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Star/flag for a well presented theory.
Well, I guess it's possible. But highly unlikely, many people would consider it the pinnacle of blasphemy...but unfriendly aliens are a whole different story, they might see it more as an experiment. And if the Reptilians are actually involved, it makes perfect sense. From what I've learnt, they basically have no soul so to speak. No morality, ethics or empathy at all. Also worth noting, is that according to the Terra Papers, the Reptilians are involved in illicit activity such as drug trading (using Earths resources & selling to ET's) - but why stop there, maybe the sex business is thriving too? That really is a disturbing thought, but I don't doubt the possibility.
As a direct example, would humans attempt to breed more "desirable" chimpanzees for recreational sex?
Originally posted by WhizPhiz
Many here should already understand there are two main things that motivate humans to do anything - pleasure/happiness and pain/suffering. One might say these two things are essence of life. Without any pleasure, life would be like a living hell, but without any pain the true value of pleasure can never be truly appreciated. Nearly everything we do is motivated by a reward of pleasure, and thus happiness. And sex is definitely one of the most pleasure filled acts a human could partake in, a moment where two (or more ) beings can share moments of love and ecstasy, some say we are the closest to true "oneness" during sex.
Well, they would be selling things and conducting illegal schemes to gain unfair wealth and power within the Galaxy. The Terra Papers claim this special drug they produce has made them extremely wealthy, and I suspect using the Human species as sex slaves for other species might also have huge potential profit. Obviously it all requires some leaps of logic, but the dots do connect.
why would they be selling anything and be into the "sex business"??
I first saw Christine Kennedy in 1992. A woman of twenty-nine with three children, she
had had a lifetime of unusual experiences, "dreams," and episodes. As a young girl, she
had used alcohol to block out her "night terrors." She had been in recovery and sober for
a number of years before she saw me, and she continued to go to recovery meetings.
Christine often woke up with bruises on her body. When she was six years old, she woke
up and "knew" about sexual intercourse. She had seen UFOs; she had seen beings in her
room. When she was pregnant with her first child, she remembered arguing with
someone that the baby was "hers" and not "theirs." She had read an article about me in
OMNI magazine and sought me out.
I met Kathleen Morrison when she sat in on my "UFOs and American Society" course at
Temple University. She had returned to college after a long absence to receive her
doctorate. As the course material turned toward the abduction phenomenon, she became
uncomfortable and could no longer attend my class. She told me that a few years earlier
she gone to a play that contained a scene in which an actor seemed to be floating in air.
The scene triggered vague memories that caused her to panic, and she became so
frightened that she had to escape to the lobby. There she hung on to a banister to steady
herself while hyperventilating with raw fear. We eventually had twenty-six sessions
together, during which she learned the reason for her fear response as she became aware
of the many alien intrusions into her life. Despite her marriage of twenty years, she has
not told her husband, fearing that the sexual aspects of the abductions would be too
difficult for him to handle.
As the daughter of a clergyman, Michelle Peters thought that some of her experiences
were religious in nature. Like Terry, she copes with her memories by writing about them
and is the author of an unpublished novel. Possessed of a charming, self-deprecating
sense of humor, she never felt victimized by the phenomenon. Like Pam Martin, she had
a strong sense that she was being visited by a "guardian angel." She thought that the
visitations had stopped when she married at age twenty in 1982. But when she was thirtytwo,
she woke up in the middle of the night to see bright blue lights coming into her
house from the outside. She tried to wake her husband but could not. She walked into the
living room and looked out the window, but the light was too bright to make out details.
The next thing she knew, she was awake the next morning feeling sick; her nightgown
was off, and her robe was on backward. This frightening event compelled her to find the
origin of her experiences.
Jack Thernstrom was a graduate student studying for his Ph.D. in physics at an Ivy
League university. He came to me to examine puzzling events in his life, some of which
he had at first interpreted to be of a religious nature. He also had confusing and disturbing
memories of being in the basement and seeing a small being "coming out of a radio," of
"snakes" following him, and of being "molested" in the woods. His hypnotic sessions
were difficult. He would clench his teeth, tighten his muscles, and literally shake
violently with anxiety during each session. After ten sessions he suddenly felt strongly
that he should not be telling me about his experiences because it was a violation of some
sort. He discontinued hypnosis, although he still comes to my support group meetings.
