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Is ATS Supporting Ignorance Concerning Chemtrails? I think so.

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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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I would love to see these "embedded" violations of the forums' terms removed. While posts containing most or only insults are removed there are too many slipping them in under the cover of otherwise legitimate questions or points.




posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 06:50 PM
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I agree with the op. On certain days I look up and think to myself, "this is crazy" I see much more jets in the sky than usual and they leave trails that linger and later develop into cloud cover. It all seems very strange and I suspect that the airforce is up to experiments of some kind, but thats just speculation. The truth of the matter is, even after researching the contrail evidence, geoengineering, weather manipulation, and the chemtrail evidence, I can't possibly know what is going on up there. I don't think there is a big conspiricy to poison people, while all these other people are in on it. That is a bit far reaching and something a disinfo agent would post to make people who question what's going on above them appear crazy. I do think experiments take place in the sky and I also believe a lot of information about it is kept from the public. I can't prove a chemtrail from a contrail. I have no way to know if experiments are taking place or not it just seems strange to watch. That is why this subject should be taken more seriously, so one day people might know about these things, and why not to just be put into skunk works.
I've posted before about the trails I've been watching over North East Florida and I found it strange how quickly people wanted to argue with my person thoughts about what I've been watching, although some people did offered some good insight. There seem to be members geared up and ready to argue about chemtrails/contrails post as soon ats they drop and they seem good at it. This is also odd to me. If I don't respond to you I don't have time.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Clean water, post natal child care and regular food explain most of increased life expectancy - compared to what lower class city dwellers might have eaten in 1900 even Macdonald's is good food!


didn't I read somewher that revcently US life expectancy either reversed or slowed down - mainly due to obesity?? Found it - www.webmd.com... - but due to smoking not obesity.

Smoking huh? Well there's a real life chemtrail conspiracy that has plenty of evidence supporting it!!



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Originally posted by IndieA
There seem to be members geared up and ready to argue about chemtrails/contrails post as soon ats they drop and they seem good at it. This is also odd to me.


I fi that description, and I'm happy to say why I do - can't speak for others of course.

I am an "aviation professional". I am a mechanic - I started an apprenticeship in 1976, and have worked as a mechanic, maintenance planner and quality assurance inspector for several companies - airlines and 3rd party maintenance providers.

I currently work for a national regulatory authority - the local equivalent of the FAA/CAA/CASA, etc.

According to the chemtrail story I'm pretty sure I have to know about it - I've worked on, planned maintenance for and inspected aircraft that I know have left persistent contrails. I now "regulate" aircraft that leave persistant contrails and many of my colleagues inspect them (I no longer do).

And, needless to say, I have enver seen, heard, or otherwise encountered any evidence of spraying anything on the unsuspecting populace of the world, whether by way of a conspiracy or anythign else.

So I am personally insulted by the suggestion - I consider it personally libelous even if it isn't legally so.

It also insults my concept of an intelligent human race that people can ignore repeatable, verifiable, objective evidence - I am occasinoally plenty stupid myself, but this is jsut too freakin' stupid for me to be silent about. So are a few other things......see my sig....but they're generally a bit too big for me to tackle


So yep - I'm always ready to ask "What is the evidence that that is a chemtrail?" or some similar awkward question!



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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just a quick personal anecdote.. a few years ago i was out on my friends roof in manhattan. full moon, clearest night. In fact it was clear enough that we were able to see the trails coming out the back of a plane in the near horizon of the night sky (the moon was still rising so it was such that the plane actually crossed in front of it providing clear illumination.

Funny thing was the plane had no lights on it at all. it took a few seconds for me to even notice that but it struck me as extremely odd. My friend, who had no prior knowledge of the topic (or really any conspiracy theories for that matter) was genuinely spooked by it, as was I!

