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Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:37 AM
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Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Transcript from Ed Schultz, he doesn't pull any punches about Walker.
From here


... The prank phone call exposed Walker and really ripped the scab off the republicans and their corporate puppet masters. Keep in mind, in the last election cycle, the Koch brothers gave $1 million to the republican governors association which funneled another $65,000 to Walker. But here's the big number, then the republican governor's association turned and spent $3.4 million attacking Walker's democratic opponent. That kind of money is big shakes to a guy like Walker who wants power, but it's really chicken feed to the Koch boys. The real story is what Governor Walker can do for energy companies like Koch industries.

(from the Walker tapes):

Fake Koch: "What we're thinking about the crowd's is, was planting some troublemakers."

Walker: "You know, the only problem with - because we thought about that - the problem - or my only gut reaction to that would be right now the lawmakers I talked to have just completely had it with them. The public is not really fond of this. The teacher's union did some polling of focus groups and found out that the public turned on them the minute they closed school down for a couple days. The guys left are largely from out of state. And I keep dismissing it in all my press conferences saying they're mostly from out of state. My only fear would be, if there was a ruckus caused, is that would scare the public into thinking maybe the governor has got to settle all these to avowed all these problems. People can protest, this is Madison, let them protest."


This is shocking. The governor of Wisconsin just admitted he considered putting troublemakers in the crowd to cause a ruckus. He thought about it. He considered it. What's that say about his character? The only thing that stopped Walker from having his people whip up trouble was a political calculation that violence may hurt him in the arena of public opinion, and he wasn't ready to do that. He wasn't concerned about hurting the 60's liberals in Madison.

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It definitely strengthens my resolve in the fact that he shows he has no character. His integrity is in question. He's not been honest with the Wisonsinites, and it shows what we've been saying the whole time, it's not about the budget, it's a fabricated budget crisis and the only thing he wants to do is bust unions. He's really the puppet of the Koch brothers.


Video of the show


And my first impression of you on a different post was accurate. You actually take Ed Schultz serious?




posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by kynaccrue
I usually don't post my opinions, but here it is.

I think from the context of the whole thing, it just seems that Walker is simply speaking that way as to avoid pissing a major conservative contributor off. It's like how a salesman would speak to a customer. He simply wants to sell his idea to a person who he think could help him achieve it. This is perhaps also why Walker did most of the speaking. He wants to prove that it is right to do this. That does not mean that Walker is for sale or is paid off, just that he would want to avoid bringing any surprises that might endanger what he wants to accomplish. Also, there are those who attribute his "thinking" about planting trouble makers to him having a flawed character. I would argue that the best way to politely change someone's mind is to first agree with them and then show them the flaws of their reasoning. This is something that not only politicians, but everyone intelligent human being should do.

like some of the other posts said, this whole thing actually restored some of my faith in politicians. Its not everyday you get someone who does exactly what he says he was going to do. Also, in the conversation Walker said he wants to keep private unions out of this whole thing. His beef is solely with public unions which make it hard for states of balance its budget. There are those who say that Walker created this deficit just to kill public unions and I think that this is false. As you all know, inflation is rising and it would make it harder for small business to stay open. The tax cut would give an edge to those businesses to keep them open. So we have here a governor who is trying to take from the glut of the public sector and give some of it back to Main st. which is think really is the correct thing to do.

I say all this despite the fact that my parents are both public sector employees and most of the time I hate republicans with a passion. If there are more politicians like Walker I might actually use my vote for a change.
edit on 24-2-2011 by kynaccrue because: Clarification

edit on 24-2-2011 by kynaccrue because: Clarify more


How quickly the liberals have forgotten the whole prank ACORN sting where they caught the ACORN worker helping to set up a prostitution biz. LOL



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


How quickly the liberals have forgotten the whole prank ACORN sting where they caught the ACORN worker helping to set up a prostitution biz. LOL


How does that relate to the topic at hand?


Are you trying to deflect?
edit on 25-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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The difference about ACRON is it wasn't high level staff - and I also believe they agreed it wasn't right.

Very different from Walker and his supporters who don't believe anything he did was wrong!



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:42 AM
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Originally posted by filosophia
-Simple, if you think unions are bad, you'd support Walker
-No, I don't think welfare should exist at all, but it does, so you might as well use it, it is your tax dollars after all, better you have it then anyone else
-despite all evidence? Like what the 40 hour work week? Minimum wage? All socialist ideals, why should I care about that?
The thread is about how Koch "owns" the Governor which clearly he doesn't.



