Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

People wonder why anyone would pay Rush 38 million dollars a year to talk on the radio??? Glenn Beck 18 million dollars a year?? Sean Hannity 20 million a year?? Fox news lost 90 million dollars a year during the first 5 years of operation.

Union busting, outsourcing, deregulation and tax breaks/subsidies are what they are paying for and corporate profits show it is money well spent.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


You mean "bought and sold" as opposed to Obama who is obviously owned by unions thugs and who ever else contributed 750,000,000 to his campaign that hasn'r brrn disclosed.

Here's what Walker didn't say:

HE NEVER ONCE ATTEMPTED TO BRING JOBS TO HIS STATE!!!!


Think about it - All this talk about Koch being able to bring jobs - but once they get together - no mention of this!


If a union leader took a California vacation from an employer - they would be charged with a felony.

Unions are very restricted with their finances. The Koch brothers can keep their money secret but Unions have to report every penny!

The highest earning union leaders don't bring in more than $200,000 - which is a lot of money - but NOTHING compared to the BILLIONS of dollars corporate leaders make.

reply to post by Blackmarketeer


what really got me was how nervous Walker initially sounded talking to "Koch".
Walker was clearly subsurviant in the conversation, he knew who his boss was,
and continually tried to impress "Koch" with all the tricks he had planned.

a fabulous wakeup call to anyone who still thinks politicians represent the people

does this mean i have to stop watching NOVA on PBS?

Originally posted by ~Lucidity
reply to post by Pharyax

 

But..but...he's such a saint. He even carries his lunch to work in a brown bag!

and pleaded the 5th 200 or so times in a court of law.. AND PEOPLE VOTED this arse in!?!!? It boggles the mind.

“Once you crush these (expletive), I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time.”

“All right, that would be outstanding,” Walker replied.

These are the lines that started me to pity Mr. Walker. Apparently, either Mr. Walker is clueless about political ethics, or chooses to ignore such ethics. I'm beginning to sense a man with an ego big enough for politics but not too bright. Or a lot of ego but no ethics.

Surely, Wisconsin, you deserve better. Keep him if you want, but if I were you, I'ld start a recall drive.

And, America, when you have politicians like this gov with whom the real Koch identifies with, you deserve better, too. That, or pity.

I do believe that if you look back in our country's history, many many conspiracy theories were proven to be fact by a single prank call.

This site is a cartoon of its former self. Seriously.

Originally posted by nonapologetic
I have read a lot of liberals spouting off that Gov. Walker has been caught up in something; This couldn't be further from the truth. Walker didn't say anything that he hasn't said in public, interviews, and while campaigning.

Really? He mentioned considering using infiltrators to subvert democratic protest in a campaign interview?

When?

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Madison Police Chief: Scott Walker's Koch Call 'Troubling'

Probably one of those hippie communist cops.

Also,

as a side note, I'm pretty sure anyone using the phrase 'union thugs' to describe these people here:

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lose all semblance of credibility.

Originally posted by zappafan1
Even if true, so what? Like this is new? Soros backs most Democrats who believe in his Marxist/Socialist agenda, and gave multi-millions to Obama's campaign. And Richard Trumpka, union thug and AFL/CIO leader for many years, visits Obama almost every week, and the unions OWN the Dems. So what's the point of this post?

Fascinating. If I take your argument the right way, you're saying that one should not be concerned with a politician kowtowing to a major contributor because, in your opinion, other politicians are guilty of it as well?

The transgressions of the politicians you mention above somehow nullify the potential conflict of interest apparent in Walker's conversation

That seems like a troubling perspective. Are you unconcerned with ALL political malfeasance, or only the malfeasance of specific politicians?

Originally posted by VitriolAndAngst

Originally posted by sasquatch5100
I think Soros owning the White House and Democrat Policy around our country is much more news worthy! Koch is a conservative so who is surprised by what he said, even if it was him? Soros lies everyday about his intentions for us all.