Yes, indeed some people will want sex with aliens, and some of the cases in my opening post showed exactly that. However the conspiracy here is aliens breeding us for sex and then having sex with us, without our consent. And in the worste case scenario certain alien species that are engineering us could be even making profit from this whole scheme by using us as sex tools for other species. And they probably care more about the perfect physical build rather than their personality, because their minds can easily be influenced.
Very well laid out and thought out thread, so I will refrain from all of the funny things I wanted to say, and instead I will just ask, why rape? There are surely plenty of men and women that would welcome alien sex or unconventional sex of any type. If this does happen, it must be quite rare, so how do they pic these rare individuals that are then traumatized by it? If we are engineered for sex, then why not pick the most promiscuous and most adventurous among us to use for sex?
Well in the book I'm reading now he goes into great detail about false memories and suppressed memories. He has found alien abductions covered up as sexual abuse, and in rare circumstances, sexual abuse is covered up with false memories of an alien abduction. He has several very effective methods for filtering out false abduction memories - the first indicator of a real abduction memory is that they have recent memories and childhood memories of being abducted, something not typical of a false memory. The biggest tell though, is what the craft looks like and what the aliens do. He says with any genuine case there are multiple factors that all abductees will have in common, and he's had sessions with people only days after the event actually took place. Though it doesn't actually seem like he thinks the aliens are sexually abusing them at this stage, but I'm still near the beginning of the book.
I am thinking it is more likely that there were rapes and buried memories and odd lights and sounds, but they are probably all human in nature. Our mind will do some amazing things to protect our psyches, so if someone is raped by a relative, or even by a stranger, then perhaps the mind builds a story around it to alleviate guilt or protect a loved perpetrator like a father or mother.
However the conspiracy here is aliens breeding us for sex and then having sex with us, without our consent. And in the worste case scenario certain alien species that are engineering us could be even making profit from this whole scheme by using us as sex tools for other species. And they probably care more about the perfect physical build rather than their personality, because their minds can easily be influenced.
I'm not saying having sex with aliens is a problem, I'm saying abducting us and sexually abusing us without consent is the problem (if happening).
1. If we are engineered for sex, why would it be an issue if we are then used for that purpose? A race horse wants to run you know. And, why would it leave emotional scarring? It seems it should be healthy if it fulfills a purpose intended for us.
Well, those are all the people who come forward about their abductions. My guess is they weren't "alien raped" or they just don't remember it. Also, if it extends to sex slave rings my guess many of the people literally abducted (kidnapped), the ones that disappear, wont ever get to tell their story.
2. From what I have seen they do not normally take the most physically perfect specimans, in fact it is usually the opposite. I don't know what turns on an alien, but it seems that if we were engineered for this purpose, then our ingrained physical attractions would coincide with theirs, and so our taste should be similar to their taste, but the abduction cases don't support this.
It seems they can manipulate our minds very easily, so that seems completely unnecessary. We probably do welcome it at the time. But it's still "alien rape" if you're brainwashed, you can't really give legitimate consent.
3. Along the same lines as #2, why couldn't they engineer us to be highly attracted to the body type of a gray or a reptilian? Why couldn't they engineer us to long for an abduction and welcome it when it happened?
I'm not saying you're wrong there. They probably do try to pick the most willing people during random abductions, but as I said I doubt your state of mind really makes the slightest difference to them (unless of course you're super enlightened with the ability to resist their mind powers).
4. I still say there are plenty of people, like me, that are fine physical specimans, have the mental capacity to and desire to deal with something like this without suffering any emotional damage, and have the desire to actually enjoy it, so why would they target and abduct others with greater risk of being exposed instead of a willing participant?
I'll let the doc speak for himself:
Also, since the whole phenomenon is unproven, how would a doctor or researcher in this field be able to decide between "real" abductions and repressed memories? We have no proof that there is any such thing as a real abduction, just commonalities of experiences, but those can be explained by all of us having similar mental defense mechanisms. Even if all abductees describe a similar experience, without physical evidence, it could just be a remnant of a mental process that all humans go through in a similar manner.
