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reply to post by GoldenFleece

I'm not gonna debate your absolutely ludicrous claim that galaxies were discovered in our solar system, especially when the 'Mystery Heavenly Object' in the Washington Post article was described by NASA and IRAS researchers as being the approximate size of Jupiter and 55 billion miles from Earth.

That's a lie you continuously post. No where in the article does it state that is true. Of course you know that.

There is a list of possibilities in that article from object in our solar system to galaxy. In fact, two galactic forms are suggested. Never does the suggestion of a brown dwarf appear in the article.

Please tell us what size means? There can be many interpretations for size. I can think of 3 off hand, no 4.

reply to post by backinblack

Maybe think before you post such drivel..
You seem to have been here long enough to know a members profile will cleary show if they've been banned and no stars will appear in their past posts..

Actually I didn't know that. Thanks for the info.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by GoldenFleece

 

That's a lie you continuously post. No where in the article does it state that is true. Of course you know that.

So once again you're claiming the "mystery heavenly body" described in a 1983 Washington Post article isn't the size of Jupiter and wasn't 50 billion miles from Earth?

Let's take another look so everyone can finally determine who the REAL liar is:

Possibly as Large as Jupiter; Mystery Heavenly Body Discovered


By Thomas O'Toole
Washington Post Staff Writer 

Friday, December 30, 1983; Page A1

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth 
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation 
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

...The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and 
has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous 
planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 billion miles. While that may seem like a 
great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact 
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

planet-x.150m.com...

OK, so now that you've been caught lying about Lucus being banned from ATS and caught lying about the object IRAS discovered in 1983 not being the size of Jupiter and not 50 billion miles from Earth, what's your next lie?

Personally, I think you serve a valuable purpose in allowing people to determine the truth by believing the exact opposite of whatever you say.

reply to post by GoldenFleece

OK, so now that you've been caught lying about Lucus being banned from ATS and caught lying about the object IRAS discovered in 1983 not being the size of Jupiter and not 50 billion miles from Earth, what's your next lie?

There you go posting how you lied. The article states

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth

The article does not say it exists. It suggests a possible object.

So let's see what GoldenFleece is hiding from us. What is he always trying to hide from us?

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

So GoldenFleece purposely tried to hide the truth of the article.

Was it a planet? NO
Was it a comet? NO
Was it a protostar? NO
Was it the first type of galaxy mentioned? NO
Was it the second type of galaxy mentioned? YES

So now everyone can see how GoldenFleece has purposely and wantonly lied to everyone. I think his advice should be accepted. Whatever he states it is likely the opposite is true.

reply to post by GoldenFleece


Stop the lies! We have stated time and again that you are completely wrong. It's clear you either have no reading comprehension or are knowingly fearmongering. Since you always edit this article I will post it in its entirety with the important parts bolded as well as posting links to the original article in Astrophysical Journal and the follow-ups from 1985 and 1987.

A heavenly body possibly as large as the giant planet Jupiter and possibly so close to Earth
that it would be part of this solar system has been found in the direction of the constellation
Orion by an orbiting telescope aboard the U.S. infrared astronomical satellite.

So mysterious is the object that astronomers do not know if it is a planet, a giant comet, a
nearby "protostar" that never got hot enough to become a star, a distant galaxy so young that
it is still in the process of forming its first stars or a galaxy so shrouded in dust that none of the
light cast by its stars ever gets through.

"All I can tell you is that we don't know what it is," Dr. Gerry Neugebauer, IRAS chief
scientist for California's Jet Propulsion Laboratory and director of the Palomar Observatory
for the California Institute of Technology, said in an interview.

The most fascinating explanation of this mystery body, which is so cold it casts no light and
has never been seen by optical telescopes on Earth or in space, is that it is a giant gaseous
planet as large as Jupiter and as close to Earth as 50 trillion miles. While that may seem like a
great distance in earthbound terms, it is a stone's throw in cosmological terms, so close in fact
that it would be the nearest heavenly body to Earth beyond the outermost planet Pluto.

"If it is really that close, it would be a part of our solar system," said Dr. James Houck of
Cornell University's Center for Radio Physics and Space Research and a member of the
IRAS science team. "If it is that close, I don't know how the world's planetary scientists
would even begin to classify it."

The mystery body was seen twice by the infrared satellite as it scanned the northern sky from
last January to November, when the satellite ran out of the supercold helium that allowed its
telescope to see the coldest bodies in the heavens. The second observation took place six
months after the first and suggested the mystery body had not moved from its spot in the sky
near the western edge of the constellation Orion in that time.

"This suggests it's not a comet because a comet would not be as large as the one we've
observed and a comet would probably have moved," Houck said. "A planet may have moved
if it were as close as 50 trillion miles but it could still be a more distant planet and not have
moved in six months time."

