Still disagree with the war?

During the Iran/Iraq war, Iraq even was americas' tool against the Iranians who, after the islamic revolution d3eclared they would not uphold US oil price demands since interested in lower oil production so that their people could still profit from that natural resource say, in fifty years.

Shame on reagan, bush, and their infernal friends.

GET OVER IT. Ras.............!

THIS THREAD IS SOOOOO PLAYED OUT.

Originally posted by U.S. Patriot
GET OVER IT. Ras.............!

THIS THREAD IS SOOOOO PLAYED OUT.

Played out ? I think it didnt even begin !

So next on the list its Saudi Arabia, then Yemen, then Zimbabwe, then Haiti, then Somalia, then Pakistan, then Iran, then...

A despotic dictatorship isn't unique and we can't invade every country in the world. Iraq was chosen so that America could have another middle-eastern outpost.

And another thing, if Saddam can't even hit Kuwait city, how the # is he a threat to the US?

[Edited on 21-3-2003 by Fantastic_Damage]

He's a threat to our ALLIES, allies is the word for today, ok?

Israel.....for one!



[Edited on 26-3-2003 by U.S. Patriot]

Didn't Saddam agree to disarm Iraq? Didn't every nation in the UN agree that Saddam should disarm Iraq? Did Saddam just have Al Samoud missiles shot at us?

The answer to all these questions is yes.

He's a threat not because of his conventional military force but by the fact that he could easily arm a terrorist if he chose to(and to think he wouldn't be willing is utterly ridiculous).

By the way, obviously a lot of you don't believe the motivations and reasons for this war are good. But when it comes down to it, no matter what the motivations, the result will be a good thing.

Just because the US has done it's share of bad things, doesn't mean it never does good things(it does more good than any other country in the history of the world). And doesn't mean just because they've done some bad things, that you should be against everything they do(and this is a good thing). I'm glad they are doing this, they are making me a safer person.

Originally posted by U.S. Patriot

some people actually don't know who saddam is.......

They don't know cuz they don't want to know. That's the problem.

Saddam political party ( the Baas Party ) , is a socialist party. Did you ever see a socialist/liberal/leftist who wasn't standing up for a Komrade ? Even if this komrade is the most fuc* pig on earth like Stalin, Mao, Kim Il Sung or Saddam ? NEVER !

They will say/write/do anything in order to help their komrade even if their komrade is an horrible and inhumane monster.

Shouting against a nazi like Pinochet who killed some thousands of peoples, that's hip, fair and cool. Shouting against a man like Saddam or Stalin who slaughtered many million of innocent peoples, that's not moral, not cool, not hip and not fair. That's normal, after all, they are ,both of them, a bunch of happy komrades !

Hit the nail on the UP.It is a lot easier to go around blaming the US when you don't have any facts.Or when all your info comes from whatreallyhappened.com.
The fact is Saddam wasone of the meanest people to walk the earth.

Dear Lord, the liberal invasion of ATS has begun!!!. You ignorant people here posting are just liberal Clinton lovers! You will not be convinced until God himself tells you, but you are probaly too ignoarnt to belvie in God, and think you can do everything yourself. Bush is a great president as Reagan too (minus the satanic church thing). Saddam is a satanic madman, who deserves to die a thousand deaths. At least Bush is doing # about Iraq whereas Clinton did nothing.

Just a mad question, but introspectively how do Americans that post to this site see their person in this world.

Just a mad question, but introspectively how do Americans that post to this site see their person in this world.

Just a mad question, but introspectively how do Americans that post to this site see their person in this world.

And the list forgot a few more horricif crimes.

He has tortued babies wil blow torches in front of their paretents, and later shot them.

He hangs elderly women on meat hooks alive and watches them slowly die.

Hacks off men's genitals with buzzsaws, or electicutes them.

Has children's birth certificates altered so they can be killed.

Has childrens bones smashed.

Some of you anti-war people are letting a this devil get away with this sin. And it sickens me. It sickens me that some of you go far enough not to supporboys over there. May God Bless America!

that you mean, how do we see ourselves, in relation to the world community?

I think that we see ourselves as citizens of the most powerful nation in the world. Also, we believe it is the greatest place to live, and that we are founded on solid values of freedom, democracy, and justice. And that that same freedom, democracy, and justice should be enjoyed by all people. Likewise, as a "better off" citizen of the world, we see ourselves as being charitable (such as numerous loans to other nations), as well as a nation that desires to have influence in the world, and not just be a bystander in it's affairs. Many of us feel, that although not a utopia, and that we do have our problems, it's the best nation there is, and we would stand up for that statement no matter what.

I couldn't have put it any better than Gazrock, very well stated. Why did you post your question 3 times?

Not to put america down or anything cause they are my second favourite country right behind australia of course but i think the scandilism, conspiracy's e.i. drug trade through oil rigs off the coast of america, and such an unhumble showing of power can be seen as equalling the good and bad things america does, but in saying that America have a strong faith in what is right and good in the world, I just dont agree on them being so..innocent, and i know you didnt say that im just voicing my opinion. Can i just finish in saying (and im not saying this becasue i know they are the most powerful country in the world), but america and australia are seen like best mates, and if it came down to it I'd definitly defend my best mates back.

[Edited on 3/23/2003 by Lakini]

Originally posted by Gazrok
we see ourselves as citizens of the most powerful nation in the world. Also, we believe it is the greatest place to live, and that we are founded on solid values of freedom, democracy, and justice. And that that same freedom, democracy, and justice should be enjoyed by all people.

Okay, time out. I usually don't get so pissed over a topic, but now I just can't help myself.
Gazrok, I am assuming you haven't been to every country in the world when I say this, so if you have, I apologize:
People (Super-Patriots as I call them) seem to think that America is the best place in the world, and it very well may be, I don't know. The problem is, these ill-informed super-patriots don't either - few of them have been outside of America, other than Mexico for vacation or Canada on occassion... few (if any) have been to EVERY country on earth, yet they seem to believe that America is the best. I find it impossible for anyone to know if America is the best unless they have experienced otherwise, in every other country... Like I said, America may very well be the greatest country, I don't know, because I haven't been to every other country...
We are NOT founded on Democracy...or if we are it's hardly detectable. We in fact live in a Republic, a Democratic form of a Republic, but a Republic nonetheless, and I wish people could realize this...
I just love conversations like: "America is a great Democracy." "Actually, we're a Republic." "No, we're not." "Look up the damn term for Democracy, and the damn term for Republic...tell me, which do we live in?"
Jeezuz....

Why would you get mad because people say we live in the greatest country on earth? It's called likeing where you live. It's like being the fan of a sports team and saying 'we're #1' when in fact you might have the 7th best team in the league.

I try not to get mad...of course, I fail miserably. The "we're #1" analogy is a good one, to an extent; however, those chanting "we're #1" also usually know that they usually aren't number one...whereas super-patriots not only believe they are, they label anyone who disagrees as a "Saddam Sympathizer" or "Unamerican". Whether right or wrong, if you disagree with America at all, you're a bad, bad person.
"Love it or leave it." Why not change it?? Oh...that's right... we're America...we don't change unless it suits the government, not the people... (I thought the government WAS the people..) humm..
I'm done with my soapbox.....