Iranian Naval Vessels Enter Suez Canal

And the ships sailed happily ever after, nothing happened. All the hype by the media that Iran was carrying an asteroid the size of texas ready to deploy and strike earth in a fashion similar to the one that killed the dinosaurs...nadda.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


While many on ATS are paranoid and hypercritical of the Masons, I believe you are right PT. The Masons have a proven method of deploying democracy and ensuring harmony in their brotherhood. They helped to implement and style the current form of government in the United States, and it performed very well for a couple of hundred years, but it has slowly drifted away from the principles it was founded upon.

I hope when the time finally comes, that the Masons will stick to their moral compass and step up to help rebuild and unite the communities once again.

I wish we could be more direct and more assertive in these notions, but these days you can be labelled a "domestic terrorist" for just about anything, so for now, it will have to suffice to be active politically, voice our opinions and concerns and try to educate people within our circles of friends and families. Even if we find out the Masonic fraternity is not capable, at least the brotherhood of Masons that serve as community leaders, business people, and strong-willed families can step up to fill whatever new roles arise. I hope and pray that is the case, and I hope it happens sooner rather than later.

With Proto and GetReady going on the way they are, I find it odd that I recently stumbled upon a long abandoned...Well see for yourself.

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Very strange place indeed!

Something may come out of this

Well the ships have arrived. Israel did nothing. So far.

If they are to do something they probably wait to see what's in the supply ship. They think it's arms for Hezbollah.

Iranian naval ships arrive in Syria

Two Iranian naval ships arrived Wednesday afternoon at the Port of Lattakia in Syria, after crossing the Suez Canal Tuesday, Iranian news agency IRNA reported.

The source noted that the ships' arrival will be marked by a special ceremony at the port, which will be attended by officials from both countries.

The delegation is scheduled to stay in Syria for "a short time", and will then continue sailing in the Mediterranean Sea, the source noted.

Just going around in the Mediterranean Sea... for a year? Please tell me there's not another ``Gaza flotilla`` planned and that Iran will escort it... please...


Oh wait...
New flotilla for Gaza on deadly raid anniversary

A new flotilla of ships will try to reach Gaza at the end of May to mark the first anniversary of deadly Israeli raid against a similar convoy that killed nine Turkish activists, organisers said Monday.

Wouldn't surprise me if Iran sends it's frigate to escort it...

reply to post by Vitchilo

Well the ships have arrived. Israel did nothing. So far.

Thanks for keeping us informed. I think many of us will be relieved that this didn't result in any kind of incident.


reply to post by FarArcher

I'd guess that the US will stop and inspect those ships to ensure they are not shipping prohibited items of war, and this will leave Israel out of it, specifically to prevent overreaction by the Israelis.

Would you like some more guesses FarArcher.

By the way in all fairness your short recital of the kind of games navies play with one another was a good read.

Whether those harassing tactics were used or not, and whether the Iranian Captains met there challenges or not is something that we can in fact only guess at presently.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Some people love to fantasize about how their favorite hero will take on the audacious peasant who dares poke his head out from under his rock. How dare them. They take guesses at how their hero will play games as if human life is nothing more than an afterthought.

Can you imagine being in a situation like the one brainless boy has relayed for us? Can you imagine doing that to someone else? That is twisted. Which is why I brought up the USS Liberty. I'm sure the Navy that perpetrated that horrific event laughed well into the night about the terror on those sailors faces! Yes they took care of them didn't they?

I cannot believe that someone can actually have the absolute lack of humanity to lay out a fantasy such as the one we have had the pleasure to ingest. To seriously guess about how people will lose their lives and be happy about it. Incredible.

The Liberty was in the wrong place, wasn't monitoring the correct channel when inquiries were made, and it appears the result of a number of errors on both sides.

Now that is odd because I could have swore you said that the US Navy can do whatever it wants and where it wants because they call the shots and have the UN resolutions. I know, maybe back then there were no UN resolutions giving the US Navy total control over the open oceans of the world.

Any day the US Navy decides someone is going to be "channeled" somewhere, they're channeled. Any day the US Navy decides that someone is going to be inspected, they're going to be inspected.

I believe everyone here will shortly learn that there will be no sever repercussions to Irans move. There reason being this is a 'chess piece' move. This is all about mind games.

reply to post by jackflap


There is in fact so much evidence from survivors from both the Liberty and Israeli Forces, that clearly indicate that the Israeli Pilots knew they were attacking an American ship. Including the heroic efforts to hoist a larger flag, while enduring machine gun, napalm and torpedo attacks.