Unions have long been a tool of communist subversion. Period. End of story.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by Aggie Man

Originally posted by Realtruth
Again I think some individuals on this thread may be confused as to what "One Party Consent" is.

One party consent means that the person being called, and recorded needs to be notified and aware of the taping.



Originally posted by Realtruth
Again I think some individuals on this thread may be confused as to what "One Party Consent" is.

One party consent means that the person being called, and recorded needs to be notified and aware of the taping.


Actually, you are the one that is misunderstanding the term "one party consent".


Federal law permits recording telephone calls and in-person conversations with the consent of at least one of the parties. See 18 U.S.C. 2511(2)(d). This is called a "one-party consent" law. Under a one-party consent law, you can record a phone call or conversation so long as you are a party to the conversation. Furthermore, if you are not a party to the conversation, a "one-party consent" law will allow you to record the conversation or phone call so long as your source consents and has full knowledge that the communication will be recorded.


You don't need the other parties consent, as you are already "one party" involved in the conversation. Otherwise, it would be called "two party consent" or "all consent".


If that is so, then what was the big issue of them doing this prankster video of the ACORN employee??? Forget already?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:44 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus



Unions have long been a tool of communist subversion. Period. End of story.


Thank you for such a concise example of the kinds of one-line posts this thread attracts to deflect from some clearly damning information for the rich controllers of Governor Walker.
edit on 25-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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The difference about ACRON is it wasn't high level staff - and I also believe they agreed it wasn't right.

Very different from Walker and his supporters who don't believe anything he did was wrong!


The difference is the Acorn video was manipulated, too.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Look at these comments which support Walkers and how they speak about Unions. These people HATE Unions. They use words like communism-thugs, ect.

So when you say it's about the money - is it really or is it about your hatred of the unions?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


If that is so, then what was the big issue of them doing this prankster video of the ACORN employee??? Forget already?


You are comparing an incident where James O’Keefe was arrested by the FBI (those liberals) for aiding and abetting a wire tap operation that violated state and federal law. He entered a politicians office and helped to install secret wire taps for a third party to listen in on.

This instance does not violate any wire tap laws, as it isnt a wire tap. it's a taped phone call, taped by one of the callers.

Not comparable at all.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:49 AM
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Originally posted by inforeal
I thought it was a joke but it's on every news site!
This apperently is a REAL story. They actually may have busted this puppet

edit on 23-2-2011 by inforeal because: (no reason given)


I hope you said the same thing about the liberal ACORN puppet!



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:50 AM
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I listened to this phone call and so far it appears to be the real deal. Why doesn't Gov. Walker take it to the next level and get rid of the public school system as we know it and have kids learn online. Think about it: no over head costs such as heating/cooling, breakfast and lunch programs, no bussing expenses, etc. Teachers could be responsible for more students in a virtual school. Parents would be held more accountable for their children and their care and the state's schools wouldn't be so much a free daycare. It seems the teachers and public schools are being targeted here and I think we need to get creative because it's apparent the system as is isn't working, at least for Wisconsin's governor Walker. Any other input?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:51 AM
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Originally posted by Daughter2
Look at these comments which support Walkers and how they speak about Unions. These people HATE Unions. They use words like communism-thugs, ect.

So when you say it's about the money - is it really or is it about your hatred of the unions?



Yep you Betcha! Communism is all about hatred of the bougeois Capitalist free market. Even the term "collective bargaining" is suggestive of the communist way.


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posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:54 AM
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Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


How quickly the liberals have forgotten the whole prank ACORN sting where they caught the ACORN worker helping to set up a prostitution biz. LOL


How does that relate to the topic at hand?


Are you trying to deflect?
edit on 25-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)



lol



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 12:58 AM
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I see so the Koch brothers can own Pipeline companies with Shell and Chevron but teachers can't get together and negotiate one contract?

Do you have a problem with franchises? They exist to gain market power by joining together. I see no difference between this and unions?



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:03 AM
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Regardless of people's opinion on Unions - how can anyone agree with Walker accepting personal gifts?

If the Union leaders called up Walker and offered him a car - I wouldn't support this - and neither would the DOL.



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus



Unions have long been a tool of communist subversion. Period. End of story.


