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Originally posted by Brown
I hate it when people use the same excuse to hate Christians " Christians always to force there way of life (religion,Bible,etc.) down other peoples throats." I don't know anyone that does that and I live in a Catholic family with an atheist sister and we don't care if she believes in God or not. The only place they do that is in church or on the church channel.
Sorry just had to get that last part out.
Originally posted by dbrandt
I would like to know of the people responding to threads like this concerning God(Jesus Christ) who has read the Bible all the way through at least once? Both OT and NT
Originally posted by dbrandt
So what was the final thing or combination of things that said to you this can't be true? I'm talking personal things too.
Originally posted by dr goodrich
preach it bad kitty.
if you read about the oldest culture, the sumerians, and say compare it with other religious traditions, the bible takes on a very different meaning altogether and it finally makes sense.
when you learn about the process of canonization and the council of nicea,
the truth becomes crystal clear.
or at least that is some of what did it for me.....
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
Why would a jealous God be saying its ok to worship other gods, as long as you worship me first? That's rather like a jealous girlfriend saying its ok to date other people as long as you don't cancel dates with her. That just doesn't happen.
There are no other gods in the presence of God. To God, the other gods worshipped by men are not gods.
Originally posted by AD5673
Look Levller read the
Bible over again, and pay close attention this time. There is only ONR God, NOT four.
Originally posted by Leveller
Your own argument hurts your case here.
Why would Yaweh be jealous in the first place if he doesn't recognise other gods? If they weren't deemed by the Bible's authors to exist why be jealous? You can't be jealous of nothing
The Deuteronomy and Exodus quotations that you posted are nothing more than a desperate attempt by the Bible's authors to force people to follow Yaweh - reinforcing with carrot and stick. A real god wouldn't need to threaten or frighten people into following him. A real god would be followed for his own sake.
Literalists never take into account history. Even the Bible itself tells you time and time and time again that the Jews went off to worship their other gods. Open near enough any book and there's a guy who has buggered off and is following another deity.
Historically, it's astounding that the literalists refuse to acknowledge the pagan origins of Judaism - even though the Bible itself refers to paganism countless times.
The "before" that you are so adamant means "other than" probably refers to this.
To God? Or to Yaweh? To Yaweh and the authors of the Bible they obviously are gods. They're seen as deities and deemed to be enough of a threat to the tribal god so that the followers of the fledgeling religion have to be reminded not to follow them. If they weren't viewed as gods, they wouldn't warrant a mention would they?
But to the real god? I really don't think that he would give a crap. He knows that he's the only God. I don't believe that he needs to frighten his worshippers into following him.
Originally posted by Raphael_UO
First, my argument is that God never said it was OK to worship other Gods.
Second, it's apparent you've never had a jealous girlfriend, else you would realize they can be jealous of nothing.
I believe you said you were a Christian. So let me ask you, what happens to someone who isn't saved?
Did I say men did not worship other gods? I said to God, they are not gods. To God, they are slightly bigger grains of sand on a beach.
You are aware that Jesus was a Jew, right?
Read what I wrote in that post again.
God recognizes that men worship other gods. One cannot tell someone something is wrong unless it is mentioned. To God, they are not gods. To men, they seem to be.
Yes yes, I see your point no need to mention other gods if you are the only one. Oh wait, no I don't.
Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.
Originally posted by Leveller
Actually, I'm married. But I digress.
Comparing God to a jealous girlfriend is reaching a bit dontcha think? In fact isn't giving God human characteristics a bit of a silly thing to do?
Who said I'm a Christian? Check again. The question is therefore irrelevant.
Ah. He told you that did he? If they aren't gods and they're worth so little then why is Yaweh so jealous and afraid of them then? Why does he attend the council of Gods in the Psalm I posted previously?
You are aware that Jew is an all-encompassing term for literally hundereds of sects back then, right? You are aware that Jesus was condemned by the Jewish mainstream, right?
Read it. Refuted it.
Not once does Yaweh refer to them as false gods. What he does do though (as I've already pointed out before) is display fear of them.
Thanks for the fundamentalist quote. I'll file it under "BS" with all of the other religious freakery.
Incidentally - no man can serve two masters? How about a religion? Oops... El and Yaweh. Hmm. I wonder..... did Moses hate the Canaanite god? Yaweh was certainly made to say that he did, didn't he?
Originally posted by Leveller
I've read the Bible over and over again.
What I am referring to is in the bloody Bible!!!!
Abraham's god was El.
Mose's god was Yaweh.
Which bit of that don't you understand?
If you're trying to tell me that El is Yaweh then you are sadly mistaken. I have give you enough links to show you that El was a Canaanite god. Abraham even named one of his sons after him - Ishma-El.
Heck. Let's not even mention Isra-El shall we? Or the tower of Bab-El. Or Gabri-El. Or Emmanu-El. The list goes on.....
Originally posted by Leveller
Great. So Yaweh tells Moses that he was Abraham's god and you instantly swallow it. You ignore all of the other contradictions yet you make a massive jump in logic to swallow this one? You ignore the probability that, in the 1500 years or so that it took to compile the Bible, religion and the interpretation and identity of the Jewish god didn't change?