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Abortion, Genocide, what’s THE difference?!?!?!?!?.... do you condone murder???

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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:48 PM
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I dont need to work in a hospital i know of two sets of parents in the situation due to

premature births.




posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...the only thing thats been proven on this thread is that misogynists can be shown the truth but we cant staple their eyelids open


What a childish, ignorant statement. Labeling those who oppose abortion as "misogynists" is just a pathetic, far-reaching attempt at discrediting them. Not one pro-choicer has spoken any logic and most haven't even attempted to- they've only resorted to their emotional, "women's rights" rhetoric. Labeling that as "the truth" is only your attempt at giving more credit to pro-choicers as well as comforting your conscience.
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I can't believe some have used the government's approval as a means of justifying abortion. I don't care what our corrupt governement allows people to do. Governement has allowed people to own slaves.
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:54 PM
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I am just curious if any of you have even looked at history? Abortion has been around since before it was legal. Before in the US women would resort to getting it done in back yard facilities with clothes hangers. More women died by abortions before they made it legal either from infection or just bad medical practices. So the keynote of this reply is that if you outlaw abortion you are just going to force women back to the underground backyard facilities.

It should be up to the woman what her choice is in the opinion of a former recovering Catholic with no religious affiliation what-so-ever and I'm a male.

Furthermore I think it should be noted that the very need for Abortion is forced by our own social views on women. We don't want to teach our children about sex, but yet not teaching them leads to teen pregnancy and other problems. However, when the teenager gets pregnant we don't want to deal with the pregnancy because god forbid our teenage daughter had sex before she was of age and got pregnant. Due to this we then create our teenage daughters to become socially outcasted because instead of supporting them we would rather just ask why and freak out. Then said daughter realizes that she has no support from the guy that knocked her up or from her own family. So then she decides that abortion is the best option because then everything will go back to normal and her life won't be ruined etc.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:57 PM
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So you're OK with forcing a woman to be pregnant?

You missed the part about it being an international crime of violence against a woman and her own rights to own her own body.

And to do with it as she choozes without your approval.

You seem to want to control her sex life too.
Why is that?



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 06:59 PM
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"They're gonna do it anyway" is NEVER a good excuse to legalize something. You could use the same logic for absoluetely anything. Does that mean you suddenly throw away all laws and therefore anything goes?



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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I personaly think its wrong but im not going to push or force other people into my beliefs. Of cource there is the ifs ands or buts when it comes to each persons case. i just cant imagin aborting a kid then having kids down the road and knowing you killed your sons older brother or sister
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:03 PM
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Flat out, unless you personally possess a uterus, the decision is NOT yours. You can state your viewpoint, your horror, disgust, etc., call names, "murderer" but it isn't your decision. And FYI not all women get pregnant by unprotected sex because they are just too 'horny and stupid' to use contraception. There are any number of scenarios as to why a woman would in most cases painfully make that choice to end a pregnancy versus give birth.

I have an aunt that believed abortion was murder, and refused to do so when mandated by her doctors to do so, because it could kill her. She's now dead due to that pregnancy. So you can cheer her 'rightness' all the way to heaven if you want. Tough titties I suppose for the three young children she already had who were left without a mother to raise them. She made the "right" choice after all, she went to heaven I'm sure as a non-murderer. Excuse me while I go puke.


Oh btw, if you believe abortion is wrong and murder, you should consider standing outside ICU's and verbally abusing families to decide to pull the plug on a family member in a coma screaming "murderer". And don't bother saying that's 'different' because it's not, a life is a life, braindead or not formed in the uterus, it's a life right?

Walk a mile in a woman's stiletto's before you judge her. Enjoy the blisters.
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posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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This thread is a disgrace.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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Yes Live and let live ...You are living your life with your views and beliefs. Let others

with an opposing viewpoint live theirs. However a feotus or embyro cannot live without

a "host"



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by OhZone
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So you're OK with forcing a woman to be pregnant?


