Parents who smoke should be found unfit to be parents...

reply to post by DevolutionEvolvd


I think you've watched one too many anti smoking adverts. That's the thing with them. They're designed to strike fear in you. It's a lot like propaganda.

Anyway...

I couldn't care less what your afraid off. That's your problem. And if you choose not to smoke than that's totally fine with me. But when I choose to smoke I'd hope you'd have the decency to respect my choice and not hassle me about it. I know the risks. I gets thrown in my face on daily basis thanks to certain fanatics.

I don't need you to preach to me or enlighten me about how unhealthy smoking is. It stands written in BOLD LETTERS on every packet of smokes.

As for death. We are all going to die at some point or another. U cannot escape it. One day when you grow old you'll become a burden to your family whether you've smoked or not.

We all have 100 years or less to live our lives. I'm going to enjoy it with a smoke between my lips whether you like it or not. Life is shorter than we expect and no matter how much we prepare for the unexpected the unexpected will always happen. It's inevitable.

I understand the consequences. But no one give you the right to make my choices in life. I'm the pilot and I choose where this plane is going. Not you.

There's more risks to child health than a parent smoking now days. He could get shot, bullied, become suicidal, join the army and come back with one leg, the world could end...

I'd advice you to concentrate on the bigger issues. Smokers know what they're doing. They understand the risks.

As for their bad habits affecting their parenting skills? That's total BS.

Yup I agree I have a friend who is 25 and smokes right next to her 2 month old. She seems to think that having a candle lit (which is probably no better on the lungs) makes it ok and having the windows down in the car is fine. If you can smell it, its there...Also, smoking in your bedroom then comming out leaving the bedroom door open, keep the door shut! The smoke comes right back out. I love her but she makes such dumb*** decisions sometimes.

Originally posted by innervision0730
Yup I agree

I have a friend who is 25 and smokes right next to her 2 month old. She seems to think that having a candle lit (which is probably no better on the lungs) makes it ok and having the windows down in the car is fine. If you can smell it, its there...Also, smoking in your bedroom then comming out leaving the bedroom door open, keep the door shut! The smoke comes right back out. I love her but she makes such dumb*** decisions sometimes.

and, for that, you'd take her child away from her?

I wouldn't consider you much of a friend if I were her.

reply to post by sstark


Ummm what?? Where did I say I took her child away? lol

Originally posted by innervision0730
reply to post by sstark

 

Ummm what?? Where did I say I took her child away? lol

That's the whole point of this thread. You said you completely agreed with the OP.

you dont have to smoke around your kids you know. go outside, dont smoke inside. tell them to keep away when you are smoking and why you tell them this. if your urges are so powerfull that you must expose your child to your smoke multiple times a day, then you are very weak minded. thats just how i feel. it's not a hard thing to do, when you around a non smokers house you go outside. dont you

reply to post by sstark


Yeah I agree on the consequences of smoking near kids. Which is why I quit 5 years ago..

Originally posted by Zaanny
Oh and I PAY for my 10,000 dollar a year insurance too.

Heh heh heh Could that be commentary on universal health care?

reply to post by innervision0730


so you're saying smoking near kids makes you an 'unfit parent'. When someone is classified as unfit, their children are stripped from their homes and re-located to either family or foster care. This costs a lot of money to maintain, money from your taxes.

Not only would this decision take your friend's child away and ruin your relationship, but would also have you help pay for forcing the child to live in a broken home.

Just live with the smoke.

You know how many carcinogens and poisons are in Car Exhaust? Parents who drive vehicles should be unfit parents. People who work at smelting plants and coal burning facilities should loose their kids too. My parents drank alcahol when I was growing up, obviously unfit parents as well.
Do you know how utterly ridiculous the premise of this thread is?

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Wait a minute. Are you God?

Actually, now that you mention it...

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Holy crap. I didn't think that Sherlock Holmes was God.

I didn't think that TarzanBeta was God.

In fact, I thought the current ''in thing'' was to believe that we are all God.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
Are you joking me? Who are you serving and why are you serving them?

What ?!

Just because I have a contrasting viewpoint to yours, doesn't mean that I've got some kind of nefarious motivation, nor does it imply that I'm doing someone else's bidding !

Get a grip, man.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
If you think that serving people is an obligation, then you are mad!

I don't think that it's an obligation, I think that it's a responsibility.

Just as it's a responsibility for parents to make sure that they do not smoke anywhere near their children, and, if they are incapable of curtailing their habits when in the presence of their children, then they need to have their children taken off them for the children's personal safety.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
FREEDOM is a CHOICE because when people do "the right thing" only because they are told to, they are USELESS Human beings.

You are letting your personal, emotional rhetoric cloud any kind of logical appraisal of the issue.

Human society is based upon a set of social and cultural norms. The only way that we can change society for the better is to create an additional set of social taboos, only this time, rather than being based upon previous cultural and religious traditions, we can generate the new taboos through a mixture of logic/reason and empathy/compassion.

The libertarian fanatics and über-constitutionalists are espousing an anachronistic philosophy that was formulated in the days when people who ''owned'' another human being as property wasn't considered as a social taboo.

A time that preceded major technological, philosophical and social advancements in the Western world; advancements that would have contributed to a far better, logical, update of the Bill of Rights.

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
When people do "the right thing" because they CHOOSE to, then they are a beautiful human being.

How about a beautiful human being that has no choice in filling his/her lungs with the toxic fumes of their parent's drug of choice ?

