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Prank call proves billionaire David Koch owns Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker and the GOP

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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Very good write up there, Bugman. There is far too much interpreted into ths conversation by certain participants. Yes, Walker fell for an impostor,but throughout the conversation he kept to his sincere motivation and did not fall for the baits laid out before him.

At the same time he did not try to lecture Koch or tried to snub him. Lets face it, this is what people do in a civil conversation. Anyone trying to blow this up into something it isnt is either a liar, or suffers from lacking reading comprehension.

I don´t know anything on that Wisconsin issue, its not in my country and not on my continent. But guys, you´re all making a fool of yourself with your baseless accusations. Let´s just file this away as what it is, a failed smear attempt. Better luck next time.
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Why would you assume that it would be okay from the left either? See this is exactly my freaking POINT here. NONE of them should be doing this. You're just attempting to excuse his behavior by saying they all do it? Please.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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I usually don't post my opinions, but here it is.

I think from the context of the whole thing, it just seems that Walker is simply speaking that way as to avoid pissing a major conservative contributor off. It's like how a salesman would speak to a customer. He simply wants to sell his idea to a person who he think could help him achieve it. This is perhaps also why Walker did most of the speaking. He wants to prove that it is right to do this. That does not mean that Walker is for sale or is paid off, just that he would want to avoid bringing any surprises that might endanger what he wants to accomplish. Also, there are those who attribute his "thinking" about planting trouble makers to him having a flawed character. I would argue that the best way to politely change someone's mind is to first agree with them and then show them the flaws of their reasoning. This is something that not only politicians, but everyone intelligent human being should do.

like some of the other posts said, this whole thing actually restored some of my faith in politicians. Its not everyday you get someone who does exactly what he says he was going to do. Also, in the conversation Walker said he wants to keep private unions out of this whole thing. His beef is solely with public unions which make it hard for states of balance its budget. There are those who say that Walker created this deficit just to kill public unions and I think that this is false. As you all know, inflation is rising and it would make it harder for small business to stay open. The tax cut would give an edge to those businesses to keep them open. So we have here a governor who is trying to take from the glut of the public sector and give some of it back to Main st. which is think really is the correct thing to do.

I say all this despite the fact that my parents are both public sector employees and most of the time I hate republicans with a passion. If there are more politicians like Walker I might actually use my vote for a change.
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:11 AM
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How does anyone know that this is legitimate? Are we going under the assumption that this is an actual conversation with Walker?

Don't get me wrong, I have a strong "dislike" for ALL politicians. However, this could just be more far left propaganda to ensure some more rebel rousing.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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Two words: Agents provocateurs...

The mere fact that he admits contemplating it and that his reasoning for not doing it after all was the possibility that there would be blowback against his office for not keeping it under control, not the broken business windows and hurt innocent people that might come out of it.

That on its own is enough for me.

However, add in the fact that he is speaking for THIRTY minutes with a billionaire who basically bought him his election when he can't do anything esle to communicate or come to the table with all parties concerned is mind-boggling.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:19 AM
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Donna, he himself...Scott, that is, admitted he was the "Scott" on the tape.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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God, what a scum bag. They ONLY thing that would have been AWESOME would be,
at the end of the call, the guy yells "Baba Booey, Baba Booey! Howard Stern's Penis!!!" George Takei has bed bugs!!!!" LOL!!!

They need to begin a massive protest in Florida now too. This "Scott' Guy used to be head of State Farm, and now State farm wants to increase Florida home insurers rates FORTY PERCENT!!!!!!! And 'Wind Damage" has been removed from overall coverage. So if you have State Farm, make sure you get that additional wind damage coverage, because that is the #1 thing that damages homes in Florida.

Damn greedy people. Scott is dirty. I get a REALLY bad vibe off this man. He's shady as hell. Mark my words, he'll be disposed for some scandal or under the table dealings...



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 08:30 AM
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But..but...he's such a saint. He even carries his lunch to work in a brown bag!