False Memory Syndrome
Critics of the abduction phenomenon charge that abductees, often with the
encouragement of researchers, unknowingly concoct abduction fantasies. That people can
have false memories is beyond doubt. Given certain circumstances, they can, for
example, invent complex accounts of sexual and physical abuse. The False Memory
Syndrome Foundation in Philadelphia is filled with members who have been unfairly
accused of sexual abuse.
False memories of abuse occur when people remember events, usually as children, that
did not happen. Nevertheless, the details the victims relate can be extraordinary. They
relive their experiences with the emotional impact of real events. Some remember Satanic
cults that terrorized them and even killed babies in human sacrifice rituals. When the
"victims" are confronted with facts (investigators have not found dead babies; no babies
were reported missing at the time and place of the ritual abuse cases), they angrily
provide explanations—such as that the mothers themselves were Satanists who gave up
their babies for sacrificial purposes and did not report them missing. People can convey
false memories with such conviction and sincerity that they have fooled many
investigators. Uncovering false memories of sexual abuse can also lead to major
emotional upheavals in people's lives. Families are torn apart, siblings are estranged,
lawsuits are instituted, innocent people are unjustly accused and even jailed.
Uncovering false memories is usually facilitated by a therapist who is convinced that a
client has been sexually abused (or whatever abuse the false memory recounts), even
though the client has no memory of it. Through insistent persuasion, the therapist
inculcates the idea into his client that all his emotional problems stem from the repression
of the memory of some earlier trauma. The therapist might tell the client that if he thinks
hard enough, he will remember the traumatic event. Healing can only begin, the therapist
says, after the memories begin to flow. Not remembering the trauma means that the
victim is in denial, and denial becomes further "proof" of the abuse. Caught in this loop,
the victim of an earnest but misguided therapist finds it difficult to break out. Eventually,
as in the widely publicized case of Paul Ingram and his daughters, the subject
"remembers" the abuse.3
There are expert investigators of false memory syndrome, who have had extensive
experience with allegations of sexual abuse and are able to detect false memories.
However, they have begun to extend their expertise to areas in which, unfortunately, they
are not expert. The abduction phenomenon has become an irresistible target.
For example, psychologist and hypnosis specialist Michael Yapko writes, in Suggestions
of Abuse, that the abduction phenomenon is simply a matter of "the phenomenon of
human suggestibility," which causes him "irritation and disbelief."4 Psychologist and
memory expert Elizabeth Loftus, in her book The Myth of Repressed Memory, treats
abductions as a form of irrationality engaged in by otherwise "sane and intelligent"
people.5 She cites psychologist Michael Nash's assertions that he "successfully treated" a
man who claimed that he had a sperm sample taken from him during an abduction. Using
hypnosis and other therapeutic techniques, Nash calmed the man and helped him return to
his normal routine, but, Nash laments, "He walked out of my office as utterly convinced
that he had been abducted as when he had walked in." Loftus agrees with Nash that the
power of this man's false memories enabled him to continue to believe his ridiculous
Loftus and Nash, along with other critics, are incorrect. Neither they nor any other critics
have ever presented evidence that abduction accounts are the products of false memory
syndrome (or, for that matter, of any causative factor other than what the abductees have
experienced). The reason they have not presented this evidence is that they do not
understand the abduction phenomenon. If they did, they would realize that abduction
accounts differ from false memory syndrome in five significant areas.
