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China official warns of domestic unrest and "hostile" West

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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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China official warns of domestic unrest and "hostile" West


uk.reuters.com

(Reuters) - The Chinese government faces a turbulent time of domestic unrest and challenges from "hostile Western forces" that it will fight with more sophisticated controls, a Communist Party law-and-order official said.

Chen Jiping, deputy secretary general of the Communist Party's Political and Legal Affairs Committee, gave the toughly worded warning in this week's issue of Outlook Weekly, and blamed Western democratic countries for fomenting unrest.

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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Interesting statements, and one I will leave to the reader to form their own conclusions on, as to their accuracy or exaggerations...

Let's ask a few questions and discuss these statements...

Is there any basis in western instigations of these "uprisings" which are escalating exponentially? And if so, to what desired outcome, and to whose ultimate benefit?

And if not, is this merely an attempt to intimidate the chinese populace into NOT speaking out against their own ruling class?

In either case, the sabre rattling between the east and west does not appear to be toning down whatsoever in these recent times and events...

Discuss please.

uk.reuters.com
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:22 PM
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Yeah it will be interesting to see what kind of Chinese "False Flag" they'll come up with to further tighten their grip and strangle hold on their populous....



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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china in the last few years has been buying up huge volumes of raw materials includeing gold and other precious metals . it has suddenly become a major player in the world economy . could it be that individuals or parties in the west could be deliberatley trying to destabilise the country?



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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If anyone is tired of having the tyrant's boot in their face, it's all because of "western propaganda" huh?

Those CIA people really did a number on us. We actually want freedom.

Hah. Funny one that.

Truth is, none of the ruling elite in the USA, China, or wherever, want us to think about freedom.

The more freedom you and I have, the less control they have.
Simple equation.

I'm sure the Chinese blame the Uighur uprising or the Tibetan uprising or Taiwan's treasonous attempts at avoiding bowing down to the mainland as all being Western backed propaganda campaigns.

There would never be any reason ever that anyone would want freedom from the Chinese Govt. Oh no, the Chinese Govt is 100% pure and good, bla bla bla.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Interesting times, especially as just the other night Donald Trump goes on CNN spouting how he might run for President, and if elected he is gonna face down those Chinese, becuase he has worked with them, and knows them, and considers them "The ENEMY"

Really he said that, on CNN, repeatedly in fact, then bragged ab out how much he knew them from many business deals.

Well guess what Mr Trump. I think that statement there was the PRC just saying, actually Donny, now you won't be!!!

As for whatever else they may be referring too. It's probably true and the US is scared as it will be overtaken economically very soon by the PRC, and there is not a damn thing they can do to stop it, bar covert war. as they know that actual war with China would be suicide!!



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by da pickles
china in the last few years has been buying up huge volumes of raw materials includeing gold and other precious metals . it has suddenly become a major player in the world economy . could it be that individuals or parties in the west could be deliberatley trying to destabilise the country?


China has always been a major player in the global economy as far back as thousands of years.

Ever heard of the Silk Road?

Even when China was dominated by outside forces, they were still a extremely important part of the global trade networks.

Where did Marco Polo meet with Kublai Khan? Exactly.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:28 PM
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could this be the first sign of war with the west , think about it would /could China use this "up rising" if it gets going to start a war with the west because we have influenced freedom and free will and thought it to that nation? not saying it ill do so, just stating, could it.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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I'll have to disagree with you on your statement about war with China being suicide. I'm not a warmonger by any stretch of the imagination but if we put population size aside our (US) military is far superior to China's. If we went toe to toe with them in an all out war we would no doubt take heavy losses but they lack the hardware and sophistication to defeat us if you ask me.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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I think the spectre of boots on the ground and planes in the air will be limited (as in the 50 - 60s) to limted theares of actions such as SE Asia, rather than a full on pissing match between the Good Guys and the Baddies (Pick side as you see fit)

Any "war" that we could see, or have already seen will be limited, I feel, to the economy arena of oneupmanship.

The trade routes, now, just as when the East India Company were sailing the seven seas are enormous. Additionally, the Chinese, rather than being rash and reactive, will be very calculating in their approach, and leave the bold actions to others. After all this is the country that gave us the Art of War. so they will only pick ones they can win, and fight it on their terms.As they have a lot too lose, if they get it wrong, so if they can provoke "the west" (USA) into pre-emptive action. Guess which way the global mood would swing?

Lets just say that the 9/11 sympathy factor has long worn off, and there are allot of people in this word itching to see the US take a dressing down.