Whatever it is, Houck said, the mystery body is so cold its temperature is no more than 40
degrees above "absolute" zero, which is 456 degrees Fahrenheit below zero. The telescope
aboard IRAS is cooled so low and is so sensitive it can "see" objects in the heavens that are
only 20 degrees above absolute zero.

When IRAS scientists first saw the mystery body and calculated that it could be as close as
50 trillion miles, there was some speculation that it might be moving toward Earth.

"It's not incoming mail," Cal Tech's Neugebauer said. "I want to douse that idea with as much
cold water as I can."

Then, what is it? What if it is as large as Jupiter and so close to the sun it would be part of the
solar system? Conceivably, it could be the 10th planet astronomers have searched for in vain.
It also might be a Jupiter-like star that started out to become a star eons ago but never got hot
enough like the sun to become a star.

While they cannot disprove that notion, Neugebauer and Houck are so bedeviled by it that
they do not want to accept it. Neugebauer and Houck "hope" the mystery body is a distant
galaxy either so young that its stars have not begun to shine or so surrounded by dust that its
starlight cannot penetrate the shroud.

"I believe it's one of these dark, young galaxies that we have never been able to observe
before," Neugebauer said.

"If it is, then it is a major step forward in our understanding of the size of the universe, how the
universe formed and how it continues to form as time goes on."

The next step in pinpointing what the mystery body is, Neuegebauer said, is to search for it
with the world's largest optical telescopes. Already, the 100-inch diameter telescope at Cerro
del Tololo in Chile has begun its search and the 200-inch telescope at Palomar Mountain in
California has earmarked several nights next year to look for it. If the body is close enough
and emits even a hint of light, the Palomar telescope should find it since the infrared satellite
has pinpointed its position.

Source

From tis article it seems they believe the object is a distant galaxy and it's not coming towards Earth. Furthermore, one of the way astronomers find planets is by looking at movement. This object did not move, indicating it is not a planet.

Original Article
First Follow-Up
Second Follow-Up

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www.sciencedaily.com...

ScienceDaily (Feb. 21, 2011) — In November 2010, the scientific journal Icarus published a paper by astrophysicists John Matese and Daniel Whitmire, who proposed the existence of a binary companion to our sun, larger than Jupiter, in the long-hypothesized "Oort cloud" -- a faraway repository of small icy bodies at the edge of our solar system. The researchers use the name "Tyche" for the hypothetical planet. Their paper argues that evidence for the planet would have been recorded by the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer (WISE).


WISE is a NASA mission, launched in December 2009, which scanned the entire celestial sky at four infrared wavelengths about 1.5 times. It captured more than 2.7 million images of objects in space, ranging from faraway galaxies to asteroids and comets relatively close to Earth. Recently, WISE completed an extended mission, allowing it to finish a complete scan of the asteroid belt, and two complete scans of the more distant universe, in two infrared bands. So far, the mission's discoveries of previously unknown objects include an ultra-cold star or brown dwarf, 20 comets, 134 near-Earth objects (NEOs), and more than 33,000 asteroids in the main belt between Mars and Jupiter.

Following its successful survey, WISE was put into hibernation in February 2011. Analysis of WISE data continues. A preliminary public release of the first 14 weeks of data is planned for April 2011, and the final release of the full survey is planned for March 2012.

Frequently Asked Questions

Q: When could data from WISE confirm or rule out the existence of the hypothesized planet Tyche?

A: It is too early to know whether WISE data confirms or rules out a large object in the Oort cloud. Analysis over the next couple of years will be needed to determine if WISE has actually detected such a world or not. The first 14 weeks of data, being released in April 2011, are unlikely to be sufficient. The full survey, scheduled for release in March 2012, should provide greater insight. Once the WISE data are fully processed, released and analyzed, the Tyche hypothesis that Matese and Whitmire propose will be tested.

Q: Is it a certainty that WISE would have observed such a planet if it exists?

A: It is likely but not a foregone conclusion that WISE could confirm whether or not Tyche exists. Since WISE surveyed the whole sky once, then covered the entire sky again in two of its infrared bands six months later, WISE would see a change in the apparent position of a large planet body in the Oort cloud over the six-month period. The two bands used in the second sky coverage were designed to identify very small, cold stars (or brown dwarfs) -- which are much like planets larger than Jupiter, as Tyche is hypothesized to be.

Q: If Tyche does exist, why would it have taken so long to find another planet in our solar system?

A: Tyche would be too cold and faint for a visible light telescope to identify. Sensitive infrared telescopes could pick up the glow from such an object, if they looked in the right direction. WISE is a sensitive infrared telescope that looks in all directions.

Q: Why is the hypothesized object dubbed "Tyche," and why choose a Greek name when the names of other planets derive from Roman mythology?