1. In contrast to victims of false memory syndrome, abductees do not recount only
childhood experiences. They do, of course, recall abduction events during
childhood, because the abduction phenomenon begins in childhood, but they also
recall abduction events as adults. In fact, many abduction accounts, unlike false
memory accounts, are of very recent events. Of the last 450 abductions that I have
investigated, nearly 30 percent happened within the previous thirty days and over
50 percent had occurred within the past year. I have also investigated abduction
events that were reported to me only a few hours, or even a few minutes, after
they took place.7
In 1991, for example, Jason Howard, a schoolteacher, was on his way to my
house for an abductee support group meeting. He put on his shoes, which he
keeps by the front door. It is the last thing he always does before he leaves his
house. Suddenly it was four hours later and Jason was on his bed in his bedroom
upstairs. He called me immediately, explaining that he vaguely remembered
putting on his shoes and then lying on the couch. When I conducted a hypnotic
session on this event, Jason remembered putting on one shoe and then feeling an
irresistible urge to lie on the couch. He recalled that small beings appeared in his
living room and floated him directly up through the ceiling into a waiting UFO. A
series of procedures followed, including sperm sampling and mental envisioning
sequences. The aliens returned him to his house, but instead of putting him on the
couch, where he was at the beginning of the abduction, they put him on his bed in
his upstairs bedroom. When he came to consciousness, he realized that something
had happened, and he called me. The immediate reporting of this event does not
fit the description of false memory syndrome.
2. In contrast to victims of false memory syndrome, abductees have indirect
corroboration of events. For example, I was on the phone with Kay Summers,
whose abduction experiences began while we were talking. She described a
roaring noise sometimes associated with the beginning of an abduction, and I
could hear this noise over the phone. Hypnosis later revealed that soon after she
hung up the phone, she was abducted. False memories do not take shape
simultaneously with the occurrence of actual events during which a researcher is
an indirect corroborator.
3. In contrast to victims of false memory syndrome, abductees often remember
events without the aid of a therapist. They can remember events that happened to
them at .specific times in their lives. They have always known that the event
happened, and they do not need a therapist to reinforce their memories.
4. In contrast to victims of false memory syndrome, abductees are physically
missing during the event. The abductee is not where he is supposed to be; people
who search for him cannot find him. The abductee is usually aware that there is a
gap of two or three hours that neither he nor anyone else can account for. Such
physical corrobo-ration does not exist in false memory.
5. In contrast to victims of false memory syndrome, abductees can provide
independent confirmation of the abduction. Approximately 20 percent of
abductions include two or more people who see each other during the abduction
event. They sometimes independently report this to the investigator.
In addition, it is important to note that unlike victims of false memory syndrome,
abductees do not usually experience disintegration of their personal lives after they
become aware of their situation. In fact, in many ways the opposite takes place. When
abductees undergo competent hypnosis and understand the nature of their memories, they
often begin to take intellectual and emotional control over these memories. They feel
more confident as they realize that their supposedly inappropriate thoughts and fears over
the years (for example, fear of going into the bedroom at night, thoughts about lying on a
table in a strange room surrounded by creatures, being unduly frightened of physicians)
were appropriate reactions to a powerful, but unknown, stimulus. By remembering the
events, abductees seize control of the fears that have plagued them for years and get their
lives back in order, even though they know that the abduction phenomenon will not
cease. Knowledge of the abduction phenomenon helps them to lead more "integrated"
lives, rather than having the powerfully disintegrating effects so common with victims of
false memory syndrome.
All competent researchers quickly learn that memory is unreliable. It is not unusual for a
person to remember details of a "normal" traumatic event inaccurately. Researchers have
shown that they can make people remember something that never happened. A casual,
but calculated, discussion of an event with a person can instill "memories" in him that
have no basis in reality. Through the passage of time, memory also degrades, events
blend into one another, and fantasy intrudes upon reality.
I was extremely fortunate to have encountered unreliable memory the very first time I
conducted a hypnotic regression session. Melissa Bucknell, a twenty-seven-year-old real
estate management employee, and I agreed before the session to investigate an incident
that had occurred when she was six years old. She began by describing playing in a field
with a friend of hers. She bent over to look at a butterfly, froze in that position, and then
found herself being lifted into a hovering UFO. Strange-looking beings removed her
clothes and placed her on a table. They conducted a physical examination and, to her
embarrassment, did a gynecological procedure as well.
After the examination, a more human-looking alien, whom she called Sanda, led her into
a hallway where she met a small alien. Melissa was required to touch the small alien's
. and immediately felt love, warmth, and affection emanating from him. Sanda then
took her into another room in which a council of several aliens sat around a table. The
aliens discussed how bright, strong, and good Melissa was and said she would have the
same traits as an adult. After that she was led down a hallway, her clothes were put back
on, and she was taken to the field where she had been before.