Thank you for such a concise example of the kinds of one-line posts this thread attracts to deflect from some clearly damning information for the rich controllers of Governor Walker.
edit on 25-2-2011 by inkyminds because: (no reason given)


For your perusal and all the other libs on this thread, consider how George Soros has been shaping the agenda of the Democrat Party :
www.hyscience.com...
"Given the huge influence that the anti-free market, anti-capitalist, anti-military, anti-Israel, pro-terrorist, George Soros and the far-left liberal-progressive groups he funds have on the Democratic Party, it's easy to understand how it is that the Democratic Party and the Obama administation is so far out of touch with mainstream America."
"To gain some insight into the Soros agenda, a perspective on the massive levels of funding that Soros lavishes on the far Left, and how closely it matches what Americans have seen from Obama and the Democrats, one need only to check out Discover the Networks. "
"The President of OSI and the Soros Foundation Network is Aryeh Neier, former Director of the socialist League for Industrial Democracy.) With assets of $1.93 billion as of 2008, OSI alone donates scores of millions of dollars annually to these various groups, whose major agendas can be summarized as follows:

Promoting the view that America is institutionally an oppressive nation - promoting the election of leftist political candidates throughout the United States -- opposing virtually all post-9/11 national security measures enacted by U.S. government, particularly the Patriot Act -- depicting American military actions as unjust, unwarranted, and immoral -- promoting open borders, mass immigration, and a watering down of current immigration laws -- promoting a dramatic expansion of social welfare programs funded by ever-escalating taxes -- promoting social welfare benefits and amnesty for illegal aliens -- defending suspected anti-American terrorists and their abetters -- financing the recruitment and training of future activist leaders of the political Left -- advocating America's unilateral disarmament and/or a steep reduction in its military spending -- opposing the death penalty in all circumstances -- promoting socialized medicine in the United States -- promoting the tenets of radical environmentalism, whose ultimate goal, as writer Michael Berliner has explained, is "not clean air and clean water, [but] rather ... the demolition of technological/industrial civilization" -- bringing American foreign policy under the control of the United Nations -- promoting racial and ethnic preferences in academia and the business world alike "

www.discoverthenetworks.org...
romanticpoet.wordpress.com...
The Shadow Party: Part II

By David Horowitz and Richard Poe
FrontPageMagazine.com | Thursday, October 07, 2004

George Soros is an exacting taskmaster. In return for his money, he demands productivity. What he requires of employees and business associates in the investment world, Soros also demands from the political operatives he funds. “Mr. Soros isn’t just writing checks and watching,” notes Wall Street Journal reporter Jeanne Cummings. “He is also imposing a business model on the notoriously unruly world of politics.."
www.larouchepub.com...
Soros's New Hostile Takeover:
The Democratic Party
by Jeffrey Steinberg

[PDF version of this article]

On Dec. 20, 1998, in the midst of his murderous speculative rampage against the currencies of Malaysia, Indonesia, South Korea, and other targeted Asian nations, George Soros appeared on CBS-TV's "60 Minutes," to explain and defend his behavior. Confronted by interviewer Steve Kroft about his experiences as a youth in Hungary, under the Nazi occupation, Soros freely admitted that he posed as the "adopted godson" of an official of the Nazi-occupation government, and helped in the confiscation of Jewish properties.

"Kroft: And you watched lots of people get shipped off to the death camps.

"Soros: Right. I was 14 years old. And I would say that that's when my character was made.

"Kroft: In what way?

"Soros: That one should think ahead. One should understand and anticipate events and when one is threatened. It was a tremendous threat of evil. I mean, it was a very personal experience of evil.

"Kroft: My understanding is that you went out with this protector of yours who swore that you were his adopted godson.

"Soros: Yes. Yes.
Kroft: Went out, in fact, and helped in the confiscation of property from the Jews.

"Soros: Yes. That's right. Yes.

"Kroft: I mean that's—that sounds like an experience that would send lots of people to the psychiatric couch for many, many years. Was it difficult?

"Soros: Not—not at all. Not at all. Maybe as a child you don't—you don't see the connection. But it was—it created no—no problem at all.

"Kroft: No feeling of guilt?

"Soros: No."



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


If that is so, then what was the big issue of them doing this prankster video of the ACORN employee??? Forget already?