Sailors were murdered in cold blood in their life rafts, much the same way Egyptian soldiers who were surrendering were murdered in cold blood in the Sinai.

President Johnson, the Joint Cheif of Staff, the Admiral of the Carrier Group were all aware it was the Israelis attacking in unmarked French Mirage Jets meant to appear to be Egyptian in a classic false flag to draw America into the war.

Israeli fighter pilots radioing Tel Aviv clearly stated it was an American Vessel and were told if they broke off their attack they would be Court Martialed.

These are all well established facts from survivor accounts, and while Johnson was as guilty as the Israelis and they clearly both hoped the ship would be sunk and all hands on board lost as Dead Men Tell no tales, our dubious friend Fararcher clearly is telling tales when it comes to his near criminal version of events.

I do declare sometimes these propaganda wars are every bit as disgusting as the ones fought with guns and bullets.

I have witnessed some people sink to some new lows in this thread I didn't even dream they were capable of.

It really makes one wonder if mommy and daddy just didn't hug someone enough, or if some human beings desire to be beyond redemption.

Thanks for sharing that sordid bit of history my friend.

Well it looks like this has spiraled into one gigantic NON-EVENT!!!! I hate to say i told you so, but........

reply to post by dukeofjive


Whatever was said, Zion! Israel! Irans Leadership wanted to wipe a Nation of people off the map, which includes the Palestinians who live there. Not a very nice comment. I'm certainly not an Israeli apologist, they've made some serious mistakes of late, but Irans leadership are equally as deranged and narrowminded as the Israeli leadership. My original point was, in simple terms, when you have two idiots arguing about who is right and who and has the biggest c*ck, it's hard to find any allegiance toward either moron in this debate, and use the term debate loosely :-)

reply to post by Tephra


I'm simply trying to point out that both Nations are run by Xenophobic idiots, and have no interest in getting along, I'm not taking sides, I think both countries Governments, Israel and Iran, are an embarrassment to their people.

Originally posted by Shminkee Pinkee
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Whatever was said, Zion! Israel! Irans Leadership wanted to wipe a Nation of people off the map, which includes the Palestinians who live there. Not a very nice comment. I'm certainly not an Israeli apologist, they've made some serious mistakes of late, but Irans leadership are equally as deranged and narrowminded as the Israeli leadership. My original point was, in simple terms, when you have two idiots arguing about who is right and who and has the biggest c*ck, it's hard to find any allegiance toward either moron in this debate, and use the term debate loosely :-)

you should know that the "wipe israel of the map" was mistranslated to mislead the masses. next time do some research before claiming something.

the true translation was, wipe zionists off the page of history. zionists have caused nothing but suffering to the jews and the rest of the world, we should wipe them off. for example george bush is a zionist.

reply to post by RizeorDie


People keep coming back to that singular statement, but there have been multiple times they have alluded to the fact that Israel doesn't deserve to exist as a state. In fact, most of the Middle East feels the same way. It is no secret, or mistranslation that the State of Israel is hated in the region. This doesn't mean they intend a genocide against all Jews, maybe some do have that sentiment, but the key argument is that they want the Israeli government destroyed and the land returned to the Palestinians.

So YES, Iran does want to see Israel wiped off the map, all of the Middle East wants to see Israel wiped off the map, and replaced with the pre-1948 map that did not include a "Israel" on it!

reply to post by getreadyalready


In reality my friend, the people, that is the average person on the street in most Arab nations, engaged in that ages old religious division would likely like to see Israel destoyed.

However the leadership of the oil producing companies are no dumbies, and they realize that they benefit immensely from the tension that turned oil and gasoline from a cheap pennies per gallon commodity up until the First and Second Arab Oil Embargos of the 1970's into something that right now sells for 100.00 plus a barrel and a gallon at the pump as much as 4.00 instead of the average .18 cents it was.

Every time someone in Israel or Iran comes out and rattles sabres for the press the price shoots back up higher, so most Arab leaders of oil producing nations only go so far as to posture through funding some splinter groups so they can maintain some credibility with their deeply religious and much poorer populations who often have nothing but religion to sustain them, that Israel's existence is an afront to God or the Palestinians.

So in other words the leaders of the oil producing Arab nations all profit all the way to the bank because of the tension Israel creates.

As do all the oil companies. It's why Israel is funded and armed out the wing wang.

It's real good for the oil business, and I think you now know after watching BP sink a huge amount of oil into the Gulf of Mexico with dangerous toxic chemicals that there is nothing that the Oil Companies won't stoop too that's good for business.

