail-cirrus should not generally be treated as natural cirrus, particularly with regard to the dissimilar radiative effects produced by the numerous small ice particles inhabiting many contrails


Expert 2: Ulrich Schumann
Org: Institut für Physik der Atmosphäre- Germany
Study: Formation, Properties & Climatic Effects of Contrails
Link: Schuman - Contrails




- Contrails are of importance for aviation because of their visibility, and because of their potential climate impact
-Persistent contrails form in ice-supersaturated air masses. In such cases often contrail cirrus forms where no cirrus would form otherwise because ice supersaturation is often too low for natural cirrus particle nucleation
- liquid water droplets form, by condensation of water vapour mainly on soot and volatile particles in the exhaust plume. Saturation with respect to ice is not sufficient for contrail formation
- Aircraft engines emit hot exhaust gases containing mainly water vapour and carbon dioxide, and
small amounts of nitrogen oxides, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide, sulphuric oxides (oxidation products
of sulphur containing molecules included in aviation fuels), some organic material (partially condensable),
and chemi-ions (charged molecular clusters formed during combustion in the engine), soot
(organic and black carbon) and possibly small metal particles (from mechanical erosion)
-Soot particles emitted from aircraft engines contain fuel impurities (including sulfur compounds)
and have experienced strong oxidation before leaving the combustion chamber and hence are mostly
hydrophilic in contrast to pure black carbon particles [22-24]. By coating with sulphuric acid, soot
particles may become even better suited as condensation nuclei.liquid particles acting as condensation nuclei depends also on the presence of chemi-ions which support coagulation of the initially forming very small particles [4, 25]. The amount, size and composition of emitted and entrained particles influence the number of ice particles in the contrail



Expert3 - NASA
project - SUCCESS (Sub-Sonic aircraft Contrail and Cloud Effect Special Study)
Links: Success1 Success2



-Observations during SUCCESS have shown that the particles that make up "young" contrails are typically smaller and more numerous than cirrus cloud particles. The microphysical signal of contrail particles may contain clues to the evolution of contrails, and their interaction with cirrus cloud.
-...coverage remained in all three cases after 5 to 9 hours. Additional re-growth or continued dissipation is possible. Assumptions about contrails remaining in the air routes are not supported by these results. Contrail cloudiness can advect considerable distances from their source, substantially increasing the area affected by manmade clouds.
-the contrails are composed of small ice crystals that are less than half the size of the nearby cirrus clouds.
-After examining the bulk of the mass spectra, we have found numerous examples of aerosols containing a variety of chemical species, including ammonium sulfate (and/or bisulfate), ammonium nitrate, sodium sulfate (and/or bisulfate), sulfuric acid (most notably while following the 757), calcium nitrate, and sodium bicarbonate





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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:16 PM
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Originally posted by bekod
reply to post by MathiasAndrew
 
well take it with a grain of salt , some do know how to push ones buttons , and thank you ,any ways this is one video we all need to see or shall i say, a series of them wn.com... and then this, how reliable???? but i will post nonetheless en.wikipedia.org...
and then there is chaff, www.freepatentsonline.com...
ok so now why all the hub bub well what are breathing? air or CHEMICALS???? www.carnicom.com... www.nogw.com... " this is safe and harmless spray, you can let your kids play in it" add from 1940-50's DDT like this add for DDT www.whale.to...



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What is it about CHAFF that you chemmies find sinister? Would you rather that our pilots were more vulnerable to radar guided missiles launched at them?

Contrary to chemmie dogma, chaff is not particles, a liquid or aerosol. It is a bundle of aluminum strips, released to fool a radar guided missile. It is not dumped, sprayed, or whatever it is you all think.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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I feel so, so sorry for you. A bit of puzzlement, as well.....

....you open that post with the usual rants that "contrails can't persist", then you post text from your sources that SAY EXACTLY THAT!!!! Did you not actually read those statments? They mostly discuss the effects of persisitent contrails on climate. It is something that many climate scientists are interested in.

But, none of them are of any other opinion, but that the contrails that form, and can (sometimes) persist, are nothing other than contrails. Water vapor that condenses into liquid, and nearly instantly then freezes to form ice crystals. That is it.

It is truly amazing, how simple this is, and how ridiculously over complicated the "chemmies" have made it out to be.....well, THAT is how they fool the ignorant and gullible, and keep their hoax going.....so sad.




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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 12:50 PM
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Originally posted by weedwhacker
reply to post by Seagle
 


I feel so, so sorry for you. A bit of puzzlement, as well.....

....you open that post with the usual rants that "contrails can't persist", then you post text from your sources that SAY EXACTLY THAT!!!! Did you not actually read those statments? They mostly discuss the effects of persisitent contrails on climate. It is something that many climate scientists are interested in.

But, none of them are of any other opinion, but that the contrails that form, and can (sometimes) persist, are nothing other than contrails. Water vapor that condenses into liquid, and nearly instantly then freezes to form ice crystals. That is it.