Dude -- this is the 5th grader; "He did it too!" argument.

Whether or NOT Soros is a crook -- if he gives money to the Democrats, Wall Street ALSO gives money to Obama.

What we are talking about is Governor Walker -- and you hand-waving about the latest Democrat is not a "get out of jail free" card.

If you EXCUSE corruption every time, by pointing to someone else -- then you never clean up your own back yard. If you want Democrats or actual Liberals to take you seriously, than debate Walker on the merits of Walker -- not on RELATIVISM.

What is the quote we always get; If you stand for nothing than you will never stand up to anything.? -- not sure if I got it exactly right, but I guess you probably have posted it before.

Throwing Soros in prison because you all SUSPECT him of being Liberal or partisan or whatever, is not reducing corruption or solving the "phony crisis" in Wisconsin.

Except if you want to see it as corruption, you will see it everywhere. You say that it's a phony crisis but if you look at the big picture, the current trend will not continue to give surpluses to Wisconsin. So better they try a tax cut now to boost business and maybe draw opportunities from other states than to wait until the depression gets worse and theres nothing left to cut. Not to mention until Walker does something I don't like politically, I'm going to support what hes doing. He can be as corrupt as they come but I don't expect there to be a squeaky clean politician. At least Walker believes what hes doing is the right thing. That for me is as good as it's ever going to get. The PUBLIC unions need to be busted. Collective bargaining rights is a scary thing. The government already has trouble letting people go under normal circumstances. Only when the deficit grows to a certain point can they even consider doing away with the glut of the system. Yes I know that corporations and Wall st. are EVIL, and they did cause the economic depression. But don't get caught in the duality in thinking that just because corporations are evil, unions of the people aren't. We gotta fix what we can and Walker's policies does that. Unions collectively bargained many states to bankruptcy. There were teachers protesting on budget cuts and wants to state to raise taxes to continue to pay for their benefits. The bottom line is, no one cares about anyone else. Wall st. don't care about you, and Main st. don't care about you either. Everyone just want their pot of gold and they will do anything to get it.

FOX News, meanwhile, attacks the man:

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Lib Who Prank Called Gov Walker Says 'f*** the Troops'

reply to post by kynaccrue


So your contention, in addition to not being concerned with Walker being potentially ethically compromised because you agree with him politically, is that "Unions" are the reason 'we' are in a financially difficult place?

So a Governor taking a budget SURPLUS and giving it away to rich people who will supposedly 'create jobs' (despite that approach never having worked out ever) is fiscally prudent in your eyes.

So, you think the Governor should cut people's jobs, so he can give money to rich people, so they can create jobs? Fascinating.

Originally posted by inkyminds
reply to post by kynaccrue

 

So your contention, in addition to not being concerned with Walker being potentially ethically compromised because you agree with him politically, is that "Unions" are the reason 'we' are in a financially difficult place?

So a Governor taking a budget SURPLUS and giving it away to rich people who will supposedly 'create jobs' (despite that approach never having worked out ever) is fiscally prudent in your eyes.

So, you think the Governor should cut people's jobs, so he can give money to rich people, so they can create jobs? Fascinating.

What I'm saying is that first of all, I don't think Walker is potentially ethically compromised. Second, even if he was ethically compromised, I would support him until he does not do what I want him to do. This is the most you can ask of ANY politician.

As I said in my post, I know for a fact the most of the damage is caused by Wall St. and the banks. If you look at the current trend, things are only going to get worse. Now the federal government tax cuts probably would not benefit the economy. But a state tax cut for business, may attract more business from neighboring states. Plus while you are right in that many rich people will benefit from the tax cut, the bottom line is that this will also give struggling small businesses the help they need to stay in business.

I don't think the governor should cut people's jobs and he said he isn't going to do that as long as the PUBLIC unions give up the collective bargaining rights. Because he knows that the second the state runs somewhat of a surplus, the unions are going to eat it all up. Sure, right now they are agreeing with cuts in pay and benefits but thats only because they know for a fact that as long as they have the collective bargaining rights, they can get it all back any time they want to.

