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Originally posted by nonapologetic
I have read a lot of liberals spouting off that Gov. Walker has been caught up in something; This couldn't be further from the truth. Walker didn't say anything that he hasn't said in public, interviews, and while campaigning.
Originally posted by zappafan1
Even if true, so what? Like this is new? Soros backs most Democrats who believe in his Marxist/Socialist agenda, and gave multi-millions to Obama's campaign. And Richard Trumpka, union thug and AFL/CIO leader for many years, visits Obama almost every week, and the unions OWN the Dems. So what's the point of this post?
Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst
Originally posted by sasquatch5100
I think Soros owning the White House and Democrat Policy around our country is much more news worthy! Koch is a conservative so who is surprised by what he said, even if it was him? Soros lies everyday about his intentions for us all.
Dude -- this is the 5th grader; "He did it too!" argument.
Whether or NOT Soros is a crook -- if he gives money to the Democrats, Wall Street ALSO gives money to Obama.
What we are talking about is Governor Walker -- and you hand-waving about the latest Democrat is not a "get out of jail free" card.
If you EXCUSE corruption every time, by pointing to someone else -- then you never clean up your own back yard. If you want Democrats or actual Liberals to take you seriously, than debate Walker on the merits of Walker -- not on RELATIVISM.
What is the quote we always get; If you stand for nothing than you will never stand up to anything.? -- not sure if I got it exactly right, but I guess you probably have posted it before.
Throwing Soros in prison because you all SUSPECT him of being Liberal or partisan or whatever, is not reducing corruption or solving the "phony crisis" in Wisconsin.
Originally posted by inkyminds
reply to post by kynaccrue
So your contention, in addition to not being concerned with Walker being potentially ethically compromised because you agree with him politically, is that "Unions" are the reason 'we' are in a financially difficult place?
So a Governor taking a budget SURPLUS and giving it away to rich people who will supposedly 'create jobs' (despite that approach never having worked out ever) is fiscally prudent in your eyes.
So, you think the Governor should cut people's jobs, so he can give money to rich people, so they can create jobs? Fascinating.
Originally posted by kynaccrue
What I'm saying is that first of all, I don't think Walker is potentially ethically compromised. Second, even if he was ethically compromised, I would support him until he does not do what I want him to do. This is the most you can ask of ANY politician.
.. a state tax cut for business, may attract more business from neighboring states. Plus while you are right in that many rich people will benefit from the tax cut, the bottom line is that this will also give struggling small businesses the help they need to stay in business.
I don't think the governor should cut people's jobs and he said he isn't going to do that as long as the PUBLIC unions give up the collective bargaining rights. Because he knows that the second the state runs somewhat of a surplus, the unions are going to eat it all up.
Sure, right now they are agreeing with cuts in pay and benefits but thats only because they know for a fact that as long as they have the collective bargaining rights, they can get it all back any time they want to.
Government workers already get much more than privately employed workers when they do much less.
So you can attribute THAT to unions running out of control.
Originally posted by filosophia
this seems fake to me, the Kock guy sounds extremely fake and scripted, and how can someone just call the governor's office without getting a secretary?edit on 23-2-2011 by filosophia because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lonestar24
reply to post by Bugman82
Very good write up there, Bugman. There is far too much interpreted into ths conversation by certain participants. Yes, Walker fell for an impostor,but throughout the conversation he kept to his sincere motivation and did not fall for the baits laid out before him.
At the same time he did not try to lecture Koch or tried to snub him. Lets face it, this is what people do in a civil conversation. Anyone trying to blow this up into something it isnt is either a liar, or suffers from lacking reading comprehension.
I don´t know anything on that Wisconsin issue, its not in my country and not on my continent. But guys, you´re all making a fool of yourself with your baseless accusations. Let´s just file this away as what it is, a failed smear attempt. Better luck next time.edit on 24/2/2011 by Lonestar24 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Exactly, and it's not like Walker tried to tell him how to set up a prostitution business or anything(like ACORN), and notice how all the libs are applauding this prank, while the ACORN prank was decried as some horrible thing and they tried to take the pranksters to court even. I cannot wait for them to demand the fake Koch be taken to court over this...
Originally posted by arufon
reply to post by Blackmarketeer
what really got me was how nervous Walker initially sounded talking to "Koch".
Walker was clearly subsurviant in the conversation, he knew who his boss was,
and continually tried to impress "Koch" with all the tricks he had planned.
a fabulous wakeup call to anyone who still thinks politicians represent the people