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 09:42 AM
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Well then that makes it different.
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 09:57 AM
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Even if true, so what? Like this is new? Soros backs most Democrats who believe in his Marxist/Socialist agenda, and gave multi-millions to Obama's campaign. And Richard Trumpka, union thug and AFL/CIO leader for many years, visits Obama almost every week, and the unions OWN the Dems. So what's the point of this post?



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 09:58 AM
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I am absolutely confounded and a bit agitated at all of the people in this thread who are SCREAMING FAKE. This isn't an effing UFO. This story is splattered across all major news outlets, and has been since yesterday.

Really? Scream FAKE without even taking a short GLANCE at linked and sourced documents, let alone doing a little searching for yourself? That's just sick. No one would be screaming FAKE if they took two minutes to read.

Don't bother posting if emotional conjecture is all you have to contribute. Really. You're just causing the conversation to lag, and it's disrespectful to the people that actually pay attention to what's going on.

O.o
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 11:33 AM
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It was even on the Daily Show last night



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 11:44 AM
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Originally posted by ~Lucidity
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It was even on the Daily Show last night

Please, everyone knows the Daily Show is liberal propaganda perpetuated by George Soros to trick the liberal, unwashed masses into thinking John Stewart is funny. Anyone thinking the Daily Show is anything other than the above is, well, an liberal, unwashed Soronian with a clearly socialist agenda to take away my Medicare benefits! DON"T TREAD ON ME, YO!



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:06 PM
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Yeah, whatever.I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not because you left out the words socialist and commie, but it was pretty funny, and so was the Rumsfeld interview.



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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Thats great and all, but when your source has an article at the bottom titled "Why using live ammunition on Wisconsin protesters would be bad for the environment" then I kind of have to take the info with a grain on salt.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Thats pretty much Walkers reasoning behind this. He's trying to bust the unions so they can't back the Dems. A really underhanded ploy to be quite honest.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:38 PM
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Nor much different than using gerrymandering to remove your political opponents. "Can't beat them? Legislate them away".

Just another tactic used by tryants.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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Originally posted by Sphota
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Two words: Agents provocateurs...

The mere fact that he admits contemplating it and that his reasoning for not doing it after all was the possibility that there would be blowback against his office for not keeping it under control, not the broken business windows and hurt innocent people that might come out of it.

That on its own is enough for me.


Please don´t act that naive, it hurts the eyes. First, what he says in this call may as well be a lie to placate a big supporter.

Second, of COURSE the question of whether to infiltrate the opposition will present itself. Doesnt mean they are considered earnestly. Third, Just because he gives one reasoning doesnt mean does not have any other concerns. Again, context is important. If he´d launched into an ethical diatribe snubbing his conversation partner in the process, that would not have helped him one bit. This is called tactics in conversation.


However, add in the fact that he is speaking for THIRTY minutes with a billionaire who basically bought him his election when he can't do anything esle to communicate or come to the table with all parties concerned is mind-boggling.


Please tell me ONE reason, ethical, legal, moral or whatever, why he should not speak (for 20 minutes, actually) with one of his apparently staunchest AND most powerful supporters.

Again, I have no horse in this race, it desnt affect me, but this is getting ridiculous and is against the "deny ignorance" idea.



posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Planting people in the crowds could have caused deaths - in addition to framing innocent people. Sleazy, sleazy....

Any half-way decent person would have simply said - no - please don't do that - it would be dangerous.

And while I agree with you he might have been trying not to piss-off a large donor. If Walker doesn't have the guts to stand-up to a donor when they are suggesting something which could kill a person - what is this guy going to do when it comes to laws?
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posted on Feb, 24 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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Originally posted by Chickensalad
Thats great and all, but when your source has an article at the bottom titled "Why using live ammunition on Wisconsin protesters would be bad for the environment" then I kind of have to take the info with a grain on salt.


Why did you post that illogical tidbit on page 10 of this thread? All it does is display your ignorance or inability or unwillingness to comprehend what you read. Or did you fast forward from the OP to this page of the thread without reading anything in between? Multiple posts have clearly shown that Walker's office has itself acknowledged the authenticity of the interview. Too many grains of salt make your brain bloat with fluid! Perhaps that's your problem.

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