I had always been on the fence about chemtrails until i saw that. you can prattle on about fuel discharge and atmospheric conditions yadda yadda but none of those make wing lights disappear in a clear night sky.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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The debunkers will automatically go to the poisoning/genocide theory to derail the topic. The metallic particles in the trails is a great indicator, imo, that the reason is for reflecting some radiation back up into the atmosphere. I believe it must be weather modification, radiation reflection, or weapons systems related. I started noticing these around 10 years ago as I saw that the chemtrails don't go away and just leave a hazy sky if enough are up there. Commercial airliners' contrails don't linger and merge with others to completely cover a whole sky, even around major airports. You can observe that the sprayers don't appear to be on regular airline routes also. I don't even tell people i know about it anymore because they just think i'm crazy. But, these people don't spend alot of their time looking up like I do.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:22 PM
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People have done numerous tests on the material left behind. You refuse to look at or consider it, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist like you claim. It just means you aren't willing to look at all the evidence.


Hi there!

Could you point me to the numerous tests please, I'd like to look at it, and consider it if that's ok with you

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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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I believe it must be weather modification, radiation reflection, or weapons systems related. I started noticing these around 10 years ago as I saw that the chemtrails don't go away and just leave a hazy sky if enough are up there. Commercial airliners' contrails don't linger and merge with others to completely cover a whole sky, even around major airports. You can observe that the sprayers don't appear to be on regular airline routes also.


Yes. You explained it well.
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Just because you didn't notice them doesn't mean other people weren't.

From 1919:

The second German sighting occurred on May 9, 1919, when a pilot flying over Berlin at about 26,000 feet noticed the generation of a cloud stream that extended for about forty miles behind his plane. This stream eventually spread out to form a cloud layer that was about 3,000 feet thick. The pilot saw a similar phenomenon two days later.
www.accessmylibrary.com...


From 1968:

Daily, for example, hundreds of jet planes crisscross the nation or great parts of it, often leaving fluffy contrails of water vapor, manmade clouds, as a signature of their passage.

Some contrails soon dissapate. Others turn into or are soon followed by high cirruse clouds that can and do influence the earth's heat balance with the sun.

Source

From 1970:

The spreading out of jet contrails into extensive cirrus sheets is a familiar sight. Often, when persistent conditions exist from 25,000 to 40,000ft, several long contrails increase in number and gradually merge into an almost solid interlaced sheet.

journals.ametsoc.org...


1972:

Then there is the matter of cloudiness. The familiar contrails often left by high-flying planes might persist for a long time under some conditions.
Source



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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:35 PM
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Actually most radiatin is reflected by teh white of the clouds.

Your mention of airports is a red herring - most contrails are generated at high altitude - bu definition the aircraft taking off and landing at airports are lower than that hence do not generate contrails!! If it is particularly cold they will do so - there are YT vids of contrails at takeoff in Antarctica for example, but in general it is not the case.

Planes will generate contrails wherever they are - they do not have to be on regular airline routes, and to be perfectly honest most observers seem to have little idea as to where the regular routes are - this cute little interactive shows routes too and from UK cities - but looking at eth routes within the UK shows how pointless it is to suggest that aircraft there are not on a route - pretty much everywhere is on 1 more more routes to somewhere!!

This page links to various US airline route maps - where is it in the USA that yuo are not near a regular airline route??

As for lights at night - airliners are only required to show 3 lights - green on the starboard wing, red on the port, and white to the rear, and the rotating red beacon.

Howeve these have limited visibility directly above and below - the rotating beacon has to be visible 75 degrees + and - from the line of flight, and they can have some small blockages even within that.

I can't find anything about the red/green/white, but from memory they are even more restricted - ref and green are mainly visible in the forward-left/right arcs respectively, and whiet fromastern - none of them are very visible if ther is a considerable vertical angle - eg if the a/c was directly overhead.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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ATS is just another site ran by the nwo to cull all the free thinkers so when the day comes, they know who to put in the FEMA camps.