You are comparing an incident where James O’Keefe was arrested by the FBI (those liberals) for aiding and abetting a wire tap operation that violated state and federal law. He entered a politicians office and helped to install secret wire taps for a third party to listen in on.

This instance does not violate any wire tap laws, as it isnt a wire tap. it's a taped phone call, taped by one of the callers.

Not comparable at all.


Im comparing this recorded prank call to when the couple investigating ACORN videotaped an employee who was more than happy to help them set up a prostitution biz. Its just that simple



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:12 AM
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quote]Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by filosophia
-Simple, if you think unions are bad, you'd support Walker
-No, I don't think welfare should exist at all, but it does, so you might as well use it, it is your tax dollars after all, better you have it then anyone else
-despite all evidence? Like what the 40 hour work week? Minimum wage? All socialist ideals, why should I care about that?
The thread is about how Koch "owns" the Governor which clearly he doesn't.



When a company makes millions or even billions in profit. I think they should at least provide me with a living wage for my services.

My grandparent faught and worked hard for what have and a lot of thier sucsess was due to unions. The CEO's at the top are getting greedier by the day. They keep it up people will revolt. It won't be long till someone starts putting bullets in people like David Koch.
edit on 25-2-2011 by wantsome because: (no reason given)



posted on Feb, 25 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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Originally posted by inkyminds

Originally posted by kynaccrue


What I'm saying is that first of all, I don't think Walker is potentially ethically compromised. Second, even if he was ethically compromised, I would support him until he does not do what I want him to do. This is the most you can ask of ANY politician.


Right. So you don't mind him potentially being 'ethically compromised', because he's on your side. So ethics are less important to you than a specific political goal.


.. a state tax cut for business, may attract more business from neighboring states. Plus while you are right in that many rich people will benefit from the tax cut, the bottom line is that this will also give struggling small businesses the help they need to stay in business.


It will? Can you point me to some evidence suggesting that?



I don't think the governor should cut people's jobs and he said he isn't going to do that as long as the PUBLIC unions give up the collective bargaining rights. Because he knows that the second the state runs somewhat of a surplus, the unions are going to eat it all up.


The state ALREADY HAD a surplus, and the GOVERNOR ate it up by giving it away! To rich people!!



Sure, right now they are agreeing with cuts in pay and benefits but thats only because they know for a fact that as long as they have the collective bargaining rights, they can get it all back any time they want to.


They could? How?



Government workers already get much more than privately employed workers when they do much less.


Again, I'm going to ask for documentation of that.




So you can attribute THAT to unions running out of control.


How have these specific unions in Wisconsin 'run out of control?' Again, and I apologize for being such a stickler for facts, but I'm going to ask for some kind of reference.

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Well, I say we can worry about ethics after we dig ourselves out of the hole. The politicians will sleep with whoever to get what they want done and after all is said and done, most of them forget their original goal. I'm just looking at this realistically. Sure you can ask for ethics and there are some that looks squeaky clean, but I rather believe that they are all tainted in one way or another to avoid those "savior" types.

I understand that the state already had a surplus. But without getting rid of the glut in the public sector, as the nation slowly drowns further, it will eventually become a deficit. So would it not be better to settle things now and get rid of the glut now so the state has a way of TRULY balancing its budgets? Walker gave tax breaks to corporations like Walmart and I think it could potentially lower prices for essentials and cause more consumption. But 140 million in tax breaks isn't really much when you are talking about a whole state. Before the tax break, Wisconsin is at around 10-20 million dollars in surplus. That means for a STATE, it is really barely over the line. Now these government employees only pay a tiny fraction to their pension and healthcare so the taxpayers for Wisconsin have to fork up BILLIONS just to cover that. I'll admit that Walker's real intention was to bust public unions in the first place as he said he was going to when he was elected. Because whether or not the state is in surplus or deficit, the public union remains a problem. So Walker may or may not purposely used the 130 million dollar deficit as an excuse to bust the unions, but as I said before, the union's got to go.

transition.wisconsin.gov... On pensions

www.alternet.org...'s_fake_budget_crisis:_gave_tax_breaks_to_wal-mart_to_further_real_agenda_--_union_bus ting/ On deficit

And here is a letter from FDR that explains why public unions don't work.

www.presidency.ucsb.edu...

So yes, it is about people's freedoms and paying for the grade A pensions of public workers while slowly rotting away into oblivion is not healthy for anyone.



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