A woman gets herself pregnant when she consents to sex. You can't blame me for another woman's pregnancy. What part of that simple fact of life can't you understand? Only TWO people are responsible for a pregnancy unless rape had occured.


You missed the part about it being an international crime of violence against a woman and her own rights to own her own body.


I don't care one iota what our corrupt government approves or disapproves of. When a woman makes the decision to spread her legs and take the risk of getting pregnant, she is giving up the rights of her body being "pregnancy-free".


You seem to want to control her sex life too.
Why is that?


And how is it your deluded mind came up with that?



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod

Originally posted by dizzylizzy
Have the men here gone through an unwanted pregnancy and the repucusions...doubt it...abortion is not an easy choice.

I say again if men put something on the end of it there wouldn't be so many unwanted pregnancies.


If men put something on the end of it???????

I'm guessing as a female you couldnt say NO?

Or

You couldnt take some kind of contraception or possibly even the morning after pill?

This aint just the males fault. Its as much the females fault.



Of course it isn't soley the males fault, but how ,many men take precautions? I am, alergic to johnny's, if you loved me you would let me come inside you without a condom etc.

Men need to take responsibility for birth control as much as women do.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by Dr Cosma
This thread is a disgrace.



It is interesting to watch how some have been 'working' the crowd though.
Good to know who's who.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Ok I'll give you that to a degree.

However, I still want to point that you should look at the past. I mean is it better to pretend that sex doesn't exist ? Its utterly amazing to me how many people think it's wrong to have abortions, but at the same time they don't want to teach kids about sex so they can learn about getting pregnant. I mean just because you turn a blind eye to something doesn't mean it's going to go away.

Kids will continue to have sex before marriage whether you like it or not. Now if you as a parent are going to guarantee your support of your child then fine do away with abortion, but I would be more inclined to believe that most that call for no abortion are going to be the same that will shun there pregnant daughters too.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:10 PM
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I don't believe in the anti-abortion views whatsoever, nor do I believe the pro-abortion either.

I'm all for pro-choice and if a woman chooses to have an abortion, that's her god-given right as a member of a free society.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:11 PM
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Originally posted by HarmonicNights
I don't care one iota what our corrupt government approves or disapproves of. When a woman makes the decision to spread her legs and take the risk of getting pregnant, she is giving up the rights of her body being "pregnancy-free"


Wow I am beginning to see your personality now after that post. I guess the male had nothing to do with it at all. It's totally the woman's fault. Do you believe a woman should stay home wash dishes, care for the children, and have dinner ready when you get there too?



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by jrmcleod

Originally posted by My_Reality
reply to post by kevinunknown
 


I am going to have to respectfully disagree with you.

I support abortion due to the simple fact that what a woman decides to do with her body is her business. I cannot see how that makes me or the woman a child killer. Every woman I have known that has had an abortion(3) was emotionally devastated afterward. The last thing they need is to be labeled a murderer by people who disagree with her actions. In fact, people who verbally attack women who have abortions are the true problem. They are manipulating a woman's anguish to forward their own personal views on morality, which is hypocritical.

An embryo or a fetus is not a child. While in the womb, it is evolving into a child and is completely dependent on the biological processes of the mother for survival.

In my mind, the most important aspect of this debate is that if you are not the expectant mother or father then the situation is not your affair. Leave them be and allow them to make a choice without outside interference. No one should force their beliefs onto others. At it's essence, forcing unwilling women to adhere to the anti-abortionist mentality is no different than radical Islam forcing Sharia onto an unwilling population.

This is the true cruelty. Forcing beliefs onto others is as morally decadent to me as abortion is morally decadent to you.





