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Poll: 61% oppose limits on union bargaining power

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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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Poll: 61% oppose limits on union bargaining power


www.usatoday.com

The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

Ohio and several other states that have new Republican governors and legislative majorities are considering laws that would reduce the power of government emp
(visit the link for the full news article)




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:51 PM
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I'm a member of this group of 61%. These actions by the republican party and there offspring tea party show there true colors. They are not about representing the people, but they are all about representing the corporations and the elite.

These groups are for limiting the rights of the workers, and this can not be allowed to happen, they must be stopped.

I wonder if anyone who voted for the tea party repulicans are now regretting that?

The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

Please visit the link provided for the complete story.


www.usatoday.com
(visit the link for the full news article)



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:58 PM
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This is a bias poll.

Large portions of the population live under the cozy umbrella of government pay. Of course they don't want a pay cut. OF COURSE.

Also, these people are the ones TEACHING the kids. OF COURSE the kids will only repeat the garbage these people taught them. OF COURSE.

I am amazed that 1/3rd disagreed with them. That's a huge impressive gain on the part of common sense and rational critical thinking.
That must be scary as hell for the government to know that 1 out of 3 of us has wised up to the game being played here.

Gov't Unions are using their power to bankrupt us. We tried to cut their pay but they flipped out and went Egyptian on us. That means our entire government failed. And it was the government employee's greed that created it. Amazing.

This is a good thing, I'm glad the government failures are becoming painfully obvious.

But I am terribly saddened by the audacity that some of these people have to demand more of my tax $ simply because they are selfish.

Let's just go borrow another trillion from Japan or China, what the hell it doesn't matter does it? The only thing that matters is your personal bank account TODAY.

How can these people call themselves teachers? They have no rationality other than self-preservation! This is not wisdom or sacrifice! It is madness and greed.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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It is a shame that on ATS at least, the crazy right-wing nutters believe being part of a union means embracing socialism, or in many cases, communism.

These nutters will at one moment complain about banks, corporations and other private interests all being the seat of evil, and then at the next they will decry any form of left-wing activity as the epitomy of wrongness. Make up your mind right-wing nutters.

The unions are under attack in America - will people in the US bend over and get screwed by the corporations? If the Tea Party and Republicans have anything to do with it they will!!

The Revenant.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:01 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash
This is a bias poll.

Large portions of the population live under the cozy umbrella of government pay. Of course they don't want a pay cut. OF COURSE.

Also, these people are the ones TEACHING the kids. OF COURSE the kids will only repeat the garbage these people taught them. OF COURSE.


As I was saying.... right-wing nutters really can't make up their minds....

Nor do they like it when good people teach their kids 'the truth'.

The Rev.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Since there's no women's union I don't care about them. In today's society we shouldn't need them. I support my teachers, police and fireman...who doesn't. I sure as hell don't like my kids coming home from school and having to deal with the teacher fillin up my kids head with all the crap the Union wants the Teacher to tell them. Like who to tell there parents to vote for. That really pissed me off during the clinton years. I new he was a classic jerk back then and he's proved to be one as president. I'm so tired of hearing people cryin about the unions. Them unions aren't going to get you more jobs are they? Cuz there's alot of folks out there that need them and ain't gettin them. People need to figure out a way that we can all tighten our belts without all hell breakin loose or there's gonna be some consequences we might not enjoy in the future....



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:13 PM
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as previously posted, this is obviously a "push"-type telephone poll and contains no validity or reliability. it is worth nothing.

give me enough time and money, and i could get polls that indicate, with great confidence, a majority of americans believe the moon is made of swiss cheese.





posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by The Revenant

Originally posted by muzzleflash
This is a bias poll.

Large portions of the population live under the cozy umbrella of government pay. Of course they don't want a pay cut. OF COURSE.

Also, these people are the ones TEACHING the kids. OF COURSE the kids will only repeat the garbage these people taught them. OF COURSE.


As I was saying.... right-wing nutters really can't make up their minds....

Nor do they like it when good people teach their kids 'the truth'.

The Rev.


Aha you are thrice wrong sir.

1) I am not a Right Winger. In fact I HATE the GOP. Passionately.

2) Always typical for those who cannot articulate logical arguments to immediately resort to name calling (frivolously I might add!)

and
3) If you think they are teaching kids anything worthwhile, you have not viewed the statistics yet. They clearly show the USA School System ranking horrifically, below 20th or 30th spots consistently.

Thrice struck means only one thing.
Your Out!