Later that evening, I listened to the audio tape that I had made of the session. To my
horror, I discovered that Melissa had spoken too softly to be picked up by my tape
recorder's condenser microphone. The tape had almost nothing on it. I continued to work
with Melissa, and three months after our first session, I suggested that we revisit our
initial abduction regression, explaining that I had had a problem with the tape recorder.
This time Melissa was less sure about what had happened. She described floating up into
the UFO. She remembered the gynecological portion of her examination, which she once
again was embarrassed to relate. She talked about how the beings lifted her up off the
table, redressed her, and took her back to the field. But to my surprise, she did not relate
the hallway encounter with the small gray alien, during which she was required to touch
his . and feel his love. The meeting in which the aliens sat around a table and
discussed her development was also absent from her new account.
I was perplexed. The first time Melissa had told me about the small alien with great
conviction and emotion. Now when I asked her about the encounter, she was not sure that
it had ever happened. I then questioned her about the council meeting with the aliens.
Melissa thought for a second and said that perhaps this had happened to another abductee
with whom she had been friends. She was pretty sure that it had not happened to her.
This experience taught me an invaluable lesson because I realized that, in all sincerity
and honesty, abductees might sometimes remember things that were not true. I resolved
to work out a strict methodology to ensure vigilance about false memories. As my
research progressed and an abductee reported something I had never heard before, I
would wait for confirmation by another abductee unaware of the testimony. I carefully
questioned every inconsistency, gap, or logical leap. I worked for a complete chronology
and tried to obtain a second-by-second recounting of each abduction event, with no skips,
no gaps, and no omissions.
I never received, nor did I ever hear of, another report of an abductee who had been
required to touch an alien's . and receive loving emotions. I have heard a few reports
of aliens sitting behind a "desk" and talking to the abductee, but the circumstances were
quite different from Melissa's account. Also, Melissa would never, in our more than thirty
abduction sessions, recall a similar event. All this suggested that she might have
unconsciously absorbed a memory fragment from her abductee friend and been confused
about other details.
Melissa had done me a tremendous favor. She had taught me the dangers of hypnotically
recalled testimony. It was a lesson I was grateful to learn, and one that all abduction
hypnotists and researchers have to learn.
So I will ask now, if you've had a sexual encounter with aliens (negative or not), please think about contributing to this thread.
Greys seem to be a negative species that abduct people without hesitation, but I doubt they can reproduce in a traditional manner and probably don't care about recreational pleasures, that's if they are even biological beings and not just a machine.
If Ancient Alien theory is correct, and if Reptilians and other alien species have been around for so long, one must ask what their ultimate agenda is, what do they want with us?
Contacting an abduction researcher like me is an act of bravery. People who suspect that
something unusual is happening to them begin their letters with plaintive phrases: "I
know this sounds crazy, but..." or "I know you'll laugh when you read this," or "I've
written this letter a hundred times in my mind." They desperately want someone to
believe them, but they know they are telling an inherently unbelievable story and opening
themselves up to more ridicule. Most abductees come to me with the basic question,
"What has been happening to me?"
An experienced and competent hypnotist tests the suggestibility of people who recall
abduction accounts. By asking purposefully misleading questions, he can easily tell
whether the subject can be led. For example, in the first hypnotic session, I often ask if a
subject can see the "flat, broad" chins of the aliens. I ask if a subject can see the corners
of the ceiling; I ask if the aliens are fat. The answer to these questions should be "no"
according to all the evidence we have obtained. If the answer is "yes," I allow for the
suggestibility of the subject when I evaluate the truthfulness and accuracy of the account.
Researcher John Carpenter of Springfield, Missouri, has fashioned this line of
questioning into something of a science. He has developed a list of misleading
questions—some obvious and some subtle—that are calculated to place wrong images
into abductees' minds. In the first hypnotic session, he poses these questions to the new
subject, who almost never answers "yes"; most abductees refuse to be led and nearly
always answer misleading questions negatively, directly contradicting or correcting the