Government workers already get much more than privately employed workers when they do much less. So you can attribute THAT to unions running out of control. I'm all for big unions in PRIVATE corporations, but in government its another story all together.

Originally posted by kynaccrue


What I'm saying is that first of all, I don't think Walker is potentially ethically compromised. Second, even if he was ethically compromised, I would support him until he does not do what I want him to do. This is the most you can ask of ANY politician.

Right. So you don't mind him potentially being 'ethically compromised', because he's on your side. So ethics are less important to you than a specific political goal.

.. a state tax cut for business, may attract more business from neighboring states. Plus while you are right in that many rich people will benefit from the tax cut, the bottom line is that this will also give struggling small businesses the help they need to stay in business.

It will? Can you point me to some evidence suggesting that?

I don't think the governor should cut people's jobs and he said he isn't going to do that as long as the PUBLIC unions give up the collective bargaining rights. Because he knows that the second the state runs somewhat of a surplus, the unions are going to eat it all up.

The state ALREADY HAD a surplus, and the GOVERNOR ate it up by giving it away! To rich people!!

Sure, right now they are agreeing with cuts in pay and benefits but thats only because they know for a fact that as long as they have the collective bargaining rights, they can get it all back any time they want to.

They could? How?

Government workers already get much more than privately employed workers when they do much less.

Again, I'm going to ask for documentation of that.

So you can attribute THAT to unions running out of control.

How have these specific unions in Wisconsin 'run out of control?' Again, and I apologize for being such a stickler for facts, but I'm going to ask for some kind of reference.

Originally posted by filosophia
this seems fake to me, the Kock guy sounds extremely fake and scripted, and how can someone just call the governor's office without getting a secretary?

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Well, the State is broke. Mebbe he can't afford a secretary. His predecessor left a huge deficit for him.

Originally posted by Lonestar24
reply to post by Bugman82

 

Very good write up there, Bugman. There is far too much interpreted into ths conversation by certain participants. Yes, Walker fell for an impostor,but throughout the conversation he kept to his sincere motivation and did not fall for the baits laid out before him.

At the same time he did not try to lecture Koch or tried to snub him. Lets face it, this is what people do in a civil conversation. Anyone trying to blow this up into something it isnt is either a liar, or suffers from lacking reading comprehension.

I don´t know anything on that Wisconsin issue, its not in my country and not on my continent. But guys, you´re all making a fool of yourself with your baseless accusations. Let´s just file this away as what it is, a failed smear attempt. Better luck next time.

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Exactly, and it's not like Walker tried to tell him how to set up a prostitution business or anything(like ACORN), and notice how all the libs are applauding this prank, while the ACORN prank was decried as some horrible thing and they tried to take the pranksters to court even. I cannot wait for them to demand the fake Koch be taken to court over this...

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus


Exactly, and it's not like Walker tried to tell him how to set up a prostitution business or anything(like ACORN), and notice how all the libs are applauding this prank, while the ACORN prank was decried as some horrible thing and they tried to take the pranksters to court even. I cannot wait for them to demand the fake Koch be taken to court over this...

You are comparing an incident where James O’Keefe was arrested by the FBI (those liberals) for aiding and abetting a wire tap operation that violated state and federal law. He entered a politicians office and helped to install secret wire taps for a third party to listen in on.

This instance does not violate any wire tap laws, as it isnt a wire tap. it's a taped phone call, taped by one of the callers.

Not comparable at all.


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Secondly,

Originally posted by arufon
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

 

what really got me was how nervous Walker initially sounded talking to "Koch".
Walker was clearly subsurviant in the conversation, he knew who his boss was,
and continually tried to impress "Koch" with all the tricks he had planned.

a fabulous wakeup call to anyone who still thinks politicians represent the people

I'm sure you are just as nervous talking to your Boss Soros!