As for chem trails - just look up. they are either protecting us from solar flares, obscuring the sky or an attempt to kill the weak.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:40 PM
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Originally posted by AnnunakiRageTheChosenPeop
As for chem trails - just look up. they are either protecting us from solar flares, obscuring the sky or an attempt to kill the weak.


why are those the only options? Protection from solar flares doesn' seem to be working, killing off the weeak doeswn't seem to be working either - world pop'n continues to grow.

What are htey hiding in the sky do you think? and how come they aren't trying to hide it everywhere??



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by AnnunakiRageTheChosenPeop
reply to post by dplum517
 


ATS is just another site ran by the nwo to cull all the free thinkers so when the day comes, they know who to put in the FEMA camps.

As for chem trails - just look up. they are either protecting us from solar flares, obscuring the sky or an attempt to kill the weak.


Get out much?



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 07:44 PM
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Please, for all (since this thread has become NOT what the OP intended....) get a grip on reality.

Let's have a look at GLOBAL air traffic. One 24-hour period:




Improved quality version:





Now...those are just the large jets. Confined, as you can clearly see, to only a fraction of the Earth's surface area. What about the rest of the planet? Well....weather still happens, everywhere. Regardless whether any airplanes EVER fly through the area or not!


TRY to get some perspective!:



Clouds!! Who would have thought that CLOUDS form in our atmosphere?? Gee, only been happening for billions of years.....

And:




posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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Let's be logical.

If the government really wanted to pacify the population they wouldn't do it with chemtrials, most likely they would do it via water. (fluoride)
And think how quickly gasses diffuse via osmosis. It would take a gargantuan amount of chemicals to pollute even a small town, let alone an entire country. Not very cost efficient.

It just doesn't make sense...
Aliens and UFO's are more plausible.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:06 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555
Please provide verifiable data from the tests of the air samples from Chemtrails, taken by a qualified unbiased third party. Thanks so much. Otherwise it's highly speculative and in fact you for some reason are lumping into the mixture Crop Dusting and Cloud Seeding which nobody is hiding from anyone.

If I understand the Chemtrail myth, they, whoever they are, are trying to poison us all for some reason and thousands of Pilots and Crews are in on it and don't give a damn about their own families and loved ones and likely tens of thousands of people are keeping it secret and don't give a damn about their own families or loved ones.

Strangely enough, we keep living longer and longer lives each generation and we are healthier when we die, despite the Chemtrails. Any explanation?


What he said ^

If you are so convinced of chemtrails, then take a sample of the air that they are doing it in and test it....

It's a very clear cut YES or NO. This shouldn't even really be a 'conspiracy'.




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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:52 PM
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I love love love this. Thank you for making this. I hate the skeptics how can people not look up and see what they're doing? I hear reasons for it is because of `high dry atmospheric pressure`. But they don't exlplain why there not flying in a set flight path, you can see them turn the sprayers on and off. And I love when the make those 90 degree turns. If those were passenger planes the people on board would be thrown to the isles. I don't know your from but here in St. Louis we get tons of em. You don't see them every day but the days there out they make grids.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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I suspect we are being inoculated or vaccinated. To resist our enemies biological weapons and viruses. And they can't tell us because it'll freak everyone out.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:59 PM
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Uh...no...it's not because of "high dry atmospheric conditions" at all - it is because of high humidity atmospheric conditions...sheesh.....if you'er going to be paranoid at least get that much right!!



As for "these are not passenger planes".......how good is your magnification? As good as this guy? Because it sems he can get photos of apsssngerplanes leaving persitatn contrails even if yuo can't.

Or alternatively there are some pilots who get good shots like this



and this -


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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 09:01 PM
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Originally posted by phred
I suspect we are being inoculated or vaccinated. To resist our enemies biological weapons and viruses. And they can't tell us because it'll freak everyone out.


Well you shoudl be able to find the agent easily enough if it's drifting down in sufficient quantities to have any effect - I look forward to hearing what it is.



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