It is truly amazing, how simple this is, and how ridiculously over complicated the "chemmies" have made it out to be.....well, THAT is how they fool the ignorant and gullible, and keep their hoax going.....so sad.




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That was a little strange too. Every article he posted, exactly affirmed naturally persisting contrails, and debunked the chemtrail religion



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 01:06 PM
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what makes you think it is there as a chem trail just because it is a link? no for your info it is one of many, could be what you are seeing, as a chem trail, and yes chaff is used as a mass cover radar deflection, the new chaff is in microns to fool the radar, it is no longer strips. that is why it is there do any of you read or just type and put in your thoughts? just wondering. at lest some of us will know why we get sick or ill the plants die why the water is toxic and the soil unfit. but hay at least i care what can i do be informed, go green and say good by to DOW Chem and then next year do a soil water test see for your self. and doe sthis not describe a Chemtrail

Also disclosed is a related method of forming such articles, comprising chemical vapor depositing the oxidizable metal coating on the substrate and contacting the metallized substrate with a sol gel dispersion of the inorganic electrically insulative material which then is dried under suitable conditions to form the microporous layer on the substrate. When utilized in a form comprising fine diameter substrate elements such as glass or ceramic filaments, the resulting product may usefully be employed as an evanescent chaff. In the presence of atmospheric moisture, such evanescent chaff undergoes oxidation of the oxidizable metal coating so that the radar signature of the chaff transiently decays.
that is all that i am saying any thing could be a chem trial


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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:20 PM
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No, chaff is not in micron particles, that does not fool any radar. A particle is not going to reflect anything back to any amount to fool a radar, because thats not how any of it works. Modern systems actually cut the length of the aluminum instantly, in order to maximize the return against the frequency of being used.

Just the fact that you write about chaff being in microns, shows a fundamental lack of understanding about how radar works. Combat aircraft does not have tanks of tiny particles, they have bundles of aluminum deployed by the pilot, or automatically by an ECM system.

There is a reason radar does not reflect particles, it has to do with resonance of the object and thats based on size. Raindrops return radar, but clouds to not. Dust does not show up on radar, but insect swarms and flocks of birds can.

Here is a chaff dispenser on an AV-8B Harrier
daytonipms.com...



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:24 PM
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:31 PM
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so let see all of you explain this pat www.freepatentsonline.com... that is if you can note the date.



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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and this is what chaff is now what was and is to come www.globalsecurity.org...

There are two types of chaff, aluminum foil and aluminum-coated glass fibers. The foil type is no longer manufactured, although it remains in the inventory and is used primarily by B-52 bombers. Both types are cut into dipoles ranging in length from 0.3 to over 2.0 inches. They are made as small and light as possible so they will remain in the air long enough to confuse enemy radar. The aluminum foil dipoles are 0.45 mils (0.00045 inches) thick and 6 to 8 mils wide. The glass fiber dipoles are generally 1 mil (25.4 microns) in diameter, including the aluminum coating which is 0.12 f 0.06 mils thick. A new superfine glass fiber chaff is being manufactured that is 0.7 mil (17.8 microns) in diameter.
you were saying???? the above is from the link posted, some just do not read.
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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Will I will correct myself, chaff is being made smaller than before, however the rest of the article you linked to, pretty much debunks everything else.

It is deployed in bundles, not sprayed, and it is from .3 to 2 inches long fibers, not released as particles, aerosols or liquids. And it is to confuse enemy radar, especially to spoof radar guided missiles, and not for every other sinister purpose that chemmies claim. Did you read the whole webpage, or just the part about sizes?



The materials in chaff are generally nontoxic except in quantities significantly larger than those any human or animal could reasonably be exposed to from chaff use.




The potential for chaff to affect soil and water is remote. Levels of use and accumulation would have to be extremely high to generate any significant adverse effects. Laboratory tests of chaff, using a modified toxic characteristics leaching procedure, indicated little or no potential for adverse effects on soil.




No adverse impacts on biological resources have been identified. Since chaff is generally nontoxic, toxicity-related impacts on wildlife are not anticipated.


I am not sure how chaff go to be the boogeyman to chemmies. Maybe infra-red flares will be next on their list



posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:39 PM
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it seems to me i read more than you did,no offense meant,some things just need to be read more than once

he glass fiber dipoles are generally 1 mil (25.4 microns) in diameter, including the aluminum coating which is 0.12 f 0.06 mils thick. A new superfine glass fiber chaff is being manufactured that is 0.7 mil (17.8 microns) in diameter.
then on the flip side

The FAA has placed more stringent restrictions on DOD use of any type of chaff that operates within the bands used by air traffic control radar and navigational systems. In taking the more conservative approach to air traffic control and flight safety, FAA has limited or placed restrictions on the locations, altitudes, and/or time periods within which specific types of chaff can be employed.


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posted on Mar, 1 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by bekod
so let see all of you explain this pat www.freepatentsonline.com... that is if you can note the date.


yeah, from 1970. But a patent does not mean anything other than someone has an idea for something.

Here is a patent for a device to possibly travel through time..

www.pat2pdf.org...



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