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:18 PM
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It is a shame that on ATS at least, the crazy right-wing nutters believe being part of a union means embracing socialism, or in many cases, communism.


sadly, everything you said about unions is true.

unions were the conceived in communism, birthed in stalinist ideology, whelped on racketeering & organized crime, raised in violence and murder, and live & breathe in the corruption they have spouted for the past 80 years.

there is nothing crazy about it.

it is fact.

im sorry that it's only lately that people have begun to realize it and to take action.

what's really gonna be terrible is watching what these union thugs do when they see their stranglehold on the taxpayer weaken.


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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:19 PM
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Originally posted by relocator
Them unions aren't going to get you more jobs are they? Cuz there's alot of folks out there that need them and ain't gettin them. People need to figure out a way that we can all tighten our belts without all hell breakin loose or there's gonna be some consequences we might not enjoy in the future....


Unions don't make the jobs, they help protect the workers from abuses.

I have the belt tightening figured out! Let's raise everyone's tax rates to what REAGAN pinned them to and much of debt and deficit will be alleviated. Let's impose actual penalties on the financial sector when they lose my (and your) 401k money by creating magical derivatives that are a house of cards. Let's go after the corporatists who ran manufacturing offshore to make it cheaper and cheaper. [As a side note I love hearing people bitch about the crappy products being hawked on us on by China, when it much of this crappy comes from not having adequate labor laws] That is where the jobs went. The unions didn't run jobs offshore. Corporate money grubbers did.

I will not say that the unions are not in serious need of reform. They are. But to say that all the state budget problems are due to the unions is completely unhinged. Completely.

Obs out



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:22 PM
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They just cannot understand the viewpoint of someone who is not fully brainwashed by the 2party system of lies.

I am not a Republican. I am not a Democrat.

I am an American. I agree / disagree with them depending on logical analysis and rational deep thinking. Party lines for are the zombies. Not us free people.

Why did so many systems fail throughout history? Because they failed to adapt to changing situations.

Both Republicans and Democrats are dinosaurs. They are going to go extinct. They simply cannot adapt to thinking outside their little boxes that their political "leaders" told them to think inside of.

If anyone disagrees with their stance, they are automatically "the other side trying to spread lies".

Get real and debate me like a intelligent human being. Stop acting like these pathetic party line hacks. Act like a human, talk to me like a human.

Explain to me WHY it is not LOGICAL to cut all our budgets at this time??
From Military to Education , we need Cuts. And now!

By God we are not leaving my kids any debt. I will not stand for it!



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:25 PM
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Originally posted by observer

Originally posted by relocator
Them unions aren't going to get you more jobs are they? Cuz there's alot of folks out there that need them and ain't gettin them. People need to figure out a way that we can all tighten our belts without all hell breakin loose or there's gonna be some consequences we might not enjoy in the future....


Unions don't make the jobs, they help protect the workers from abuses.

I have the belt tightening figured out! Let's raise everyone's tax rates to what REAGAN pinned them to and much of debt and deficit will be alleviated. Let's impose actual penalties on the financial sector when they lose my (and your) 401k money by creating magical derivatives that are a house of cards. Let's go after the corporatists who ran manufacturing offshore to make it cheaper and cheaper. [As a side note I love hearing people bitch about the crappy products being hawked on us on by China, when it much of this crappy comes from not having adequate labor laws] That is where the jobs went. The unions didn't run jobs offshore. Corporate money grubbers did.

I will not say that the unions are not in serious need of reform. They are. But to say that all the state budget problems are due to the unions is completely unhinged. Completely.

Obs out


Odd as I havn't seen one person in all these union threads say state budget issues are all the unions fault. I suggest you read some before spouting off.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Originally posted by LDragonFire

Poll: 61% oppose limits on union bargaining power


www.usatoday.com

The public strongly opposes laws taking away the collective bargaining power of public employee unions as a way to ease state financial troubles, according to a new USA TODAY/Gallup Poll.

The poll found that 61% would oppose a law in their state similar to one being considered in Wisconsin, compared with 33% who would favor such a law.

Ohio and several other states that have new Republican governors and legislative majorities are considering laws that would reduce the power of government emp
(visit the link for the full news article)



Yeah and another guy posted a poll that turns out was from the AFL-CIO that showed about the same. Of course no bias there. lol



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:28 PM
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I don't really want to interject into the middle of your good tit-for-tat,
but just to play devils advecate for a moment; What use is collective bargaining if the Gov. of Wisconsin and other Gov's are correct?

I mean if there is NO MONEY, then what kind of scenerio is this? Martial Law of sorts?

If the people are told, 'sorry, nothing to bargain, we actually need to take what you already got." Sounds really gruesome, and unfair, until you think about the inevitable reality that the end of unions is near anyways because the companies plagued with unions cannot pay the pensions promised.