1. Its their own body but its NOT their life to take away.
2. You HONESTLY cant see how killing a child makes you a child killer???? You need to go back to school...
3. If the people you know were SO emotionally traumatised than WHY DO IT....WHEN ITS THEIR CHOICE AS YOU SO ELEQUENTLY PUT IT???? Maybe its because deep down they know they have killed a baby.
4. Babies can be born at 24 weeks and live...NO PROBLEM, to say its still a fetus is the most rediculous part of your thread...no wait its the bit about killing a child and not realising it makes you a child killer...

At the end of the day, people choose to have sex for pleasure and they end up creating life...if your so concerned about abortion, the law and whatever else pertaining to the subject...DONT HAVE UNPROTECTED SEX.



Ah fanatics...gotta love their completely one sided view of reality.

1) Disagree. The woman's body provides the life. They have the right to abort if they believe it's the best course of action. Personally, I don't believe that unborn embryo or fetus are alive inside the womb. They are not biologically self sufficient.
2) What an absurd statement. You obviously did not comprehend my original post. They are not children. They are embryo or fetus and completely dependent on the mother for survival.
3) Yes, they knew they aborted their pregnancy. However, they were not mentally, emotionally, or financially prepared to have a child and were well within their personal rights to make that decision. You know(I guess) that sometimes the desire of passion can override one's reason.
4) Yes they can. However, they cannot survive without technological intervention, such as a ventilator, for instance. Ironic how the technology that allows premature babies to live also allows women to make the personal choice of abortion.

While sex does create pregnancies, I didn't mention sex in my original post. Why did you bring it up? I suspect you saw it as a good opportunity to blast off your views on unprotected sex.

Most importantly, you missed the main point of my original post. You are not the expectant mother or father and therefore what they decide to do - whether it is abort, give up for adoption, or raise the newborn baby - is not your affair. You have no choice in their decision no matter how fervently you believe abortion to be murder.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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Originally posted by Wyn Hawks
...the only thing thats been proven on this thread is that misogynists can be shown the truth but we cant staple their eyelids open (cuz its illegal, dangit)...



I don't hate women...I dislike selfish pieces of trash.


There is a difference.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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(QUOTE by mindspin)
I'm fully aware of how babies are created...I think it is you who needs to distort those facts so you can continue believe you didn't kill your baby.

Let me put it this way...my conscience is clear no matter what way it is defined. It is YOU who need to play with the semantics to justify your actions. (END QOUTE)

Throughout this thread you have called me trash, told me I am disgusting and called me a murderer numerous times. Your lame attempt at having the last word, by accusing me of murder again, using your twisted words and logic, to force me to feel a guilt you project on me, is adolescent.

The vitriol of your reaction to me reveals your deep insecurity and your inability to accept the physical and legal reality of which you have no control, and no positive outlet. Sour Grapes! Vagina Envy!

You think you are righteous in your battle to highjack someones thread with your troll behavior, to sputter hatred, ignorance and bigotry of something, that up till this point, you have shown no personal experience with, just blind judgement. Science and logic and medicine have no place in your mind.

Others, have disagreed with each other on this thread but none have been so bitter, so vile as you. Most have thoughtful, honest reason's why they have come to their opinions.

Very few people like me get heard, these days. Blowhards and bullies like you abound. You are a coward, hiding behind you newly created account and forboding avatar. You have given us no good thing, no good advice or annidotal example.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:15 PM
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Originally posted by Bee2010
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My body, I decide if I support life within it or not. Nothing you can do about it...
Suck it up princess



Well you sound like a gem.

I see a very unlucky man in your future as you suck the life and everything that is good out of him.



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Phantom28804
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I mean is it better to pretend that sex doesn't exist ?


No one pretends that sex doesn't exist. However, pro-choicers try to seperate sex and reproduction in an attempt to dissolve the relationship between sexual intercourse and pregnancy. They don't want to have to deal with the consequences of sex.


Kids will continue to have sex before marriage whether you like it or not.


Your point...? Yes, they have sex fully aware of the consequences. Legalized abortion only reinforces casual sex and abandonment of responsibiilty.
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