A: In the 1980s, a different companion to the sun was hypothesized. That object, named for the Greek goddess "Nemesis," was proposed to explain periodic mass extinctions on Earth. Nemesis would have followed a highly elliptical orbit, perturbing comets in the Oort Cloud roughly every 26 million years and sending a shower of comets toward the inner solar system. Some of these comets would have slammed into Earth, causing catastrophic results to life. Recent scientific analysis no longer supports the idea that extinctions on Earth happen at regular, repeating intervals. Thus, the Nemesis hypothesis is no longer needed. However, it is still possible that the sun could have a distant, unseen companion in a more circular orbit with a period of a few million years -- one that would not cause devastating effects to terrestrial life. To distinguish this object from the malevolent "Nemesis," astronomers chose the name of Nemesis's benevolent sister in Greek mythology, "Tyche."

JPL manages and operates the Wide-field Infrared Survey Explorer for NASA's Science Mission Directorate, Washington. The principal investigator, Edward Wright, is at UCLA. The mission was competitively selected under NASA's Explorers Program managed by the Goddard Space Flight Center, Greenbelt, Md. The science instrument was built by the Space Dynamics Laboratory, Logan, Utah, and the spacecraft was built by Ball Aerospace & Technologies Corp., Boulder, Colo. Science operations and data processing take place at the Infrared Processing and Analysis Center at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena. Caltech manages JPL for NASA. More information is online at www.nasa.gov... wise.astro.ucla.edu... and www.jpl.nasa.gov...





A couple of things here...they admit and give a few numbers on the things that WISE has discovered but they wont release it until March 2012 at best. They will release some preliminary information April 2011.

I have a feeling since its ran by NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory? that they will not tell us its heading this way due to the simple fact if it was....we couldn't see it. So its a need to know basis for TPTB. We probably wont know about it just like the 2X Jupiter sized comet that passed us February 18th, 2003 that should have killed all of us and pulled Mercury into the sun. Physicists are amazed why where still here. Now...if that isnt proof that were in the dark on things related to there seriousness then I dont know what is.

Comet C/2002 V1 (NEAT) is a non-periodic comet that appeared in November, 2002. The comet appeared with a magnitude of approximately –0.5, making it currently the 7th brightest comet seen in 70 years.[1] It was seen by SOHO in February 2003. It was calculated that the comet came closer to the sun than the Asteroid belt in September 2002.[2] (Slight controversy arose when the comet failed to break up when it approached the sun, as expected by some scientists if it were a small comet.[3])

The comet was hit by a Coronal mass ejection during its pass near the sun[4]; some rumoured it had "disturbed" the sun, but scientists dismissed this notion.[3] After the comet left LASCO's field of view around February 23, an object was seen at the bottom of the images. Although technicians dismissed this as a glitch, rumours persisted that the comet had been expelled from the sun.

en.wikipedia.org...

sohowww.nascom.nasa.gov...

Caption: Although comet NEAT (C/2002 V1) was not visible in the LASCO images until about 16:00 (Universal Time) on February 16, it had in fact been tracked by SOHO since December 31 last year. The color markup on the SWAN image (bottom) shows the paths traced out by the two comets NEAT and Kudo-Fujikawa. The red ellipse indicates the area where comet NEAT first becomes visible. As it disappears "over the edge" of the map, it enters on the other (left) side.

This comet wasn't even visible to us until a few days prior. Feb 16th then passed by Feb18th 2003. Hmmmm. Cant see it so it must not be there. Oh...and it was being tracked only a few months earlier December 31st 2002. They wont tell us anything...peeps like us will just be fighting each other on forums like this until a day or two before hand...and that's if were observant.

reply to post by Reconer


It is important to place material in quotes that is copied from other sources to make it clear what are your thoughts and what are other people's writings.

We probably wont know about it just like the 2X Jupiter sized comet that passed us February 18th, 2003 that should have killed all of us and pulled Mercury into the sun.

There is a difference between the coma of a comet and the nucleaus of a comet. A large nucleus is one 25km across. That could not "pull Mercury into the Sun."

Physicists are amazed why where still here. Now...if that isnt proof that were in the dark on things related to there seriousness then I dont know what is.

Clearly, some hoax site has misled you about comets and their size. No physicists would think that there is sufficient mass in a comet to significantly affect the orbits of planets.

This comet wasn't even visible to us until a few days prior. Feb 16th then passed by Feb18th 2003. Hmmmm. Cant see it so it must not be there. Oh...and it was being tracked only a few months earlier December 31st 2002. They wont tell us anything...peeps like us will just be fighting each other on forums like this until a day or two before hand...and that's if were observant.

This is a little jumbled. Are you claiming that no one saw NEAT until it was very close to us?