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Indiana Democrats flee state to protest anti-union bill

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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 04:51 PM
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Some of these states deficits are in the billions. Thats nine zeroes. Simply taxing the evil rich to keep funding these entitlements will do nothing but see them wave goodbye to you and your state and any business they have there Not real smart.




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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where did i say that state and federal taxes were the same thing? actually, i made the point that they were very different things.

who is giving tax breaks to "the rich" at the state level?


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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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You are right. I realized I was not giving my full impression of the situation.

There is certainly a grave error that America's education system faces. I know because I have recently left High School. Not that I consider myself to be an idiot, but most kids felt that all that mattered was their grade and nothing else. I felt that way for a long time as well. Regardless of the source, something is wrong if the majority of kids feel that way. Although some students did understand that learning was the true value of school, not nearly enough.

I agree with you that many teachers must be fired.

Ms. Wooten was my high school history teacher who was the "president" of the Teachers union in Seattle. She sat on her fat lazy ass all day and did not teach at all. History class was a joke and the bull# books that were used were as well (The teachers union is very strong in Washington). It is sad to see that some students feel history is a valueless subject. I'm sorry I can't remember Ms. Wooten's first name but she taught at Garfield High School which is part of the King Country School district in the state of Washington, I am sure that is enough information for anyone who cares.


There needs to be a deep cleansing and heavy vetting process and pay raises for teachers. Close evaluation for a temporary period.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:09 PM
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Originally posted by MMPI2
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Marulo

 


again, states can't cut income tax for the rich, just like they can't raise income taxes on the rich. income tax is, by law, the purview of the FEDERAL government.

states MUST cut one of the largest non-returning and constantly expanding expenditures - teacher salary packages.

these salary packages are absolute cadillac programs that are not deserved by their recipients.

continuing in the direction the unions appear to want to keep moving toward is not sustainable.



Well then then the federal government should raise taxes on the rich. Then bailout the states like they bailed out Wallstreet. Is something wrong with that?

Edit: And just for the hell of it. Why not giving the states the right to raise the income taxes on classes of people? Are you saying that I should not have faith in humanity that they would not do the right thing?
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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Can you tell me why, then, do I have to pay state taxes? Do you not realize that corporations also pay state taxes and the state gets to set the rates at which you and I are taxed at, just like the federal government?



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Also I should say that Teachers were not the only factor. Media helped screw us up as well. From what what I can tell, Capitalism just sucks.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:26 PM
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There's a difference between raising taxes and rolling back tax cuts.

Walker entered office with a surplus. He now has a deficit. Why? because of the tax cuts he gave to the corporations and the wealthy citizens in his state. NOW, the state employees are being asked to cut their salaries so that the wealthy can have more money?

This is all regardless of the fact that many of you seem to not even realize that the supposed evil unions who are incredibly greedy have conceded everything but their bargaining rights. They even conceded to accept WAGE CUTS!! Why is this fact being completely ignored?

edit to add: The WI Dems even put on the table a deal to suspend bargaining rights until 2013. Walker won't budge on that either. It is becoming increasingly clear that this has nothing to do with budgets and everything to do with unions.
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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if you really and truly believe that "capitalism sucks", you could always try your hand in a country like china, venezuela or north korea. there are alternative forms of governments and economies in the world that might fit you.




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:29 PM
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Walker entered office with a surplus. He now has a deficit. Why? because of the tax cuts he gave to the corporations and the wealthy citizens in his state.


what surplus? what tax cuts did he give to the corporations and the wealthy citizens?




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:33 PM
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Originally posted by HoldTheBeans
Some of these states deficits are in the billions. Thats nine zeroes. Simply taxing the evil rich to keep funding these entitlements will do nothing but see them wave goodbye to you and your state and any business they have there Not real smart.


Then society is #ed.

If that is the case, then I am sorry I ever bothered.

However, I remain optimistic.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:36 PM
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there are a variety of taxes people pay. income taxes (federal), property taxes (state), sales taxes (state), FICA (federal), fuel taxes (federal).