When Israel was first founded, CIA papers now available under the Freedom of Information Act clearly display a hostile relationship between the U.S. and the fledgling Israeli State between 1946 to 1952.

The concern was what it might do to distrubt the flow of oil, and Israel was considered to be our number one threat to a prosperous America run on cheap oil.

Right around the time of Operation Ajax the installation of the pro-West Shah of Iran we suddenly overnight did a huge about face where the security of Israel became our national priority.

So in other words once a Persian, non-Arab source of oil to run our mechanized infrastructure was obtained, we realized a benefit to driving up the price of oil through supporting Israel and the conflict Israel created of by and large European Refugees stealing a piece of land they held no title or legal claim too began to cause jitters in the oil markets.

When I say we, I mean Esso, Gulf Western, Shell, BP, Texaco and Sunoco.

Around the same period the Arab oil fields began nationalizing and getting much larger percentages of the profit.

Originally the 7 big oil companies set the price at the source, with the Arabs getting on average 8 to 10% per barrel so the lower the oil companies fixed the price at the source the less amount of money the Arab owners would actually get.

However by the 1970's most of those old sweet heart deals were gone and when OPEC was formed on the heals of the Second Arab Oil Embargo, oil became a spot market commidity where the market, supply and demand determined the price, and not the Oil companies themselves.

The Arabs started getting a lot richer, and yeah they figured out the more tension with Israel the more money they make in jittery markets.

In reality there has been no significant attack on Israel in almost 40 years now, accept by the groups in Palestine who's lands are constantly being stollen through a slow war of attrition meant to cause instability and create a profit, or in cases where they have grabbed buffer zones in other countries like Lebanon where splinter groups like Hezbollah have worked to drive them back out, and harrass them from time to time to try to keep them from expanding their borders.

The truth is the average Israeli hates Muslims with a passion, the average Muslim hates Israelis with a passion.

That has as much to do with their religions (both sides) than it does to do with Palestinian issues.

The leaders have to pay lip service to it, but the truth is any combination of three large Arab States could destroy Israel, the CIA presumed the only large Arab State with a leader who might try would be Saddam Hussein hence the multiple accidents Iraq has had over the last 20 plus years.

With out a Saudi Arabia, Egypt or Iraq stepping in to lead such an assault the smaller nations won't join in.

Egypt was bought off at Camp David, the Saudis make too much money off of Israel, and Saddam Hussein has been removed after destroying the Middle East's largest army piece meal through proxy wars with Iran, multiple military actions and embargos.

The good news is we all live in a world where the will of the people is ignored by it's governments, the bad news is we all live in a world where the will of the people is ignored by it's governments.

Yet the truth remains that Israel has broken every accord it ever signed from the British Mandate on and conspired constantly to do so, and it's made up primarily of European Refugees and economic Refugees from the old Soviet Bloc.

The 10,000 some odd Jews who never went into Diaspora got along with the Arabs for the better part of 2,000 years.

Don't even get me started on the manipulations of the Balfour Declaration in World War I and the bankers who manipulated the war to get the Balfour Declaration and set the stage though their shennanigans to bankrupt both Germany and the United States.

Israel is bad news period, and in reality most of the worlds Jews don't want to live there because only their Messiah can lead them back there.

Miami Beach where I live is full of illegal Israeli immigrants who come over on Tourist Visas and never want to go back to the place, they will more or less do anything not too, which is why just to keep it running they have to allow multiple citizenship.

So we get creeps like Chertoff and Rahm Emanuel too high up in our government that manipulate the phony war on terror to help our own government strip Americans of their rights and freedoms so if we ever wake up from the ether and the propaganda there is little we can do to undo this mess.

It was a sad day for peace and the people of the world when the International Banking Cartel restablished Israel, not God, and they have been making money off of the turmoil it's caused ever since, and we have all been paying for it ever since.

Yet amazingly the propaganda is so good that Americans don't even blink an eye at having the nation with one of the highest per capita income levels in the world, being the number one recipient of American financial aide.

Politically correct is in fact not correct, and a real review of history and the real players pretty much displays why.

reply to post by RizeorDie


Just because you disagree with something, it doesn't give you the right to 'wipe ' them from history or off the map, that's just wrong in my book, that would also apply had the Israeli Prime Minister had said the same thing about Iran. You can try and defend and justify comments like that if you want, I really don't care, the point I was trying to make, with great difficulty it would seem, is that no-one is innocent in this and no-one has the moral high ground, why don't YOU read what people write, before you make rude comments and assumptions. Both countries Governments are full of Odious little men on power trips who believe that their way is best and quite frankly both are blinded by hatred for each other.