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Originally posted by MikeNice81
reply to post by ker2010
A punch to the nose should not be met with gun fire. In almost every state that would be murder. Repeatedly getting kicked in the head can very well justify lethal force in many states. The potential for brain damage and death are severe enough to warant extreme measures.
You are right though a gun is nothing to brag about. Owning a gun should be like training in martial arts. It should be something you do with the intention of protecting your life and the lives of others. It isn't something you broadcast to the world in hopes of intimidating others or to stroke your ego.
Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by macman
Yep and when you go to prison where their are NO guns we will see how long you last
Originally posted by Golf66
Some of these comments are surprising to say the least.
I don't fist fight nor do I get into confrontations - I use words to deescalate them and have never had to use my weapon (I have CCW permit) to resolve an issue. I'll do a lot even say - "yeah you are too much man for me", "you are right I'm a pussy", etc. I don't care if a dip # who wants to relive his glory days of high school wants to scrap... I have nothing to prove to anyone.
If you are getting into fist fights after the age of 15 you have issues plain and simple.
That said; if someone regardless of his size assaults me I am going to assume that he intends to kill me and he had better hope he does before I can get my weapon out and shoot him. I don't have time to determine if the guy is the incarnation of chuck Norris or Jacky Chan nor am I going to wait till it's too late to figure that out.
I am going to reduce the threat to the lowest possible level as quickly as possible which is to say have the enemy laying prone and bleeding uncontrollably.
There are no "playground rules" for honor for adults in a fight - I don't and won't "fight" someone for some kind of badge of manliness - I only reduce threats.
You can tout your manliness all you want but having been in SF for most of my military career I can tell you this; he who fights fair fights no more....
I learned some unarmed stuff but I will never use it unless I am naked in an empty room because the first rule of hand to hand is to remember almost anything is harder than your hand.
I have never had the occasion to "tussle" with another grown man outside of combat for any reason since I was about 15 years old. I did take knife from a PDF guy at a roadblock during Just Cause but that was after he'd been shot so he wasn't much of a fight at all - couple jabs to the leg wound and he surrendered pretty quick.
So once a person raises a hand to me he will get a face full of .45 and a warning – once… I’m going to ask him if he wants to fight me or kill me…
First I'll laugh and explain fighting is for the playground - and that I haven't fought a man since I was 15 years old. Then I'll advise him to not bringing his fist or a knife to a gun fight is not a smart move...and go from there
If he says he wants to kill me I’ll take him at his word and assume he can do it and blow him away.
I'll fire a warning shot if he advances...into the ground so it can be recovered for evidence.
Then he gets the .45 in the face with the "look at me - you think I won't?" "You won't be the first..."
edit on 22/2/2011 by Golf66 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ker2010If your waving your gun around thinking it makes you look cool after 15 you have issues as well buddy.
Originally posted by ker2010You dont realize your not the only one who owns a gun and if my goal is to kill you ill shoot you in the back before you even have time to draw your weapon. After all their is no honor or fair fights right? So ill just shoot you when you turn to walk away
Originally posted by ker2010 How many everyday normal people or trained mma fights go out looking to beat someone up? None that I know of.. I dont think you guys have to worry about a Brock Lesnar or Bas Rutten starting a fight with you.
Originally posted by ker2010 My point is if me and you are standing in line and I think you broke in front of me. You say differently and we started to tussle, what are you gonna do?
Originally posted by ker2010Pull out your gun and shoot me ? End up in prison for shooting a unarmed man then we will see how tough you are with no gun being Tyrone's little b*&^% the rest of your life.
Originally posted by Xcellante
I agree. I for one never understood this whole gun thing anyway.
I would like to think I'm more unpredictable and probably a bit more dangerous than those with guns.
Growing up here in Northern Ireland, we were brought up to believe those who wield a gun are cowards! Never fear the gun. Just the moron behind it. And like any moron you can out-think, out-wit easily. The last time someone pulled a gun on me was rushed to hospital with 3rd degree burns to their face and neck. Wonderful things aerosol cans and lighters
There are plenty of ways to incapacitate any asailant with a gun. You just have to be inventive! Think of it... By the time they cock the hammer, aim, squeeze... That gives you roughly 3.688 seconds to do what you need to do to get out of the situation. Provided you don't freeze like a statue and poop your pants!
Originally posted by Quasar_La-Zar
That said I always carry pocket knives now
Originally posted by ker2010
reply to post by macman
Ok let me rephrase that, said teenager is packing and shoots unarmed teenager when they get in altercation... thats what you guys seem to be justifying
A) I try to rob you (gun justified)
B) I come at you with a deadly weapon knife, bat, gun etc (gun justified)
C) Multiple attackers coming at you from all sides (gun justified)
D) Big crazed 250 lb drugged up man beating you within a inch of your life, can tell he is trying to kill you, you fear death (gun justified)
E) Road rage incident, breaking in line etc. We argue and start to fight. Its just a fist fight. You pull out gun and shoot me.. (Not justified)
I think the laws in most states would agree too.edit on 22-2-2011 by ker2010 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by ZindoDoone
reply to post by orangetom1999
Well said and actually the reasons for English Common laws of self protection when first written! They of course were the basis for the Second Amendment as to protection of self and country! The English have since done their best to destroy these principles!
Several here are talking about Men versus Men who are basically healthy! They ignore the dangerous multiplying aspect of having children with you or your wife with you should you come into contact with more than one perpetrator. The danger to you and your loved ones increases when you must protect from or meet more than one attacker. Macho has not one whit to do with ability in these situations. It is the brain and your maturity and training that has a chance to get an end result that gives you back your liberty! A firearm, legally carried, is the only answer. Remember when seconds count, the police are minutes away! (sometimes hours)