I could go on and on.

each one of these confiscatures by either state or federal gov. goes into different state or federal accounts.

teachers are paid out of state coffers. in my state, property taxes (i.e., the money you send to the state government based on the estimated price of your home) are the largest pot from which teacher salaries come from.

taxes are NOT all the same. they originate from the different places, the proceeds go into different accounts, and the accounts are earmarked for different expenditures.

i would recommend you get this book. it may help you:

Taxes for Dummies





posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:41 PM
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Why not giving the states the right to raise the income taxes on classes of people?


In the United States, we do not divide people into classes.

We leave that to the indians and their caste system, to the stalinists/"progressivists" and to dictators.

There is no class system in the United States. Anyone who says something to the contrary is most likely the product of the public education system.






posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:59 PM
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Surplus, see page 2


Our analysis indicates a general fund gross balance of $121.4 million and a net balance of $56.4 million. This is $54.0 million above that of the administration's reports.


Tax cuts; local Wisconsin media outlet


For his first month in office, though, Walker's been focused on spending money through tax cuts. Two tax cuts he's already signed, along with one that's passed the Assembly, would add roughly $117 million to the state's budget problem over the next two years.


Note: I thought I deleted the part about wealthy citizens



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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TFor his first month in office, though, Walker's been focused on spending money through tax cuts. Two tax cuts he's already signed, along with one that's passed the Assembly, would add roughly $117 million to the state's budget problem over the next two years.ext


yeah. walker's a bad, horrible dude. he wants to let people keep the money they earn rather than confiscating it.

whoooooo....I'm glad we found him out!




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:35 PM
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Just from reading some of these post it is evident that many of these teachers need to be fired. Many of those posting do not seem to have the least amount of knowledge about economics and government.

What this nation really needs to boost our global educational score is competitiveness. Let me explain: a teacher in a union can pretty much get by with just teaching the basics. There is no need to try and push their students, they will make the same whether their students pass or fail. The unions will fight for them to help them keep their jobs and bring home a generous salery to boot. Now take the union out of the picture and base their pay on the job they do as a teacher, their drive to see those that they teach succede and their over all competence.
In many cases now, if a teacher faces disciplinary action, and are in a union, they get to sit in a room five days a week and draw their salaries until their contact is up. They are not teaching mind you, they are actually in a kind of "detention" for grown ups. It has been reported that some get to do this for years.
Now a little on taxation: Every one should be taxed the same, PERIOD. If you made it in life then why should you be penalized for it? I don't understand why so many jump on this band wagon.
"Tax the rich, tax the rich" sounds like a punch of bleeding heart hippy wanna be's. The sooner you grow up and realize how the world works the better off we will all be.
EVERY ONE should be taxed the same. Young, old, rich, poor, illegal immigrant, legal immigrants, those with jobs or without. And this is a good way it could be done: www.fairtax.org...



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 06:40 PM
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Lies. The whole post is lies.

Educate yourself.

politifact.com...


 
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 07:05 PM
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Well, today I am proud to be a Hoosier. The Rethuglicans will be defeated. Both parties have waged class warfare against the middle class for the last thirty years, but Rethuglicans are the worst by far. REMEMBER - never vote for a Republican, or this is what you get.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 07:12 PM
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There's a bit of information in this article about Indiana, as well as about Ohio and New Jersey. Oh, and Wisconsin too, of course.

dailycaller.com...

This is getting interesting.
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 07:14 PM
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Yep. Getting rid of extravagant spending to keep a budgets in check.

Gotta love it.


 
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 07:39 PM
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The tax structure you have laid out is no doubt correct for your state. However, other states are different. Some states charge Income tax, some don't. Some charge sales tax, some don't. Some charge property tax, some don't. Most charge various combinations of two or all three of these, but they aren't all the same. And they ALL charge fuel tax and other use taxes. Please don't assume that all situations are the same as what you are used to.

Actually, I think this is what you were saying, It just sounded like you were assigning the taxes to solely state and federal, when some are both. If so, I am sorry to bother you.

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