Originally posted by TarzanBeta
That is why freedom matters, lord Sherlock.

Freedom matters.

Just not the warped view of ''freedom'' that is expressed by those who hold onto a 300-year-old ''prehistoric'' document as the definitive arbiter of ''freedom''.

People have a right to be imperfect as parents, and children have a right to remain with their imperfect parents.
Why? Because they love them. No foster home in the world can replace that.

Sure, the line has to be drawn somewhere, but this ain't it. In fact, the very idea of it is ludicrous.

Interesting....however...Vaccines are doing far more damage to Children than cigarettes. 60 years ago people didn't know about the dangers of cigarettes, but now we have won the war of information against the corporations. With vaccines the people are losing the war of information badly! Any of you who strongly disagree on the vaccine issue, try to remember what happened with cigarettes and use that to keep your mind open and research. It's a war of information and you're being programmed to make the Pharms money at the expense of your pocket and your child's (or your) health

Cigarettes don't put kids in Special School. Cigarettes are bad, but the war of information has other greater priority battles right now!

While I don't smoke my cigars around my kids, I also think the governement should stay outa my life and statements like the OP should mind there own business. How can you say you did it for however many years but then turn around say you quit and tell everybody else it is wrong are you willing to give up seeing your kids for the rest of your life, because that is what you are asking other people to go through by having the state declare them unfit parents.

Originally posted by mizbeach40
reply to post by JaxonRoberts

 

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The types of parents that should be deemed unfit are the ones that are unloving and abusive.

agreed!!!!!!

reply to post by JaxonRoberts


Absolutely, and fat parents should be found to be unfit also, and too skinny, and ugly, and alcohol drinkers, left handed....

Whats wrong with just NOT smoking around the kids. You know, kinda like keep the porn away (this means that dildo or vibrator you try to pass off as a massager Moms!!) from the kids.

Don't smoke in front or around them. Period.

Don't drink in front of them either, or stuff your face with Mcfries........ sorry, got carried away!

And smoking in a car with kids, you should go to jail. Period.

reply to post by sstark


I understand what your saying and I guess I missed the part where he said taking kids away. To get things straight, I was just implying ciggs are bad and parents should not smoke around them. No I dont think kids should be taking away but it still is sick that parents dont give a S*** about the health of their kids. I know everything they eat and breathe is bad but it's still contributing.

Originally posted by Signals
OK Jax, I'll bite...

If I didn't know you better I'd swear you were a Tool of the NWO

Let's just say your suggestion comes to pass. Where do we get the money to pay for all new CPS workers and facilities to steal all these children from their families? That's a lot of bread Bro because it's gonna be a bunch of kids we'll need to place in "safer non-smoking environments"

I'm surprised you're so anti-tobacco, Jesus smoked Chesterfields.

Not to mention purchasing all the psychiatrists, psyhoactive medications, foster homes, group homes, hospitalizations, and mental health therapists needed to treat these children's emotional traumas as they were ripped away screaming from the parents they love and who love them.

Utter nonsense. Thank God we have courts.

reply to post by TheRedneck


Could explain why, as stated in one of my posts, my mom's asthma (that she had since birth) got far worse AFTER she quit smoking. MAYBE the tabacco smoke was keeping her lung tissue from inflaming thereby avoiding an attack.

While I don't approve of pregnant mommies smoking, the whole taking children away from their parents and putting them in foster homes really smacks of Socialism/communism, where the State is Supreme and trumps parental rights. Same goes with Hillary's UN style Rights of Children. Then we have the First Lady declaring war on Happy Meals because it may make people gain weight. Where do we draw the line on this controlling behavior? To Marxists, the State rules everything, the State owns our children. It is only in the past century we have had the system in place to have do gooders going around snatching children out of their homes and often based on hearsay or other circumstances. Here is some good commentary of the Marxist plot to destroy the family unit and replace parental authority with that of the (communist) State:" But Foster didn’t stop there. As to those “other features of the bourgeois ideology” that were to be ‘cleansed’ the traditional family topped the list. Recall, if you will, communism founder Karl Marx bragging that he and his comrades would “Abolish the family!” Why? Because the traditional family was the transmission belt of christian and capitalist values. Plain and simple. The traditional family had to go; and with it home schools, private schools, and old-styled public schools where parents were the employers, the curriculum chiefs, the bosses over the neighborhood school. (3)"
The article includes a segment of the actual Communist Manifesto on the subject:
“The bourgeois claptrap about the family and education, about the hallowed co-relation of parent and child … [is] disgusting,” Marx wrote. Marx’s plan? “We destroy the most hallowed of relations when we replace home education with social.” (4)"
www.thenewamerican.com...
Here is also commentary from the Eagle Forum on this subject of the State intruding into the family: "Monday, December 13, 2010
Government Trampling on Parents' Rights
When the liberals and the feminists, including Hillary Clinton, began saying the "village" should raise the child, most people recognized village as a metaphor for government. We're now seeing how intrusive Big Government Nannyism really is. State agencies operating under various names such as Child Protective Services have been assigned the task of protecting kids from abuse or neglect by any adults, especially by their own parents. A new study casts doubt on the value of these agencies."
blog.eagleforum.org...
This is food for thought regarding taking actions against parents who love their children but are addicted to cigarettes.
Let it be said, I would like to see a world without nicotine, but not necessarily through the liberal fascism of the Police State.





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