It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.

Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.

Thank you.

 

Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.

 

Exclusive: Troopers would 'absolutely' use force on Wisc. protesters if ordered, police union presid

page: 4
25
<< 1  2  3   >>

log in

join
share:

posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 03:24 AM
link   
reply to post by rebeldog
 


Untrained civilians like the Afghanis?




posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 03:59 AM
link   
reply to post by FrancoUn-American
 


Do you realize one of the benefits to the Iraq/Afghan conflicts are urban-trained, combat ready troops? Guess what, nothing like mind-numb robots coming home from war, in need of a job... Hey the local police are hiring, and we'd like you to crush the skulls of your fellow Americans. Any problem with that?

HOPE TO GOD, these brave men and women return do have a problem with that and DO NOT OBEY unconstitutional orders, such as brutalizing peaceful protesters. They do it all the time in D.C. so why not the heartland.... coming to a city near you- NAZIs under the guise of a tin badge.

Men and women in law enforcement you need to take the oath. You are as brave as the Libyan air force officers who refused to air raid their fellow citizens aren't you? They flew right out of the country. What will you do when you moral compass is challenged by some deucsh bag superior who wants to keep his job and loves hurting his fellow citizen?

SHAMEFUL.

Here's what's behind it all: www.youtube.com...



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:06 AM
link   
Research the "Oathkeepers" . They formed after the illegal seizures of firearms from innocent citizens of New Orleans during Katrina . They have sworn an oath to never violate the civil liberties and constitutional rights of anyone and never obey any illegal or morally reprehensable order . They will never fire on citizens and always uphold the constitution . They are mostly military and police but the bad news is , out of all the police and all of the military there are only 2,000 Oathkeeps and almost half are retired . Police and military looks upon them as malitia type nut jobs who may not obey orders when the crunch comes so they get no promotions and are watched constantly and they are not lunatic fringe . For 60 grand per year , full benefits and a full pension 99.9% of the cops out there will violate your civil liberties and constitutional rights in a heat beat if the SHTF . They lose all of that if they refuse to obey orders and the next back up is , i was only following orders , which was the Nazi defense at the Nuremburg war crimes trials , and we hanged those Nazis . Some of Americas greatest war hero Generals were involved in the attack on 15,000 world war 1 veteran protestors who camped outside of Washington DC demanding their back pay , before WW11 . Patton lead the cavalry charge while Eisenhower commanded infantry and the machineguns . The 15,000 protestors were declared communists as soon as they asked for their full pay and the army took care of the problem . Anyones guess how many were killed as it was mostly scrubbed from history but various websites give various amounts of the killed and wounded , but all guessing . Most of the armed forces would do the same thing right now under orders .



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:12 AM
link   
i work in a trademark government building surrounded by military police with high powered rifles 24 hours a day & there is NO dount in my mind that they would open fire on anyone given the appriopriate order



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 05:51 AM
link   
Wonder if the cop would feel this way if it were his union they were trying to bust.



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 07:09 AM
link   
reply to post by bandito
 


The OathKeepers are a great organization, though I think you may be looking at this from the wrong angle. Before the American government takes on or takes out its own citizens, it firsts demonizes them and indoctrinates the rest of the country along those lines. We can even see this on a small scale today with drug users or other "criminals" guilty of politicial crimes (crimes that don't produce a victim) or even the magic term "terrorism". If the government deems someone a terrorist or criminal, they could be hung from a pole in central square without so much as people batting an eye.

Put yourself in the shoes of the police. Would you fire on a group of citizens exercizing their right to protest? Surely not! However, would you fire on a group of terrorists hell bent on taking over the capital to impose their will on everyone else? Sadly, most of the sheeple would answer "no" to the former and "yes" to the latter, eventhough it would be the same group of people.


--airspoon



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 08:14 AM
link   
airspoon you are 100% right



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 10:26 PM
link   
reply to post by FrancoUn-American
 


to compare the afghans to joe six pack, really? the AFGHANS are raise as warriors been fighting for decades. they are given ak-47's at 8 years old, when american kids are given transformers or an xbox

apparently you are uneducated on the history of afghanistan..

you obviously have no clue, sorry........



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 10:32 PM
link   
Sounds like the USA is almost on the par as their Middle Eastern Dictators



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 10:38 PM
link   
Welcome to the spark of the new "American Revolution" 2011 AD



posted on Feb, 22 2011 @ 10:47 PM
link   
reply to post by Skittle
 


I dont think so, many of these threads on this topic (and other topics) definitely show alot of division among the populus - the country being further divided



posted on Feb, 23 2011 @ 12:50 AM
link   

Originally posted by airspoon
reply to post by bandito
 


The OathKeepers are a great organization, though I think you may be looking at this from the wrong angle. Before the American government takes on or takes out its own citizens, it firsts demonizes them and indoctrinates the rest of the country along those lines. We can even see this on a small scale today with drug users or other "criminals" guilty of politicial crimes (crimes that don't produce a victim) or even the magic term "terrorism". If the government deems someone a terrorist or criminal, they could be hung from a pole in central square without so much as people batting an eye.

Put yourself in the shoes of the police. Would you fire on a group of citizens exercizing their right to protest? Surely not! However, would you fire on a group of terrorists hell bent on taking over the capital to impose their will on everyone else? Sadly, most of the sheeple would answer "no" to the former and "yes" to the latter, eventhough it would be the same group of people.


--airspoon


You are absolutely correct. We had seen even legislators or members of the gov civil service being smeared and slime if they dare so much as to spill beans, making their words dishonourably by the presumption of acts allegedly
committed by them make them not to be trusted or believe.

We have seen this tactic used often, even by members here on ATS. But it is already long overused, as many of the awakened are learning to look beyond the smears and seek instead for the message rather than the messenger, to look at a person in the eye, who is innocent till proven guilty.

Which is why sites are ATS is important to discuss, debate and explore issues in greater depth, so that the common man may consider every angle. There is no human that can be fully brainwash. Such techniques do not exist, and not even permantly. Simply because no human is born out of a rock.

We are beings capable of emotions, and what drives us in life is our hopes and dreams, fueled by love and be loved. To have not such, would only mean a life of absolute loneliness, and no human is that capable for he is not robot built, try as he might. It is our weakness as well as our strength.

Our families play the greatest role in society, for without the family unit, there would have been no society or civilisation. We would be animals living off the wild, individually till we ceased to exist by killing one another. It is from our families that we learn emotions of love ...and hate...of what is right and what is wrong during our formative years.

We will learn new issues daily, and by what we had previously learnt, we consider, discuss and debate upon it, and will either reject or accept such thoughts provided it may help enhance or correct our ways.

Authorities may attempt to brainwash or misled the masses, but if more are drawn to read and discern, they will sooner or later discover truths and realities on their own. No mind can be owned if it refuses to be owned. We are our own man, working for the collective good, for within the 'we' is you and I, and that's how our society and mankind had survived and progress and will do so for anothe millenia.

Thus, we must always maintain contact with our fellow men, never to isolate ourselves, but to reach out to others of all kinds, to share ( not to impose for each has his free will) if we are to progress inclusively where none gets left behind beyond the lies and deceits that the control masters seek to dominate and enslave us.



new topics

top topics



 
25
<< 1  2  3   >>

log in

join