Plus, who doesn't like Chinese food right??
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Big macs, Starbucks, Wal-Mart and GM cars. That's what we've influenced them with.
They block Youtube and other such sites that we in the west laugh at. I never imagined the Chinese as being so feeble minded. Because in my opinion that's what the Chinese Government fears why else block those types of sites?





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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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They have blocked Youtube, in my opinion becuase they have the highest level of education in the world, and they don't want the latest generation contaminated (yes deliberate word) with the lack lustre low brow Andy warhol 15 minute celebrityism rubbish that passes for online entertainment! wasting hours, (as we do here) just to see if you "went viral"

Just good self defense if you ask me.
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posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by muzzleflash

Truth is, none of the ruling elite in the USA, China, or wherever, want us to think about freedom.



If the us you are talking about is Americans then we've already been fooled into believing that we are free.

As for the Middle East, and other Muslim nations, absolutely the "west" is both instigating this unrest and using it to inspire more elsewhere... In my opinion.

Cracking Theocracies, Royal Rule, Dictatorships and other regimes in these countries is nearly impossible, following successful revolution better opportunities come about for covert infiltration, manipulation and control. And eventually the implementation of more desirable agendas.

It's either that or an eventual all out ME war.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:48 PM
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Well I did say we "Laugh at"
In either case I doubt the highest concentration of "Internet Cafe" uses in the world are all surfing the Beijing Times or Wall Street Journal



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:49 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
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They have blocked Youtube, in my opinion becuase they have the highest level of education in the world, and they don't want the latest generation contaminated (yes deliberate word) with the lack lustre low brow Andy warhol 15 minute celebrityism rubbish that passes for online entertainment! wasting hours, (as we do here) just to see if you "went viral"

Just good self defense if you ask me.
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It is self defense, but that ain't the reason...

YouTube enpowers people, and allows them expression and a voice. Communism could not survive if that "went viral" in China.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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JJ I fully understand what you are saying, and Yes the US has the largest defense budget per capita in the world, but you did make and highlight the one reason!.

Population, not to mention land mass.

Look at it this way. Look at history

Germans against Russia, Russia was vastly inferior hardware and training-wise, who won?
America / England / Aus - Korea - Not an easy fight
America / Vietnam
Coalition / Irag / Afgham
UK vs Irish insurgent
World vs Drug Traffikers

Given this, I think any military action in China, indeed would be suicide. Lots of them would be killed. but really would any campaign be considered feasible - Rationally speaking.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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I do beg to differ. Personally I think the Chinese now have a good mix of west and East. They had good enough sense to leave Hong Kong pretty much as was.

The work ethic and mindset there is completely different to the west. So the concept of "empowerment" through digital media I feel would be lost on them, without the consistent social degradation that has occurred in the west the last 40 years, rather the empowerment comes from success and achievement

A concept that is now lost on the western developed world..



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by JakiusFogg
The work ethic and mindset there is completely different to the west. So the concept of "empowerment" through digital media I feel would be lost on them, without the consistent social degradation that has occurred in the west the last 40 years, rather the empowerment comes from success and achievement


So why are they so afraid?
It's FEAR we are talking about. TPTB in China fear their populous, they fear change and they fear losing control. Their elite enjoy infinitely more control, power and influence on the masses more so there than do their Western counterparts. Their elite have grown rich and powerful. So much for Mao's little red book of ideology. That power has corrupted them just like it does everybody else.

They want to keep it that way.


A concept that is now lost on the western developed world..


Thanks for posting your perspective.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Wikipedia

Whoa just checked the info on the PRC Army.

Scary stuff. Not just farmers with pitch forks!



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 03:07 PM
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Trump also said as President he'd put a 25% tax on Chinese imports to force them to the bargaining table about them manipulating their currency against ours.

I say domestic unrest and revolution will head to China eventually because their people know their government doesn't give a FK about their living conditions. Their people know they aren’t free. Half of them are forced to work 24/7 in sweat shops that also double as their homes. They aren’t happy, all they need is a little encouragement to stand up against their government, and their government knows this. They also know they will not be able to get away with another Tiananmen Square incident if the people in China decide to revolt. Yeah.. I bet the ruling party is starting to get scared and this is why speaking out against anarchy and protests.

As soon as we get a leader with the balls that will put a stop to their currency cheating, and puts pressure on the giant corporations of the world to be held accountable for the human rights violations and pollution they are getting away with in China, the Chinese economy will crumble. They aren't innovators, they keep their currency artificially low so we will trade with them and so they can steal the blueprints to our ideas and inventions. Without us they are nothing. Us without them equals less junk and more jobs.



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