This isn't your Grandfather's economy, the pie has already been divided and there is none left, it's too late, wake up and realize, that soon, in your lifetime, a major life-as-we-know-it change will take place. We as a Nation have already been robbed of our way of life, we just haven't run out of blindfolds and dog-wagging yet. Prepare, and not for the end of the world, but for dinner. Because soon, you will have a wee bit harder time doin' so.

Okay, I'll leave ya'll to your discussion...just want to point out that empty pockets can't bargain.

rev



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:39 PM
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Originally posted by reverandrandy
I don't really want to interject into the middle of your good tit-for-tat,
but just to play devils advecate for a moment; What use is collective bargaining if the Gov. of Wisconsin and other Gov's are correct?

I mean if there is NO MONEY, then what kind of scenerio is this? Martial Law of sorts?


rev


Then we have to ask what they've done with all those billions shelled out each year.

I then use the powers given to us by our ancestors, who paved the way for the rights we have today.

Vote them out.

And yes, that's all the power we have.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:42 PM
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Polls are like taking a quick pulse. A snapshot in time. I will say, though, that since this whole Wisconsin thing people are giving it a helluva lot more thought. Why take away a unions collective bargaining power? What sense does that make. Bargaining is a give and take and compromise, and this union did that. This is about union busting. No doubt about it. Walker can't even straight faced lie about it.

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I have it figured out too. Stop sending money to other countries for a couple of years. And bring the troops home! All of them! Then stop the drug war.


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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:43 PM
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I have read many of the threads. I don't think I'm "spouting off" either. It is none other than Scott Walker (he's the governor of Wisconsin) who did. I just like to point out that there seems to be a highly concerted effort to scream about how everything is to blame for the current budget crisis' except you know, the folks who precipitated it. (hint unions did not create toxic real estate derivatives)

The union reps came out at the very beginning of this and contact the Governor's office indicating that they would be willing to capitulate on all the monetary cuts he was proposing if he would sit down with them. His reply was "no dice." Nice compromise, eh? Stripping unions of collective bargaining is the next step leading us back the wonderful working environment that was the early 1900s.

I am not arguing the unions are perfect organisations, great or even clean. They need tremendous reform themselves. But killing them I don't think is the answer.

And much more on topic. MOST polls are bunk. You can't ask 1000 people (people I might add that have landlines, as these outfits don't call cell phones) and extrapolate those answers as mirroring the entire country. It's silly on it's face.

Obs out



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:44 PM
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This isn't your Grandfather's economy


Boy...truer words never spoken.




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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Large portions of the population live under the cozy umbrella of government pay. Of course they don't want a pay cut. OF COURSE.

Are you suggesting that 61 percent of the population are government employees?
Dufus...



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:49 PM
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I have worked for a union they suck at their job. I worked at a local super market back when i was still in high school and had a bad experience with them and the corporation safe way foods. When i started working for Von's they made me join the union or i would be fired. #2 the union taxed what ever little money i made just in case i needed to be protected. But when the time came they sold me out and let the manager of the super market who fired me illegally. I was being verbally harassed by a coworker when i went to the store manager about it the first time she did nothing, The second time she did nothing. the 3rd time i threatened to go to the union about it and the assistant store manger offered me a position as a front end manger. I knew the game and once you work front as a front end manager they can fire you because you work for the corporation safe way and you are no longer a union worker. I told the manager i knew this. Two weeks later she was working for another location. Apparently this pissed off the head store manager and she was out for blood. She tried to have me fired many times and i noticed she tried to get the meat department manager to fire me but he wouldn't so she fired him and replaced him with a another guy but he wouldn't fire me as well "i was a good worker". One day i came into work sick and talked to the front end manager he said it was ok that i could go home. The next day i was suspended for a week. When i came back a week later i was still suspended so i talked to the union and filed a suit against them they gave me some jerk off lawyer who wouldn't be able to win a case in the real world if his life depended on it. She admitted to firing me this way so i couldn't collect unemployment which was illegal and she wouldn't give me my job back the union did nothing. What amazed me was how they just folded up on me after getting 3 years of taxing my pay check they did nothing for me. LOL they actually tried to charge me union dues the whole time i was suspended which was 2 months before i could get the case and this is after they screwed me in court. Seriously anyone who thinks the union is their friend is a moron they are blood sucking leeches who will sell you down the river and if you don't think the union is in bed with the corporation you work for your stupid they want to make it look they are fighting against the corporation when in reality they have already sold out to them so they can still collect your money." limits on union bargaining power" just look at the words given here. Why not do away with them altogether oh wait that's because they are giving a kicking back the unions for selling you out by letting them still pretend to do something for you.

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